Brachycephalic dogs

haydenm

bompington wrote:

On the other hand, go to the sled dog centre in the Cairngorms to see happy and fulfilled huskies doing like they're supposed to.

But pets? No.

Huskys can be quite vicious and need loads and loads of walking every day, I'm sure they could be very rewarding but I don't think I'd have one as a family pet. It's really cool to see the huskies in the Cairngorms but my Lab is bloody terrified of them, we went in the Pine Marten last winter and the place was rammed with them, poor Cody wouldn't go further than the entrance and he physically wet himself when someone tried to leave with one. Cody is a strange dog, he seems to entice others to try and eat him just by being there...

mr_goo

So what are the best small/medium sized breeds. Mrs Goo wants a puppy.
I'd quite like cockermouth spaniel! A nice black one. Think I'll call it Mugabe.

Ben6899

Tangled Metal wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

giantorangedale wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Sorry but one more point. Huskys are working dogs. If you've not got the means to take them out sledging IMHO you have no place owning them.

I've seen two panting for their lives one late winter when the weather turned from snow and cold to heat and snow in less than a few days. One was lying down on a patch of compacted snow to cool down. They really were struggling and it wasn't even summer.

Inappropriate dogs for the UK IMHO so don't get one.

Do they not have summer in Alaska[?]

They do. However, they'll be "lucky" to see low 20s, depending where they are.

My point was that they're a serious working dog not a pet in the traditional sense. They're equipped to work hard at low temperatures. A strong instinct. Add in the fact they're bred for a region that doesn't go from a little below zero to mid 30s like the UK can go to. When these dogs are dying in the UK at 36 degrees Celsius they're thriving at high teens possibly low 20s in a warm summer in alaska or siberia.

Round here you see them being walked around the streets of town. I'm possibly being very unkind but the people I see with these dogs tend to be overweight and not fit enough to do even the 10k steps often quoted as the recommended minimum level of daily exercise. So not only are the dogs living outside of the climate they're bred for they're also getting nowhere near enough exercise.

Yep, I'm with you on this one. The UK's too hot and they're usually owned by people who own fleeces with huskies on them!

big_harv

Firstly +100 above for Border Terriers, a dog who's intended environment can be replicated if you are willing to make an effort. And a good family dog. Therein lies the key to responsible dog ownership I think, and you will get all the pleasure and benefits out of having one in your life.

But vanity breeding? our daughter has a 6 month old shi tzu who is already overweight and wheezing like a fat slob on a treadmill, and she's an *attentive* owner. And I looked at this poor thing and wondered what purpose it has in the world..Thank God I'm not God.

bompington

Big Harv wrote:

a 6 month old shi tzu who is already overweigh

Reminds me of the joke about the disappointing zoo with only one small dog in it. It was a shi tzu.

tangled_metal

IMHO if you like cocker spaniels bear in mind a few negatives. They're clever, turn a deaf ear and think they know best. This last one often shows as trying to be the boss. You do need to train them well I believe.

Avoid the show bred ones. However the field bred ones need loads and loads of exercise. Think of them as needing as much as a field Labrador, springer spaniel or even a border collie. Miss out on this exercise and it is likely you'll have a few issues. They're very good dogs to have though you need to be sure they match your lifestyle. This is the same for all dogs but some cause more trouble I reckon.

If you like the idea of a nice field bred cocker spaniel I would look at a border terrier. I'm not biased by much but we considered a cocker spaniel but decided on a BT. The best possible choice we could have made. We first took her out walking outside at 12 weeks straight after she had vaccination cover. She came straight back to calls of her name. She has always been better off the lead than on it. Pulls on the lead but must comes back to us on calling her name or just potters around us.

They're intelligent terriers but don't have that deaf ear that other terriers often show at times. Food obsessed so easy to use treats to train. Small enough to lift out of the way but big enough to cope with long walks. Ours is just over a year old but it takes a 2 hour plus walk to tire her out but she's happy after 20 minutes. A very sociable dog but some can be aloof when older. Mad until at least 3 years old then they become a perfect, calm dog. Great family dog. Calm. Very good at working out your family and family habits. Loves routine too.

We went to our local vets puppy socialisation classes (free but we'd have paid for them). A senior vet nurse took them and used it to teach us about dog care issues. Plus ours was a nearly fully trained behaviourist so put dogs together that could cope with each other. Big dogs with other big dogs or small dogs that can handle them like our tough little BT. That sort of thing.

