Discrimination Against Car Drivers
Wayne Plunger
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Have pondered this for a while. Today the police camera van was in his usual place on the 30 zone with the rear of the van facing the oncoming obviously photographing those over the speed limit.
Then along comes a motorbike fully 60/70 miles an hour but of course he has no front number plate so can get away with it.
I am surprised no "car driver action group" has never raised this with a view to getting fines overturned.
Then along comes a motorbike fully 60/70 miles an hour but of course he has no front number plate so can get away with it.
I am surprised no "car driver action group" has never raised this with a view to getting fines overturned.
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Soon your car will be limited by GPS mate so don’t worry
On another related matter, do you think a car driver is going to carry on as normal after getting a risk taking motorcyclist through their windscreen? It's more than the biker that gets affected by the lunacy of these risk taking bikers.
Having said that you're right about the statistics being worse for 4 wheeled vehicles (which probably do more miles and are greater in number which may skew figures possibly). However if there's enforcement for one type of vehicle there's no reason for enforcement to include bikes since it's cost effective to catch both of speeding or without whatever taxes they need to pay. Especially if the actions taken are the same at the same time.
I have never witnessed a m/bike doing that on the stretch here that they monitor. It would be lunacy and someone would die for sure. Cars do speed at 40 to 50 and the problem is the road can't sustain traffic at that speed because people entering from side roads or simply trying to cross on foot could not do it - they would hardly have any opportunity.
Speed is about safety but it is also about traffic flows.
Mr Bonnington Jagworth might see a perfectly straight stretch of road and think any speed is fine but in fact straight roads are often most dangerous because people do not judge oncoming vehicle speeds at all well. Nor do they factor in the unforeseeable event.
There is a POV cam of a motorcyclist going 100mph into the side of a car in exactly the situation you describe. You can hear the rider shouting "NOOO" as he sees the car pull out and knows he's going to die. Sadly the young rider was killed and his parents said they want the video to remain public to be a reminder to motorcyclists to be more careful.
Why is that relevant to whether numberplate recognition prevents speeding?
So you can drive your car like a censored with impunity? Surely you're on the wrong forum. I never understand why people complain about measures being taken to prevent people breaking the law. Speed cameras, speed limiters, whatever, they are only preventing people doing something illegal and antisocial. I suppose any measure that discriminates against one group is potentially unfair (think stop and search) and maybefront number plate recognition falls into that category if nothing is being done to target motorbikes, but surely the answer is to do something to target them as well, rather than to stop targetting cars?
The fact that someone else was speeding and didn't get caught is hardly an excuse or all speeding fines would be unenforceable.
Assuming the copper isn't welded to his seat in the van, he could always just turn around and get the number plate after the bike has passed, in fact I'm sure I have heard of that happening.
There's a B road near me that has recently gone from delimit to 40mph. I've been traveling that road for a good few years and during busy commute times you generally don't get above 40mph anyway. Outside those times, for a good proportion of the road, it's safe to run up to 50mph and beyond. Providing you drive considerately, the 40mph hard limit is (IMHO) inappropriate.
This.
They can still clock your speed with the radar/laser device then get a record of your number plate as you pass.
And the “it’s not fair” defence doesn’t even work in my house, let alone in a court.
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May not be applicable in this instance, but there is good mathematical reason behind the principle that reducing speed limits can, if done correctly, actually improve traffic flow; I think it's something to do with smaller discrepancy in speeds reduces drivers overcompensating in speed and distance between other cars.
It's width restricted - although the supermarket and home store delivery lorries seem to ignore that - except for access is supposed to mean that you can go through the width restriction IF you have business within the restricted area - not if you're just using it as a shortcut ...
It stops the accordion affect. Hence smart motorways. Apparently, on average, by following the speeds limits provided, traffic moves about 10mph faster than if there were no limits.
I used to commute that road - we had the 40mphers - who did the whole stretch at 40mph - through the villages (30mph) and the open stretch (delimited) - it was pretty much constant steady traffic at or around 40mph. It hasn't changed much.
The whole area around us has seen reduced speed limits introduced over the years - speed limits are a bit of a blunt tool.
Bikers are the highest danger group per km travelled by some margin. Your argument above is an emotional response for a very rare event. I am more likely to have a motorbike through my car windscreen from my fault than the bikers fault looking at the statistical evidence. This is not to say that it is never the bikers fault but it is similar to the old cyclists need insurance and license plates because a very small number of pedestrians are killed by cyclists. This is merely a distraction attempt by the worst offenders i.e. the car driver.
When I am cycling and come across motorbikers there are two types. The first type ride to what they can see and therefore pass me courteously and there are those that don't ride to what they can see and therefore come across me in surprise and are seen as inconsiderate. The evidence would suggest that the later group are likely to take themselves out the gene pool pretty quickly. Whilst I could focus my road safety agenda on motor bikers I am better served dealing with the many car drivers that do inflict a large number of casualties on either their own occupants or vulnerable road users such as cyclists as this will get me the biggest result for my efforts looking at the statistics.
I for one am amazed how many careless car drivers there must be on those bank holiday special routes that bikers take themselves out on so frequently.
Personally I would limit motorbikes a long time before cars, just on the grounds of noise - my home has a delightful rural setting that I'm very thankful for, about the only thing that spoils the tranquility is the sound of the donors heading off up the Braemar road, two miles away and over a hill.
Generally, if you want to alter a speed limit these days then in order to get police support you need to demonstrate that measures will be put in place so that the limit becomes self-enforcing.