What can I eat that will boost my cycling, I'm on a Low Fibre Diet..

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  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    ... not that we ever evolved to eat other animals' milk, so it seems pretty pointless to consume it anyway

    The best explanation for lactose tolerance in most adult north Europeans is that we did evolve to eat other animal's milk. As populations moved northwards being able to digest milk from our newly domesticated cattle/goats/sheep gave a survival advantage. As well as a sustained protein source the extra calcium, and the effect of lactose on calcium absorption, helped us deal with less sunlight.

    For the OP - yes, removal of dairy is often, but not always, beneficial. It doesn't cure Crohn's, which Ugo seems to be suggesting.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    Mad_Malx wrote:

    For the OP - yes, removal of dairy is often, but not always, beneficial. It doesn't cure Crohn's, which Ugo seems to be suggesting.

    I wasn't... It's part of a series of dietary and lifestyle changes aimed at clearing the symptoms. The NHS treatment alone typically doesn't go far enough... can make it manageable, but doesn't entirely clear the symptoms.
    Like all these (call it autoimmune or not) conditions, being that diabetes, Hashimoto or rheumatoid arthritis, big lifestyle changes are necessary... that includes some trial and error of course, as suggested by others.
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  • tonysj
    tonysj Posts: 391
    TwoToeBenny wrote:
    I also suffer with CD. Can I ask why they have you on low fibre diet? I've never been on a specific diet although I also have coeliac disease so no gluten. I've heard that there are people who have controlled IBD via diet but everyone is different.
    I was advised by the Endoscopist specialist who did the procedure and examined me. Prior to his advice I was basically eating healthily plenty of fruit, nuts, seeds and veg and coping very well but the Flair ups are more regular and the recovery period longer.
    I don't eat a lot of processed foods and try to cook fresh foods.
    To be honest my thinking is I will reduce the fibre I eat but still have the oaty banoffee drink and maybe substitute the flapjack for rice cakes. It may help as before I was eating a lot of the avoid foods prior to his advice..
    Ive read up on diets and it does seem the usual thing.. Everyones different and some can tolerate foods that others simply cant touch so I will have to try things and find out how I cope.
    Regards.
    T
  • tonysj
    tonysj Posts: 391
    shazzz wrote:
    I had to eat low fibre during flare ups of ulcerative colitis. Home made rice cakes for long rides - the Team Sky bacon and egg recipe was good. Bananas were also OK for me, and white bread sandwiches.
    Unfortunately trial and error is the best way to work out what is best for you - it seems to be a very individual thing.
    Thanks for the advice. I think rice cakes seem to be a way forward rather than the flapjack. Is the rice cake - team sky bacon and egg recipe on the interent?
    Trail and Error , definitely.
    Thanks
    T.
  • shazzz
    shazzz Posts: 1,077
    Just had a quick google and it was actually an Allen Lim recipe. Its on lots of websites, eg link below. Basically just mix sushi rice, scrambled egg and bacon, put in fridge to set, cut and wrap up in bite size chunks and off you go.
    I think team Sky had another rice cake recipe - also on various websites including BC and a Rapha video.

    https://www.velopress.com/sick-of-sweet ... ice-cakes/
  • zefs
    zefs Posts: 484
    You could try home made milk kefir for dairy replacement, aids digestion and helps with lactose intolerance.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    The NHS treatment alone typically doesn't go far enough... can make it manageable, but doesn't entirely clear the symptoms.
    Like all these (call it autoimmune or not) conditions, being that diabetes, Hashimoto or rheumatoid arthritis, big lifestyle changes are necessary... that includes some trial and error of course, as suggested by others.

    You still appear to be labouring under the misapprehension that Crohn's is curable - when in fact there is no known provable cure.