It is very very very important to socialise with other dogs and as many people as possible. If you get as a puppy please introduce in a controlled way when out on a walk. People get pleasure from meeting the puppy and the puppy gets used to other people. Ours is very sociable with people and other dogs.

One thing with a BT is they'll play well if socialised but if another, bigger dog tries to bully it that bigger dog will get to know when it has gone too far. They can turn very quickly at pace. Good for losing faster dogs but also good for turning on larger, bullying dogs.

To the person asking for dog breed recommendations I will say border terrier will be a good dog for people with a reasonable level of activity.

PS ours runs nicely next to our bikes when on towpaths or cycle paths. Ours can run nicely for half an hour easily before we give it a rest. Done that for many months now. She runs just behind the rear wheel of one member of the group (family in our case). Usually me because I ride at the back to keep an eye on our young son.

I understand they were bred to run with the horse on a fox hunt. So they could keep up with horse and hound all day but still go to ground to chase out or kill underground a fox trapped underground. So they can keep up all day long on walks. They're also tough. Any terrier who can kill or pursuade a fox it's best option is to leave the burrow to be torn apart by a pack of hounds is hard as nails! Parsons terrier is a similar game dog. But do not think this makes them necessarily more dangerous than other breeds. Any dog can kill or injure you.

tangled_metal

If you cross a cocker spaniel with a poodle you get a cockerpoo. Lab and poodle is a labradoodle. So what is a poodle crossed with a shi tzu? Is it a double doggy doodoo?

bompington

Tangled Metal wrote:

If you cross a cocker spaniel with a poodle you get a cockerpoo. Lab and poodle is a labradoodle. So what is a poodle crossed with a shi tzu? Is it a double doggy doodoo?

A cockerpoo crossed with a shi tzu is clearly a crock o'....

robert88

Angry Bird wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

We have a Cretan Hound, rescued by the wife at great expense four years ago from...Crete. I reckon he must be one of the rarest breeds in the UK. We’ve tried to track down other owners but we’ve had no luck. He’s an amazing beast, just like his history.

Chapeau! My sister in law rescued a Peloponnesian Sheepdog years ago. Just a puppy when they adopted it.

Anyway, greatdivide, I guess your Cretan Hound will have an EU passport long after you will.

I don't understand adopting dogs from abroad, there's plenty of dogs in the UK in need of homes, and removes the risk of bringing a non-endemic disease into the country... just seems daft.

Who says we haven’t adopted dogs from the UK before? All dogs that are brought into the UK from the EU require vaccinations and 21 days quarantine, plus the previously mention EU pet passport with said vaccinations stamped, otherwise they won’t get into the country.

Yes, but there are very real concerns about the enforcement of such measures and fraudulent activity. Plenty of money for people to make revoking dogs from other countries to the UK... regardless of whatever paperwork they do or do not have, it still doesn’t mean they aren’t carrying non-endemic disease into the country... and we have a plentiful supply of dogs in need of homes in the UK already.

Have you a rescued UK dog?

angry_bird

Robert88 wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

We have a Cretan Hound, rescued by the wife at great expense four years ago from...Crete. I reckon he must be one of the rarest breeds in the UK. We’ve tried to track down other owners but we’ve had no luck. He’s an amazing beast, just like his history.

Chapeau! My sister in law rescued a Peloponnesian Sheepdog years ago. Just a puppy when they adopted it.

Anyway, greatdivide, I guess your Cretan Hound will have an EU passport long after you will.

I don't understand adopting dogs from abroad, there's plenty of dogs in the UK in need of homes, and removes the risk of bringing a non-endemic disease into the country... just seems daft.

Who says we haven’t adopted dogs from the UK before? All dogs that are brought into the UK from the EU require vaccinations and 21 days quarantine, plus the previously mention EU pet passport with said vaccinations stamped, otherwise they won’t get into the country.

Yes, but there are very real concerns about the enforcement of such measures and fraudulent activity. Plenty of money for people to make revoking dogs from other countries to the UK... regardless of whatever paperwork they do or do not have, it still doesn’t mean they aren’t carrying non-endemic disease into the country... and we have a plentiful supply of dogs in need of homes in the UK already.

Have you a rescued UK dog?

