Aluminium or Carbon ?
rokt
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It’s new bike time and just out of interest, which way would you go ?
Cannondale CAAD12 Dura-Ace Disc in deep purple with HollowGram wheels & crank set or
a SuperSix Evo Ultegra Disc in glacier blue and get a decent wheel upgrade ?
It would be nice to see some opinions.
Cannondale CAAD12 Dura-Ace Disc in deep purple with HollowGram wheels & crank set or
a SuperSix Evo Ultegra Disc in glacier blue and get a decent wheel upgrade ?
It would be nice to see some opinions.
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the caad12 is purported to be a better bike than the standard supersix. for less money, you could probably get the frameset, a decent disc package and all the bits you need to be comfy and fast, maybe.0
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Rokt wrote:It’s new bike time and just out of interest, which way would you go ?
Cannondale CAAD12 Dura-Ace Disc in deep purple with HollowGram wheels & crank set or
a SuperSix Evo Ultegra Disc in glacier blue and get a decent wheel upgrade ?
It would be nice to see some opinions.
Our opinions don't matter - only yours. If you've narrowed your search down to two Cannondales, then ride both and decide.0 -
I've got both (non disc). I prefer my CAAD12. The purple one looks nice too.0
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Imposter wrote:Rokt wrote:It’s new bike time and just out of interest, which way would you go ?
Cannondale CAAD12 Dura-Ace Disc in deep purple with HollowGram wheels & crank set or
a SuperSix Evo Ultegra Disc in glacier blue and get a decent wheel upgrade ?
It would be nice to see some opinions.
Our opinions don't matter - only yours. If you've narrowed your search down to two Cannondales, then ride both and decide.
this.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
I've had a supersix and have replaced it with a CAAD12 which I prefer.
But you need to ride them both and buy the one you like more.0 -
Had a test ride of both a SuperSix & a CAAD12 this morning,
not the models I'm interested in though.
I tested both with Shimano 105 (R7000) and I can honestly say,
I struggled to tell the difference.
Not a lot of help really !0 -
If you can't notice a difference, buy the cheaper one or the one you prefer.
For me, the CAAD feels more "alive" whereas the Supersix felt more "dampened".0 -
Rokt wrote:Had a test ride of both a SuperSix & a CAAD12 this morning,
not the models I'm interested in though.
I tested both with Shimano 105 (R7000) and I can honestly say,
I struggled to tell the difference.
Not a lot of help really !
answered your own question then.
just buy the one you like the look of best.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Thanks for the advice.
To be fair I only had a five minute ride around the car park of my local
Evans Cycles as it was the only place local that had both bikes in.
I've managed to find a dealer with the CAAD12 Dura Ace in stock
in a 54cm that I'm going to look at tomorrow.
Just out of interest what frame size would you recommend ?
I'm 173cm (5'8") tall with a 80cm (31.5") inseam and not sure
between a 52 or 54cm on the CAAD12.0 -
What size did you ride?
I'm 6" and ride a 56cm0 -
I'm 5'6" and find I'm a 52 on a CAAD. I'm long legs / short body and a 54 is too much of a stretch. You really need to try both.0
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I'm 5-7 and have a CAAD12 size 52 - the 54 was much too big (really stretched out) - not much seat post showing on the 52.0
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Decent Aluminium ( the CAAD 12 is amongst the best on the market IME ) is at least as good as Carbon, indeed there are a lot of gash Carbon frames that can’t hold a candle to the CAAD. If you’re not a hardcore racer, with aspirations of cat 2 ( obvs ), the CAAD is a great choice.0
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Tyresome wrote:Decent Aluminium ( the CAAD 12 is amongst the best on the market IME ) is at least as good as Carbon, indeed there are a lot of gash Carbon frames that can’t hold a candle to the CAAD. If you’re not a hardcore racer, with aspirations of cat 2 ( obvs ), the CAAD is a great choice.
Would it not be possible to get a second cat licence on a CAAD then..?0 -
Imposter wrote:Tyresome wrote:Decent Aluminium ( the CAAD 12 is amongst the best on the market IME ) is at least as good as Carbon, indeed there are a lot of gash Carbon frames that can’t hold a candle to the CAAD. If you’re not a hardcore racer, with aspirations of cat 2 ( obvs ), the CAAD is a great choice.
Would it not be possible to get a second cat licence on a CAAD then..?
depends what club you are in.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:Imposter wrote:Tyresome wrote:Decent Aluminium ( the CAAD 12 is amongst the best on the market IME ) is at least as good as Carbon, indeed there are a lot of gash Carbon frames that can’t hold a candle to the CAAD. If you’re not a hardcore racer, with aspirations of cat 2 ( obvs ), the CAAD is a great choice.
