Jo Brand and Battery Acid
chris_bass
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What do people make of the Jo Brand joke about using battery acid instead of milkshakes, the actual quote is:
I think the mistake in the "joke" is that she said something that wasn't far fetched enough - if she had said hot lava or something obviously ridiculous it would have been an obvious joke that no one in their right mind or not could have taken as an incitement of violence.
But given the number of actual acid attacks has been increasing recently it is a reasonably real situation. and some deranged individual may think it sounds like a good idea.
that said, the type of person likely to carry out such an attack is not likely to be listening to radio 4 in the evening (probably). so the fact it has now been so widely reported has meant that far more mad/deranged/unstable individuals will have heard it. kind of the Streisand effect at it's best!
Jo Brand wrote:Well, yes I would say that but that's because certain unpleasant characters are being thrown to the fore and they're very, very easy to hate and I'm kind of thinking: 'Why bother with a milkshake when you could get some battery acid?
I think the mistake in the "joke" is that she said something that wasn't far fetched enough - if she had said hot lava or something obviously ridiculous it would have been an obvious joke that no one in their right mind or not could have taken as an incitement of violence.
But given the number of actual acid attacks has been increasing recently it is a reasonably real situation. and some deranged individual may think it sounds like a good idea.
that said, the type of person likely to carry out such an attack is not likely to be listening to radio 4 in the evening (probably). so the fact it has now been so widely reported has meant that far more mad/deranged/unstable individuals will have heard it. kind of the Streisand effect at it's best!
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I always chuckle when she does "the way to a man's heart is through his hankie pocket with a bread-knife" but chucking acid at politicians doesn't work in the same way.
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First of all there's a bit more of the quote after the battery acid bit.
"...That’s just me. I’m not going to do it. It’s purely a fantasy, but I think milkshakes are pathetic, I honestly do, sorry."
Secondly it's on a programme called Heresy, the whole premise of which is saying the unsayable.
Jokes out of context are always a tricky one, so difficult to judge without hearing the whole thing as opposed to reading an edited version.
I agree that chucking milkshake over people is pathetic, though.
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In the nazi pug case a judge ruled that context doesn't matter. If it goes to court and that was concluded again, then I guess Brand will get into trouble.
Of course, the right should stop being bloody snowflakes about things.
this. she was never funny, just really annoying. now she's just outdated and unfunny.
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Nice... would you have posted a similar comment on the Danny Baker thread?
Does anyone think some lunatic is going to do actually do it with their motive being because Jo Brand said it in a joke?
But you're not poking fun in jest are you? You're being sexist.
You should also look at getting your 'to' and 'too' sorted out
If the subject of the joke had been a black lesbian you can be sure the police would have set up a task force by now to investigate.
no the issue isnt the joke, its the double standard, say if Jim Davidson had used the same style of joke against Jess Phillips, do you think the commentariat including the MSM would have been demanding anything less than a full police investigation, prosecution and sacking from any paid work he was getting from the BBC ?
no the police shouldnt be wasting their time on this kind of thing at all, but that should apply to anyone making such styles of joke from across the entire political spectrum, people shouldnt be making judgements about whether they approve of those things just because it chimes with their own personal political outlook.
Now
Admittedly Farage is a figure who might well fear physical attack due to his politics but I would suggest his supporters are far more dangerous than his opponents and might see acid attacks as a fair reprisal for a milkshake.
So yes, I wish Jo Brand had thought twice.
The police are investigating, there's been tons of engineered social outrage...
Maybe farage could boycott the BBC if he feels this strongly about it.
It's a tricky one for the Police and the BBC after Danny Bakers faux pas.
This would be the same Farage who won brexit 'without a shot being fired' and would would 'pick up his rifle' if politicians don't deliver brexit.
Apparently that's a metaphorical bullet, and a metaphorical rifle. So perhaps when it comes to language, it's fine to talk in metaphors, but jokes are to be taken literally.
We can but hope.
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition
I think here is the problem - who gets to decide what should be left alone and what should be ok?
you seem to think that making fun of how women look is fair game - others would disagree
you don't think jokes about WW2 are not ok - some people will
we live in a time where people seem quick to take offence (often justified) but equally many people seem to get as offended by people taking offence and it escalates and then only the two ends of the spectrum end up arguing with each other.
I caught the end of the radio 4 show in question, there was a joke concerning World War 2 atrocities. It was much funnier imo, than brand's joke.
You have to remember - people are really, really, really, really stupid (some are so stupid they throw acid on people). I actually don't think it is entirely impossible that morons joking about the Jo Brand comment might finish up with "wouldn't it be funny if we.....".
Though of course the irony is that this is all far more likely since it got splashed across the front pages of the tabloids. Buried in an obscure Radio programme nobody would have noticed.
Also ironic Farage playing the "incite to violence card". He's based his career on that at least indirectly.
However I do agree with whoever made the point earlier that if this joke were made by a right leaning public figure or comedian about a left leaning politician many of the people who found it funny would find it at the very least distasteful.
There's a difference between what is acceptable amongst friends and what is acceptable on a mainstream public performance or broadcast and this probably crossed it - it's not a hanging offence though.
She would have been better to have said "...throw a bucket of piss instead of milkshake, but it would be a shame to waste a bucket of piss like that" which I personally think is funnier than the acid remark
Anyway, it's Radio 4 FFS! They think mindless, impressionable yobs listen to that? (Tory cabinet as an exception). What's said on Radio 4 Stays on Radio 4
Edit -why can't I say "piss" and it auto translates to "wee-wee"!!! Haha!!
pi$$ pi$$ piS$ pizz