Personally no, I don’t have time for a dog, I collect stray cats instead, my family, yes, several dogs over the years. Not that it’s overly relevant.

“Rescuing” dogs from abroad seems to be a fashionable thing to do at the moment for people, whether it makes people feel good about themselves or something, that they’re a saviour maybe? I don’t know, but it seems stupid to me, there’s plenty of animals in the UK in need of homes without the risk of bringing in other problems from abroad.

thegreatdivide

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

We have a Cretan Hound, rescued by the wife at great expense four years ago from...Crete. I reckon he must be one of the rarest breeds in the UK. We’ve tried to track down other owners but we’ve had no luck. He’s an amazing beast, just like his history.

Chapeau! My sister in law rescued a Peloponnesian Sheepdog years ago. Just a puppy when they adopted it.

Anyway, greatdivide, I guess your Cretan Hound will have an EU passport long after you will.

I don't understand adopting dogs from abroad, there's plenty of dogs in the UK in need of homes, and removes the risk of bringing a non-endemic disease into the country... just seems daft.

Who says we haven’t adopted dogs from the UK before? All dogs that are brought into the UK from the EU require vaccinations and 21 days quarantine, plus the previously mention EU pet passport with said vaccinations stamped, otherwise they won’t get into the country.

Yes, but there are very real concerns about the enforcement of such measures and fraudulent activity. Plenty of money for people to make revoking dogs from other countries to the UK... regardless of whatever paperwork they do or do not have, it still doesn’t mean they aren’t carrying non-endemic disease into the country... and we have a plentiful supply of dogs in need of homes in the UK already.

Have you a rescued UK dog?

Personally no, I don’t have time for a dog, I collect stray cats instead, my family, yes, several dogs over the years. Not that it’s overly relevant.

“Rescuing” dogs from abroad seems to be a fashionable thing to do at the moment for people, whether it makes people feel good about themselves or something, that they’re a saviour maybe? I don’t know, but it seems stupid to me, there’s plenty of animals in the UK in need of homes without the risk of bringing in other problems from abroad.

You're a load of laughs.

Replace 'animals' with 'people' and you sound like a proper Yaxley-Lennon. Looks like your inner gammon is seeping out.

tangled_metal

What relevance is rescuing a UK dog to the view we should sort out our homeless dog situation before importing other country's strays? You're giving a dog a home but the issues in the original country still prevail.

IMHO of you see a stray overseas don't rescue it to the UK but support local charities that rescue and promote the better treatment of dogs in that country. Better to help many dogs than spending all that on saving one dog.

You can rescue a UK based dog for relatively little, a donation to contribute to the costs of neutering and chipping. Then the extra money to import a dog could go to the overseas charity best placed to effect the most help.

Sorry if this view plays down people's good intentions. I just believe those intentions are not placed where they can do the most good. Most good for your money with animal rescue is something worthwhile to consider above what your heart tells you about the one dog.

BTW I hope you are not going to see my argument as a canine racist argument. It's purely about doing the most good. With all this "white saviour" argument going on it's going to be a bit rich to argue dog racism with those who don't see the overseas rescue as the best option.

BTW we've got friends who rescue overseas dogs. They live in South America and rescue local stray dogs. It seems they're on about 6 and counting. The dogs seem to choose them. There are plenty of strays out there. There's some that survive off local tourists. In some areas you'll see a dog trekking with some tourists. There's plenty of dog rescue charities there too. Colombia is the country.

angry_bird

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

We have a Cretan Hound, rescued by the wife at great expense four years ago from...Crete. I reckon he must be one of the rarest breeds in the UK. We’ve tried to track down other owners but we’ve had no luck. He’s an amazing beast, just like his history.

Chapeau! My sister in law rescued a Peloponnesian Sheepdog years ago. Just a puppy when they adopted it.

Anyway, greatdivide, I guess your Cretan Hound will have an EU passport long after you will.

I don't understand adopting dogs from abroad, there's plenty of dogs in the UK in need of homes, and removes the risk of bringing a non-endemic disease into the country... just seems daft.

Who says we haven’t adopted dogs from the UK before? All dogs that are brought into the UK from the EU require vaccinations and 21 days quarantine, plus the previously mention EU pet passport with said vaccinations stamped, otherwise they won’t get into the country.

