Di2?

thegreatdivide

hypster wrote:

I just got Ultegra Di2 basically for free on a discounted new bike. Two rides in and I'm hating it. Those bloody levers are way too small and close together. Why didn't Shimano take an opportunity to design the system properly instead of trying to copy the mechanical lever setup? (and failing miserably IMO).

A thumb button on the inside of the brake hood for downshifts would be much more useable. A bit like how the MTB shifters work. Click with the index finger for up, press with the thumb for down.

You’re either trolling, or clueless. You’ve just described Campagnolo shifters.

hypster

Neither actually. The only Campag shifters I am familiar with are some old mechanical ones that my mate had several years ago. If that's the way the Campag electronic system works then they got it right and Shimano horribly wrong in my opinion.

I stand by my opinion that the Shimano levers are too small and too close togther. The rest of the system is flawless. Sorry if I hurt your obviously sensitive feelings.

surfercyclist

hypster wrote:

I stand by my opinion that the Shimano levers are too small and too close togther

No there're not, it's just a case of getting used to them. You'll probably find it'll take a few rides to get the shifting spot on especially in thickish gloves but once you get the hang of them they are brillliant. Funny enough I was musing about all this on my ride yesterday and I reckon DI2 is superb, so much superior to mechanical shifting. Anyone who thinks mechanical is equal or better is deluded. Ask yourself this : how many pro teams use mechanical as opposed to elctronic?

Alejandrosdog

Zeee wrote:

Webboo wrote:

Zeee wrote:

If they were the same price you would choose di2 over mechanical. Is it worth the extra at rrp? Probably not. I have both and the main difference I notice is the ability for the di2 to shift under load (ie climbing).

I pretty sure the last time I tried this with mechanical it also shifted under load. Mind it was a couple of days ago when I did it.

I never said mechanical doesn't shift under load. Di2 shifts easier. When I've been putting 1000+ though it my ultegra mechanical crunches where as my di2 just shifts seemlesly.

Give over, you’re not climbing at a thousand watts.

Alejandrosdog

SurferCyclist wrote:

hypster wrote:

I stand by my opinion that the Shimano levers are too small and too close togther

No there're not, it's just a case of getting used to them. You'll probably find it'll take a few rides to get the shifting spot on especially in thickish gloves but once you get the hang of them they are brillliant. Funny enough I was musing about all this on my ride yesterday and I reckon DI2 is superb, so much superior to mechanical shifting. Anyone who thinks mechanical is equal or better is deluded. Ask yourself this : how many pro teams use mechanical as opposed to elctronic?

There was plenty on show last Sunday when it really mattered.........

zeee

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Zeee wrote:

Webboo wrote:

Zeee wrote:

If they were the same price you would choose di2 over mechanical. Is it worth the extra at rrp? Probably not. I have both and the main difference I notice is the ability for the di2 to shift under load (ie climbing).

I pretty sure the last time I tried this with mechanical it also shifted under load. Mind it was a couple of days ago when I did it.

I never said mechanical doesn't shift under load. Di2 shifts easier. When I've been putting 1000+ though it my ultegra mechanical crunches where as my di2 just shifts seemlesly.

Give over, you’re not climbing at a thousand watts.

Why because you can't?

Alejandrosdog

Zeee wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Zeee wrote:

Webboo wrote:

Zeee wrote:

If they were the same price you would choose di2 over mechanical. Is it worth the extra at rrp? Probably not. I have both and the main difference I notice is the ability for the di2 to shift under load (ie climbing).

I pretty sure the last time I tried this with mechanical it also shifted under load. Mind it was a couple of days ago when I did it.

I never said mechanical doesn't shift under load. Di2 shifts easier. When I've been putting 1000+ though it my ultegra mechanical crunches where as my di2 just shifts seemlesly.

Give over, you’re not climbing at a thousand watts.

Why because you can't?

Because you’re not. So don’t lie. Of course if you have the files to prove it i’ll Accept you climb mountains at over a thousand watts. A sprint over a railway bridge doesn’t count.

ryan_w-2

No one should be changing gears with 1,000w+ going through the cranks... That's asking for trouble.

Ever heard of a thing called mechanical sympathy

And no one on this planet is 'climbing' at 1,000w either. Doing a sprint for 30s up a hill isn't really climbing now is it.

Matthewfalle

Alejandrosdog wrote:

SurferCyclist wrote:

hypster wrote:

I stand by my opinion that the Shimano levers are too small and too close togther

No there're not, it's just a case of getting used to them. You'll probably find it'll take a few rides to get the shifting spot on especially in thickish gloves but once you get the hang of them they are brillliant. Funny enough I was musing about all this on my ride yesterday and I reckon DI2 is superb, so much superior to mechanical shifting. Anyone who thinks mechanical is equal or better is deluded. Ask yourself this : how many pro teams use mechanical as opposed to elctronic?

There was plenty on show last Sunday when it really mattered.........

this.

thegreatdivide

Milemuncher returns!

Alejandrosdog

thegreatdivide wrote:

Milemuncher returns!

He probably needs a thousand watts with his 40kg backpack