    And it is not a disease of the auto immune system - so your persistent referral to it as such is highly misleading.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    I wonder what defines Westernisation...
    Is it a diet rich in animal proteins and fat and low in fibre, is it consumption of processed food, is it higher consumption of alcohol (Eastern Europeans might have something to say there), is it a more sedentary lifestyle and obesity... or a combination of the above?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4020403/
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  • tonysj
    tonysj Posts: 391
    zefs wrote:
    You could try home made milk kefir for dairy replacement, aids digestion and helps with lactose intolerance.
    Zefs, I was looking at kefir but getting the grains initially seemed ok but not many places, high street, sell them. Tried to find prepackaged kefir milk but again rare to see in supermarkets other than small flavoured carton drinks.
    I've switched to Acti leaf Soya original sweetened milk for cereals and seems ok.
    I've decided after seeing my specialist IBD nurse that I will reduce my fibre intake even though she states It could cause issues of blockages....
    I'm due to have the problem 6cm narrowed intestine expanded with a balloon via a colonoscopy. Was that or surgery to remove. Didn't fancy surgery again as it all went pair shaped last time.
    Good news is I've been flare up free for a few months and my last FTP test was 294watts. Some may recall I was aiming for 300 watts this summer so getting closer ; ).
    Regards.
    T.
  • zefs
    zefs Posts: 484
    Grains can be obtained from other people that make it at home, so you could ask around. Good luck!
  • tonysj
    tonysj Posts: 391
    zefs wrote:
    Grains can be obtained from other people that make it at home, so you could ask around. Good luck!
    Thanks zefs will ask around.
    T.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Bombay mix - sounds silly but all the essentials plus tasty

    #tasty&good
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • photonic69
    photonic69 Posts: 2,977
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Bombay mix - sounds silly but all the essentials plus tasty

    #tasty&good

    Only if you take out the seeds, nuts, lentils and spices....

    Pretzels would be better.

    With my IBD I just use jelly babies, fruit pastilles and glucose energy sweets on the bike. A bit sickly but at cafe stop have toast/crumpets and Marmite instead of cake.


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  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    TwoToeBenny wrote:
    I've heard that there are people who have controlled IBD via diet but everyone is different.

    True, but the common denominator is that they are inflammatory processes. Dairy is known to promote inflammation (nothing clears acne as going dairy free), so best avoided in all cases... not that we ever evolved to eat other animals' milk, so it seems pretty pointless to consume it anyway

    you know that isn't how evolution works though, right?

    just because people do something a lot doesn't mean their ancestors are more likely to be able to in the future - unless the ones who can't do it die out.
    www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes
  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    "just because people do something a lot doesn't mean their ancestors are more likely to be able to in the future"

    I'm afraid that would require a time machine. I hope you meant descendants.

    The ability to digest dairy probably did confer an evolutionary advantage in some populations, so some of us, probably with some help from our gut microbes, have likely evolved to drink cow's milk.
  • chris_bass
    chris_bass Posts: 4,913
    keef66 wrote:
    "just because people do something a lot doesn't mean their ancestors are more likely to be able to in the future"

    I'm afraid that would require a time machine. I hope you meant descendants.

    The ability to digest dairy probably did confer an evolutionary advantage in some populations, so some of us, probably with some help from our gut microbes, have likely evolved to drink cow's milk.

    only if there was a benefit to it and the ability not to drink cows milk meant you were more likely to die/less likely to reproduce.

    you can't learn stuff through evolution - giraffes don't have long necks because they stretched them it is because the ones with longer necks better suited their environment (as a side note survival of the fittest is often misunderstood - it means survival of those best "fitted" to their environment - not necessarily the fittest in the way we mean it today i.e. biggest/fastest/strongest). in the same way if you cycle a lot it doesn't mean your son/daughter will be any better at cycling.

    sorry - i have been trying to learn a bit more about evolution recently as i realised i didn't know a lot about it - it is interesting stuff! although i still know very little about it!

    and yes - i have a time machine :D
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  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    Chris Bass wrote:
    only if there was a benefit to it and the ability not to drink cows milk meant you were more likely to die/less likely to reproduce.

    If you look at a global map of incidence of lactose intolerance there clearly was a benefit of exactly this kind in Northern Europe at some point in our evolutionary history; lactose intolerance is relatively rare here, and also less common in those parts of the world populated by European migrants. The genes conferring the ability in adults to digest dairy wouldn't have become so prevalent had the benefits not outweighed any disadvantages.