Yes, but there are very real concerns about the enforcement of such measures and fraudulent activity. Plenty of money for people to make revoking dogs from other countries to the UK... regardless of whatever paperwork they do or do not have, it still doesn’t mean they aren’t carrying non-endemic disease into the country... and we have a plentiful supply of dogs in need of homes in the UK already.

Have you a rescued UK dog?

Personally no, I don’t have time for a dog, I collect stray cats instead, my family, yes, several dogs over the years. Not that it’s overly relevant.

“Rescuing” dogs from abroad seems to be a fashionable thing to do at the moment for people, whether it makes people feel good about themselves or something, that they’re a saviour maybe? I don’t know, but it seems stupid to me, there’s plenty of animals in the UK in need of homes without the risk of bringing in other problems from abroad.

You're a load of laughs.

Replace 'animals' with 'people' and you sound like a proper Yaxley-Lennon. Looks like your inner gammon is seeping out.

Eh? That's a bit of a leap and miles off the mark. There's a world of difference between letting people into this country as migrants, refugees etc. than "rescuing" dogs because it makes us feel better about ourselves and we want a pet, especially when we've got a real problem with rescue dogs in the UK already. There are genuine, well founded concerns about the importation of non-endemic, infectious diseases with these animals being brought in. I'd suggest that you maybe consider educating yourself, if you're capable.

robert88

Angry Bird wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

We have a Cretan Hound, rescued by the wife at great expense four years ago from...Crete. I reckon he must be one of the rarest breeds in the UK. We’ve tried to track down other owners but we’ve had no luck. He’s an amazing beast, just like his history.

Chapeau! My sister in law rescued a Peloponnesian Sheepdog years ago. Just a puppy when they adopted it.

Anyway, greatdivide, I guess your Cretan Hound will have an EU passport long after you will.

I don't understand adopting dogs from abroad, there's plenty of dogs in the UK in need of homes, and removes the risk of bringing a non-endemic disease into the country... just seems daft.

Who says we haven’t adopted dogs from the UK before? All dogs that are brought into the UK from the EU require vaccinations and 21 days quarantine, plus the previously mention EU pet passport with said vaccinations stamped, otherwise they won’t get into the country.

Yes, but there are very real concerns about the enforcement of such measures and fraudulent activity. Plenty of money for people to make revoking dogs from other countries to the UK... regardless of whatever paperwork they do or do not have, it still doesn’t mean they aren’t carrying non-endemic disease into the country... and we have a plentiful supply of dogs in need of homes in the UK already.

Have you a rescued UK dog?

Personally no, I don’t have time for a dog, I collect stray cats instead, my family, yes, several dogs over the years. Not that it’s overly relevant.

“Rescuing” dogs from abroad seems to be a fashionable thing to do at the moment for people, whether it makes people feel good about themselves or something, that they’re a saviour maybe? I don’t know, but it seems stupid to me, there’s plenty of animals in the UK in need of homes without the risk of bringing in other problems from abroad.

You're a load of laughs.

Replace 'animals' with 'people' and you sound like a proper Yaxley-Lennon. Looks like your inner gammon is seeping out.

Eh? That's a bit of a leap and miles off the mark. There's a world of difference between letting people into this country as migrants, refugees etc. than "rescuing" dogs because it makes us feel better about ourselves and we want a pet, especially when we've got a real problem with rescue dogs in the UK already. There are genuine, well founded concerns about the importation of non-endemic, infectious diseases with these animals being brought in. I'd suggest that you maybe consider educating yourself, if you're capable.

Don't think it's necessarily about "it makes us feel better about ourselves and we want a pet".

I don't know Crete but I have been to mainland Greece a few times and stray dogs are a problem in some areas. After all, it costs a fair bit to get an animal neutered and I doubt they have many rescue centres. And if they do, no doubt they are inundated. Greece is not generally wealthy although it has a lot wealthy folk on its nice islands.

WRT 'non-endemic diseases' what did you have in mind and how do you know vets are unaware of the problem?

Fraudulent activity is one thing, legitimately importing an animal is another.

Anyway, if you want to be useful get your knickers in a real twist and check out the 'Box Tree Moth'. Probably gets around on imported plants. like Dutch Elm disease did.

Wheelspinner

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

We have a Cretan Hound, rescued by the wife at great expense four years ago from...Crete. I reckon he must be one of the rarest breeds in the UK. We’ve tried to track down other owners but we’ve had no luck. He’s an amazing beast, just like his history.