Would it not be possible to get a second cat licence on a CAAD then..?
depends what club you are in.
We know what club milemuncher is in...0 -
I’ve owned the cadd12 for two years - ridden a supersix evo for a week and now own a supersix hi mod ..
The hi mod is very lively and a brilliant climber - the standard supersix is similar to the caad 12 but climbs better in my opinion.
So essentially to me anyway from experience of the 3 of them the caad12 is the lesser bike by a little to the supersix evo .
But that purple is stunning in the caad12 and you won’t go wrong whichever you get0 -
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/peter-s ... c-gallery/
It’s a spesh, and he’s a pro with support ( re the tubeless ), but he did a top job, and it proves a point.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:Imposter wrote:Tyresome wrote:Decent Aluminium ( the CAAD 12 is amongst the best on the market IME ) is at least as good as Carbon, indeed there are a lot of gash Carbon frames that can’t hold a candle to the CAAD. If you’re not a hardcore racer, with aspirations of cat 2 ( obvs ), the CAAD is a great choice.
Would it not be possible to get a second cat licence on a CAAD then..?
depends what club you are in. very true. 0 -
Tyresome wrote:If you’re not a hardcore racer, with aspirations of cat 2 ( obvs ), the CAAD is a great choice.Tyresome wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/peter-sagan-to-debut-alloy-frame-and-tubeless-tyres-in-down-under-classic-gallery/
It’s a spesh, and he’s a pro with support ( re the tubeless ), but he did a top job, and it proves a point.
So one the one hand, a rider aiming for a second cat licence in the UK would not be able to get one on a alu CAAD - on the other hand, Sagan can ride an alu frame and it's perfectly ok. And all this from someone who's never ridden a race in his sorry life. Trolling as usual.0 -
The best aluminium bike money can buy...
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shamrock134 wrote:The best aluminium bike money can buy...
That’s a decent bike. Comes with Ultegra 11 speed and Mavic Cosmic elite S wheels, and a decent Fizik Arione saddle for about a grand IIRC, so I’ve no idea why you’d laugh, unless you know little about bikes and kit of course.0 -
Tyresome wrote:so I’ve no idea why you’d laugh, unless you know little about bikes and kit of course.
Laughing at you - not the bike.0 -
It does however come with a rear brake under the bottom bracket which everyone knows is the worst place you could put it.Tyresome wrote:shamrock134 wrote:The best aluminium bike money can buy...
That’s a decent bike. Comes with Ultegra 11 speed and Mavic Cosmic elite S wheels, and a decent Fizik Arione saddle for about a grand IIRC, so I’ve no idea why you’d laugh, unless you know little about bikes and kit of course.0 -
Webboo wrote:
It does however come with a rear brake under the bottom bracket which everyone knows is the worst place you could put it.Tyresome wrote:shamrock134 wrote:The best aluminium bike money can buy...
That’s a decent bike. Comes with Ultegra 11 speed and Mavic Cosmic elite S wheels, and a decent Fizik Arione saddle for about a grand IIRC, so I’ve no idea why you’d laugh, unless you know little about bikes and kit of course.
Apart from cleaning, there is little issue with the rear brake on the bottom bracket region. After all, you use your front brake mainly and the rear is mostly used to come to a complete stop not so much for slowing so it's not a performance issue.
As for the main subject, 5 years ago I would say a good aluminium frame can be much better than a cheap carbon in most cases. But today it's not so true. You can get very very good carbon frames and setups for sub £1k. The CAAD always get a mention of a superb alu frame but it really is a company squeezing as much tech ability out of a material with not much further to go. Specializeds smart weld tech has probably done a lot to extend the life of aluminium as a viable top end material but it's days are still numbered. The other issue is that the lighter and more highly engineered they get the more delicate they get. Carbon can be very strong and very light but make aluminium lighter it's a compromise. You can't do much to change aluminiums strength to weight. Lighter will always be weaker. So a crash could be more likely terminal to an aluminium frame than carbon. Carbon repair is quite common. Once aluminium breaks it's scrap metal. Just remember that if you intend racing on one.0 -
Tyresome wrote:shamrock134 wrote:The best aluminium bike money can buy...
That’s a decent bike. Comes with Ultegra 11 speed and Mavic Cosmic elite S wheels, and a decent Fizik Arione saddle for about a grand IIRC, so I’ve no idea why you’d laugh, unless you know little about bikes and kit of course.
it could come with Victoria Pendleton polishing the saddle and Sagan sprinting it for you but it doesn't matter.