    Although today we can clearly live without it, I think dairy is off the dietary naughty step at the moment; seems it might actually confer some protection against some diseases. That might all change with the next scientific paper / review of course...
  • molteni_man
    molteni_man Posts: 472
    Hi Tony,
    I’m sorry to hear about your dietary problems.
    I suffered like you in many similar ways until I eventually got diagnosed as having full Coeliac disease after blood tests, stomach probe and also my daughter having the same condition. The reason I am posting is that there are some interesting links between the benefits of a full GF diet and those who have Crohn's.
    A note to ALL I am not trying to replace proper medical advice, but I know two people where this switch to GF made a massive difference to their livesIt is just a thought. Both people made a complete switch to a full GF diet and dealing with cross contamination etc- we have two toasters in our kitchen, one GF as an example! I was v thankful when Peroni brought out their GF beer!
    It is just a thought and from what you are saying it may be worth a trial for a few weeks- after discussion with specialist of course. I felt hugely better within a day or two and eat a fully varied diet albeit everything GF.
    I hope the spirit in which I write this comes across Tony. Good luck with trying to get this sorted. BW
  • tonysj
    tonysj Posts: 391
    Molteni Man wrote:
    Hi Tony,
    I’m sorry to hear about your dietary problems.
    I suffered like you in many similar ways until I eventually got diagnosed as having full Coeliac disease after blood tests, stomach probe and also my daughter having the same condition. The reason I am posting is that there are some interesting links between the benefits of a full GF diet and those who have Crohn's.
    A note to ALL I am not trying to replace proper medical advice, but I know two people where this switch to GF made a massive difference to their livesIt is just a thought. Both people made a complete switch to a full GF diet and dealing with cross contamination etc- we have two toasters in our kitchen, one GF as an example! I was v thankful when Peroni brought out their GF beer!
    It is just a thought and from what you are saying it may be worth a trial for a few weeks- after discussion with specialist of course. I felt hugely better within a day or two and eat a fully varied diet albeit everything GF.
    I hope the spirit in which I write this comes across Tony. Good luck with trying to get this sorted. BW[/quote
    Hi BW,
    Thanks for the info on GF diets I will look into it.
    The really, almost annoying thing is, I'm fine for 95% of the time having no issues at all as long as I'm careful with foods I know I can't tolerate.
    I'm in hospital second week in September to have a colonoscopy where they will inflate a balloon in the narrow part of my intestines which will open up the stricture to allow food to pass easier. Other option was major surgery to remove the problem part so I didn't fancy that one.
    I've never had any advice or hints towards GF diets by any of the hospital staff I've had dealings with so I will have to discuss it with them first..
    Thanks anyway.
    Regards
    Tony
  • photonic69
    photonic69 Posts: 2,977
    Molteni Man wrote:
    The reason I am posting is that there are some interesting links between the benefits of a full GF diet and those who have Crohn's.

    As part of your diagnosis for IBD they would have done various blood tests and taken biopsies from your colon during your endoscopic investigations as if you are intolerant to Gluten then the body produces antibodies and it is these that cause the symptoms.

    There may be anecdotal evidence that a GF diet "might help, but this is not based on science or advice from the GI consultants I have seen. I know this as when my symptoms first started I thought it might be a Gluten intolerance and had a lengthy discussion with the GI specialist who is treating me.

    If it does work for you then great. Do let us know if/when you try this and the effects it has. IBD is a nasty disease and it is hard enough to find a decent enough diet to control symptoms at the best of times without having to worry about the added complications of GF diets too.


    Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.

  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    Read an interesting paper a while ago. A high proportion of people who self-diagnosed as gluten intolerant and who reported feeling better on a GF diet, didn't actually suffer when given just gluten. Seems by eliminating foods containing gluten they are also massively reducing intake of fermentable sugars (FODMAPS - fermentable oligosaccharides, disaccharides, monosacchrides and polyols)

    When these same people were given food high in FODMAPS but devoid of gluten, their symptoms returned.

    Unfortunately it sound like following a low FODMAP diet is if anything trickier than a GF one, as it involves avoiding a long list of foods including onions and garlic, pulses, quite a lot of fruit and veg, wheat and rye and lactose.
    I say unfortunately because I'm certain our eldest son would benefit. When he describes the foods which cause him the abdominal bloating and cramps, they are all on the FODMAP avoid list. Getting him to even try, let alone stick to a low FODMAP diet is pretty much impossible given his hectic work and social life though
  • bikerider101
    bikerider101 Posts: 5
    I recommend taking folic acid and B5 vitamin daily for greater energy. You'll definitely notice a difference in your energy if you start taking these two every day.
  • tonysj
    tonysj Posts: 391
    bikerider101 wrote:
    I recommend taking folic acid and B5 vitamin daily for greater energy. You'll definitely notice a difference in your energy if you start taking these two every day.
    Thanks br101, I do take multi vitamins and co enzyme Q10 plus 3 monthly B12 injections. Will have a look at them.
    Quick update. I've reduced my fibre intake but still eat a reasonable amount of fibre with fruits etc.
    I'm going to post up any recipes for homemade rice cakes as my 1 and only attempt was more like a egg fried rice takeaway lol.
    Regards.
    T.

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