Chapeau! My sister in law rescued a Peloponnesian Sheepdog years ago. Just a puppy when they adopted it.

Anyway, greatdivide, I guess your Cretan Hound will have an EU passport long after you will.

I don't understand adopting dogs from abroad, there's plenty of dogs in the UK in need of homes, and removes the risk of bringing a non-endemic disease into the country... just seems daft.

Who says we haven’t adopted dogs from the UK before? All dogs that are brought into the UK from the EU require vaccinations and 21 days quarantine, plus the previously mention EU pet passport with said vaccinations stamped, otherwise they won’t get into the country.

Yes, but there are very real concerns about the enforcement of such measures and fraudulent activity. Plenty of money for people to make revoking dogs from other countries to the UK... regardless of whatever paperwork they do or do not have, it still doesn’t mean they aren’t carrying non-endemic disease into the country... and we have a plentiful supply of dogs in need of homes in the UK already.

Have you a rescued UK dog?

Personally no, I don’t have time for a dog, I collect stray cats instead, my family, yes, several dogs over the years. Not that it’s overly relevant.

“Rescuing” dogs from abroad seems to be a fashionable thing to do at the moment for people, whether it makes people feel good about themselves or something, that they’re a saviour maybe? I don’t know, but it seems stupid to me, there’s plenty of animals in the UK in need of homes without the risk of bringing in other problems from abroad.

You're a load of laughs.

Replace 'animals' with 'people' and you sound like a proper Yaxley-Lennon. Looks like your inner gammon is seeping out.

Suspect you may not know that Angry Bird is.... a Veterinarian.

robert88

Wheelspinner wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

We have a Cretan Hound, rescued by the wife at great expense four years ago from...Crete. I reckon he must be one of the rarest breeds in the UK. We’ve tried to track down other owners but we’ve had no luck. He’s an amazing beast, just like his history.

Chapeau! My sister in law rescued a Peloponnesian Sheepdog years ago. Just a puppy when they adopted it.

Anyway, greatdivide, I guess your Cretan Hound will have an EU passport long after you will.

I don't understand adopting dogs from abroad, there's plenty of dogs in the UK in need of homes, and removes the risk of bringing a non-endemic disease into the country... just seems daft.

Who says we haven’t adopted dogs from the UK before? All dogs that are brought into the UK from the EU require vaccinations and 21 days quarantine, plus the previously mention EU pet passport with said vaccinations stamped, otherwise they won’t get into the country.

Yes, but there are very real concerns about the enforcement of such measures and fraudulent activity. Plenty of money for people to make revoking dogs from other countries to the UK... regardless of whatever paperwork they do or do not have, it still doesn’t mean they aren’t carrying non-endemic disease into the country... and we have a plentiful supply of dogs in need of homes in the UK already.

Have you a rescued UK dog?

Personally no, I don’t have time for a dog, I collect stray cats instead, my family, yes, several dogs over the years. Not that it’s overly relevant.

“Rescuing” dogs from abroad seems to be a fashionable thing to do at the moment for people, whether it makes people feel good about themselves or something, that they’re a saviour maybe? I don’t know, but it seems stupid to me, there’s plenty of animals in the UK in need of homes without the risk of bringing in other problems from abroad.

You're a load of laughs.

Replace 'animals' with 'people' and you sound like a proper Yaxley-Lennon. Looks like your inner gammon is seeping out.

Suspect you may not know that Angry Bird is.... a Veterinarian.

How's that? D-Day landings?

Wheelspinner

Robert88 wrote:

Wheelspinner wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

We have a Cretan Hound, rescued by the wife at great expense four years ago from...Crete. I reckon he must be one of the rarest breeds in the UK. We’ve tried to track down other owners but we’ve had no luck. He’s an amazing beast, just like his history.

Chapeau! My sister in law rescued a Peloponnesian Sheepdog years ago. Just a puppy when they adopted it.

Anyway, greatdivide, I guess your Cretan Hound will have an EU passport long after you will.

I don't understand adopting dogs from abroad, there's plenty of dogs in the UK in need of homes, and removes the risk of bringing a non-endemic disease into the country... just seems daft.