Get the piece of shyt off the Memorial.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Yes and no. If you have a lifetime warranty on an Aluminium frame, it can take the worry away if it breaks. The trickle down of CF tech and lay up technique is starting to mean a sub 1000 quid Carbon frame doesn’t instantly mean it’s total gash anymore.SJH76 wrote:Webboo wrote:
It does however come with a rear brake under the bottom bracket which everyone knows is the worst place you could put it.Tyresome wrote:shamrock134 wrote:The best aluminium bike money can buy...
That’s a decent bike. Comes with Ultegra 11 speed and Mavic Cosmic elite S wheels, and a decent Fizik Arione saddle for about a grand IIRC, so I’ve no idea why you’d laugh, unless you know little about bikes and kit of course.
Apart from cleaning, there is little issue with the rear brake on the bottom bracket region. After all, you use your front brake mainly and the rear is mostly used to come to a complete stop not so much for slowing so it's not a performance issue.
As for the main subject, 5 years ago I would say a good aluminium frame can be much better than a cheap carbon in most cases. But today it's not so true. You can get very very good carbon frames and setups for sub £1k. The CAAD always get a mention of a superb alu frame but it really is a company squeezing as much tech ability out of a material with not much further to go. Specializeds smart weld tech has probably done a lot to extend the life of aluminium as a viable top end material but it's days are still numbered. The other issue is that the lighter and more highly engineered they get the more delicate they get. Carbon can be very strong and very light but make aluminium lighter it's a compromise. You can't do much to change aluminiums strength to weight. Lighter will always be weaker. So a crash could be more likely terminal to an aluminium frame than carbon. Carbon repair is quite common. Once aluminium breaks it's scrap metal. Just remember that if you intend racing on one.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:Tyresome wrote:shamrock134 wrote:The best aluminium bike money can buy...
That’s a decent bike. Comes with Ultegra 11 speed and Mavic Cosmic elite S wheels, and a decent Fizik Arione saddle for about a grand IIRC, so I’ve no idea why you’d laugh, unless you know little about bikes and kit of course.
it could come with Victoria Pendleton polishing the saddle and Sagan sprinting it for you but it doesn't matter.
Get the piece of shyt off the Memorial.
It looks like it’s behind the guard rail to me, so not ‘on’ the memorial.0 -
Tyresome wrote:
Yes and no. If you have a lifetime warranty on an Aluminium frame, it can take the worry away if it breaks. The trickle down of CF tech and lay up technique is starting to mean a sub 1000 quid Carbon frame doesn’t instantly mean it’s total gash anymore.SJH76 wrote:Webboo wrote:
It does however come with a rear brake under the bottom bracket which everyone knows is the worst place you could put it.Tyresome wrote:shamrock134 wrote:The best aluminium bike money can buy...
That’s a decent bike. Comes with Ultegra 11 speed and Mavic Cosmic elite S wheels, and a decent Fizik Arione saddle for about a grand IIRC, so I’ve no idea why you’d laugh, unless you know little about bikes and kit of course.
Apart from cleaning, there is little issue with the rear brake on the bottom bracket region. After all, you use your front brake mainly and the rear is mostly used to come to a complete stop not so much for slowing so it's not a performance issue.
As for the main subject, 5 years ago I would say a good aluminium frame can be much better than a cheap carbon in most cases. But today it's not so true. You can get very very good carbon frames and setups for sub £1k. The CAAD always get a mention of a superb alu frame but it really is a company squeezing as much tech ability out of a material with not much further to go. Specializeds smart weld tech has probably done a lot to extend the life of aluminium as a viable top end material but it's days are still numbered. The other issue is that the lighter and more highly engineered they get the more delicate they get. Carbon can be very strong and very light but make aluminium lighter it's a compromise. You can't do much to change aluminiums strength to weight. Lighter will always be weaker. So a crash could be more likely terminal to an aluminium frame than carbon. Carbon repair is quite common. Once aluminium breaks it's scrap metal. Just remember that if you intend racing on one.
If you crash a bike - your warranty won't replace it. Your fault not theirs.0 -
Tyresome wrote:The trickle down of CF tech and lay up technique is starting to mean a sub 1000 quid Carbon frame doesn’t instantly mean it’s total gash anymore.
Frame price is largely a product of material costs v labour costs v production run - always has been. That price point is entirely arbitrary and a product of your own imagination. Looking forward to your explanation of these 'improved' layup techniques and 'trickle down' CF technology. I won't hold my breath though, because you just make this shite up as you go along..0