Who says we haven’t adopted dogs from the UK before? All dogs that are brought into the UK from the EU require vaccinations and 21 days quarantine, plus the previously mention EU pet passport with said vaccinations stamped, otherwise they won’t get into the country.

Yes, but there are very real concerns about the enforcement of such measures and fraudulent activity. Plenty of money for people to make revoking dogs from other countries to the UK... regardless of whatever paperwork they do or do not have, it still doesn’t mean they aren’t carrying non-endemic disease into the country... and we have a plentiful supply of dogs in need of homes in the UK already.

Have you a rescued UK dog?

Personally no, I don’t have time for a dog, I collect stray cats instead, my family, yes, several dogs over the years. Not that it’s overly relevant.

“Rescuing” dogs from abroad seems to be a fashionable thing to do at the moment for people, whether it makes people feel good about themselves or something, that they’re a saviour maybe? I don’t know, but it seems stupid to me, there’s plenty of animals in the UK in need of homes without the risk of bringing in other problems from abroad.

You're a load of laughs.

Replace 'animals' with 'people' and you sound like a proper Yaxley-Lennon. Looks like your inner gammon is seeping out.

Suspect you may not know that Angry Bird is.... a Veterinarian.

How's that? D-Day landings?

Eh?

Veterinarian

vɛt(ə)rɪˈnɛːrɪən

noun

A person qualified to treat diseased or injured animals; a veterinary surgeon.

robert88

Wheelspinner wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Wheelspinner wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

We have a Cretan Hound, rescued by the wife at great expense four years ago from...Crete. I reckon he must be one of the rarest breeds in the UK. We’ve tried to track down other owners but we’ve had no luck. He’s an amazing beast, just like his history.

Chapeau! My sister in law rescued a Peloponnesian Sheepdog years ago. Just a puppy when they adopted it.

Anyway, greatdivide, I guess your Cretan Hound will have an EU passport long after you will.

I don't understand adopting dogs from abroad, there's plenty of dogs in the UK in need of homes, and removes the risk of bringing a non-endemic disease into the country... just seems daft.

Who says we haven’t adopted dogs from the UK before? All dogs that are brought into the UK from the EU require vaccinations and 21 days quarantine, plus the previously mention EU pet passport with said vaccinations stamped, otherwise they won’t get into the country.

Yes, but there are very real concerns about the enforcement of such measures and fraudulent activity. Plenty of money for people to make revoking dogs from other countries to the UK... regardless of whatever paperwork they do or do not have, it still doesn’t mean they aren’t carrying non-endemic disease into the country... and we have a plentiful supply of dogs in need of homes in the UK already.

Have you a rescued UK dog?

Personally no, I don’t have time for a dog, I collect stray cats instead, my family, yes, several dogs over the years. Not that it’s overly relevant.

“Rescuing” dogs from abroad seems to be a fashionable thing to do at the moment for people, whether it makes people feel good about themselves or something, that they’re a saviour maybe? I don’t know, but it seems stupid to me, there’s plenty of animals in the UK in need of homes without the risk of bringing in other problems from abroad.

You're a load of laughs.

Replace 'animals' with 'people' and you sound like a proper Yaxley-Lennon. Looks like your inner gammon is seeping out.

Suspect you may not know that Angry Bird is.... a Veterinarian.

How's that? D-Day landings?

Eh?

Veterinarian

vɛt(ə)rɪˈnɛːrɪən

noun

A person qualified to treat diseased or injured animals; a veterinary surgeon.

"A person qualified to treat diseased or injured animals; a veterinary surgeon. A kind of doctor who doesn't need a good bedside manner"

haydenm

I'm not convinced, my dog needs a fair bit of sweet talking before he lets you shove a thermometer up is ar*s...

tangled_metal

Really? A vet? So AB might actually know a bit about the pitfalls of importing animals / non endemic diseases? As opposed to an animal lover who just wants to help in whatever way they think works for them.

I personally don't know anything about non endemic diseases just that there are rescue charities in most countries and they're very underfunded in many. I also know that there's loads of rescue centres in the UK with near full capacity. I'm on a mailing list for greyhounds / lurchers where people foster and rehomes UK based lurchers and long hounds. Rescued from pounds with put to sleep policies. Unfortunately I couldn't help but I'm on their mailing list. If there's a gap in the transport chain in my area I'll help.

It's a crying shame there's put to sleep pounds here where dogs are only rescued in the eleventh hour from lethal injection. Rehome these dogs but support overseas rescue charities. They are underfunded too and offer better use of your money by being a local solution that's more aware of the situation.

Alejandrosdog

HaydenM wrote:

I'm not convinced, my dog needs a fair bit of sweet talking before he lets you shove a thermometer up is ar*s...

robert88

Tangled Metal wrote:

Really? A vet? So AB might actually know a bit about the pitfalls of importing animals / non endemic diseases? As opposed to an animal lover who just wants to help in whatever way they think works for them.

I personally don't know anything about non endemic diseases just that there are rescue charities in most countries and they're very underfunded in many. I also know that there's loads of rescue centres in the UK with near full capacity. I'm on a mailing list for greyhounds / lurchers where people foster and rehomes UK based lurchers and long hounds. Rescued from pounds with put to sleep policies. Unfortunately I couldn't help but I'm on their mailing list. If there's a gap in the transport chain in my area I'll help.

It's a crying shame there's put to sleep pounds here where dogs are only rescued in the eleventh hour from lethal injection. Rehome these dogs but support overseas rescue charities. They are underfunded too and offer better use of your money by being a local solution that's more aware of the situation.

Are we allowed to do overseas aid these days?

bianchimoon

Tangled Metal wrote:

IMHO if you like cocker spaniels bear in mind a few negatives. They're clever, turn a deaf ear and think they know best. This last one often shows as trying to be the boss. You do need to train them well I believe.

Avoid the show bred ones. However the field bred ones need loads and loads of exercise. Think of them as needing as much as a field Labrador, springer spaniel or even a border collie. Miss out on this exercise and it is likely you'll have a few issues. They're very good dogs to have though you need to be sure they match your lifestyle. This is the same for all dogs but some cause more trouble I reckon.

If you like the idea of a nice field bred cocker spaniel I would look at a border terrier. I'm not biased by much but we considered a cocker spaniel but decided on a BT. The best possible choice we could have made. We first took her out walking outside at 12 weeks straight after she had vaccination cover. She came straight back to calls of her name. She has always been better off the lead than on it. Pulls on the lead but must comes back to us on calling her name or just potters around us.

We're onto our second working cocker, both are/have been fabulous pets, totally different personalities the first one I took control of the training as a puppy, after a battle of wills and a sharp tap or two (took about a month) She could be let off the lead and would come back immediately on a whistle. Finx would run alongside me as we biked on holiday or local lanes, climbed mountains in the Lakes and Wales, a perfect pet. The second one Nessa I let my wife take care of the training, to this day 8 years later she still can't be let off the lead, she will not listen to you outdoors (the dog not the wife!) her instincts for smells of rabbit/pheasant etc is so strong that if she got a scent we would never see her again. She is always on a long lead with a harness, which when walking in the lakes I'll attach to front of rucksack and get 4 legged assist all the way up hills Some friends of ours with a working cocker have a transmitter on its collar as she's the same and has gotten off the lead and been lost and found twice.
In the house and garden (fully enclosed) Nessa could not be a more loving attentive dog, intelligent enough to let you know what she wants, taps you with her paw if she wants you to do something again. No real health issues other than cataracts in later life, but with a nose like that you don't need to be able to see

tangled_metal

HaydenM wrote:

I'm not convinced, my dog needs a fair bit of sweet talking before he lets you shove a thermometer up is ar*s...

That's what veterinary nurses are for.

angry_bird

Tangled Metal wrote:

It's a crying shame there's put to sleep pounds here where dogs are only rescued in the eleventh hour from lethal injection. Rehome these dogs but support overseas rescue charities. They are underfunded too and offer better use of your money by being a local solution that's more aware of the situation.

Agreed.

There's plenty of clinics overseas that would welcome money to help fund neutering and healthcare for strays. Plenty of vets heading over from the UK giving their time for nothing to do it too.

tangled_metal

All dog rescues are positive but my view it's a less effective option if it's overseas sourced rescue. However it all helps in some way.

The positive with it is how a stray is likely to be a mongrel so on average more healthy than a lot of show breeds. (see got it back on topic)

rjsterry

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Angry Bird wrote:

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We have a Cretan Hound, rescued by the wife at great expense four years ago from...Crete. I reckon he must be one of the rarest breeds in the UK. We’ve tried to track down other owners but we’ve had no luck. He’s an amazing beast, just like his history.

Chapeau! My sister in law rescued a Peloponnesian Sheepdog years ago. Just a puppy when they adopted it.

Anyway, greatdivide, I guess your Cretan Hound will have an EU passport long after you will.

I don't understand adopting dogs from abroad, there's plenty of dogs in the UK in need of homes, and removes the risk of bringing a non-endemic disease into the country... just seems daft.

Who says we haven’t adopted dogs from the UK before? All dogs that are brought into the UK from the EU require vaccinations and 21 days quarantine, plus the previously mention EU pet passport with said vaccinations stamped, otherwise they won’t get into the country.

Yes, but there are very real concerns about the enforcement of such measures and fraudulent activity. Plenty of money for people to make revoking dogs from other countries to the UK... regardless of whatever paperwork they do or do not have, it still doesn’t mean they aren’t carrying non-endemic disease into the country... and we have a plentiful supply of dogs in need of homes in the UK already.

Have you a rescued UK dog?

Personally no, I don’t have time for a dog, I collect stray cats instead, my family, yes, several dogs over the years. Not that it’s overly relevant.

“Rescuing” dogs from abroad seems to be a fashionable thing to do at the moment for people, whether it makes people feel good about themselves or something, that they’re a saviour maybe? I don’t know, but it seems stupid to me, there’s plenty of animals in the UK in need of homes without the risk of bringing in other problems from abroad.

You're a load of laughs.

Replace 'animals' with 'people' and you sound like a proper Yaxley-Lennon. Looks like your inner gammon is seeping out.

Suspect you may not know that Angry Bird is.... a Veterinarian.

How's that? D-Day landings?

Eh?

Veterinarian

vɛt(ə)rɪˈnɛːrɪən

noun

A person qualified to treat diseased or injured animals; a veterinary surgeon.

"A person qualified to treat diseased or injured animals; a veterinary surgeon. A kind of doctor who doesn't need a good bedside manner"

Pfft. You've seen dog owners, right?

shirley_basso

I posted above the dangers of importing overseas animals.

Articles from the BVA and Vet Times and Independent.

Some diseases are dormant and the animals are hosts, many are not spotted by vets - i cant imagine the cost of screening for them all - but a heck of a lot. Many foreign illness are pretty horrific and Uk animals are simply not inoculated against them so they spread quickly and lots of foreign diseases are brought back simply because people take their own non-vaccinated animals overseas and bring the diseases back on their own pets.

There are loads of well mannered dogs native to the UK you can adopt.

Also - dog owners can be dickwads but when it comes to their little fluffy, they will do anything.

tangled_metal

Round here? More than enough fat effers with a husky, collie or gundog like springers or field versions of cockers. One lass has a nice JRT that she walks from her disability buggy. She doesn't need it because I've seen her walking perfectly well round town without her buggy, it's just easier to walk the dog instead!

There's pet shop owners who give new dog owners feeding and pet advice all the while being followed around the store by the fattest collie I've ever seen. It had a bigger girth than a St Bernard or newfie, including its fur (as in not body size but fur size. I'm 6'5" tall with arm length appropriate for my height. I could not reach around that collie. Hardly a good advert for a pet shop!

Dog owners are not always right. Or even fit to own dogs. As a real dog lover all I can do is keep my BT healthy, well exercised and happy. She's lying near my feet right now after a full day's walk with the dog walker. Complete with a nice roll in a dead animal! :roll:

I've been told hunting dogs like to roll on something nasty to hide their own scent. Kind of smell like dead animal and you'll get nearer your prey I guess. Whatever the reason our BT is very satisfied with her walk. Not sure she'll like a second bath she's going to get later tonight!

tangled_metal

Crufts 2019 is on c4 now. BBC stopped broadcasting it in response to the kennel club attitude to breeding related conditions in show breeds I believe. Straight after BBC gave up on it c4 stepped in and has been broadcasting it ever since. Part of me thinks no TV show should broadcast it until they scrap any harming breed standards, but especially ending the squat nose breed's difficulty in breeding. Personally until the kennel club changes the likes of the British bulldog from a squat, fat and unhealthy looking monstrosity to a breed standard that's tall, athletic, exceptionally healthy and physically able to move out of the way of an angry bull trying to gore it during bull baiting. Of course not by bull baiting fit real but you know what I mean.