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This is all going to fall apart in the next 48 hours.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
In what way?tailwindhome said:This is all going to fall apart in the next 48 hours.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Overwhelming support for reinstating the meat tax among focus groups.0
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It’s going to really confuse their core vote to have a slogan of more than three words.
I particularly like that they won’t insist of sorting recycling into 7 different boxes. That’s very specific and allows them to insist on sorting it into 8 boxes without breaking a promise.0 -
The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland called a press conference to scrap policies that never existedStevo_666 said:
In what way?tailwindhome said:This is all going to fall apart in the next 48 hours.
Impossible to do that without ultimately looking stupid when people start to ask wtf you're talking about 7 bins and meat taxes for“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Who is the 7 bin thing aimed at? Bin numbers are different all over the place.Pross said:It’s going to really confuse their core vote to have a slogan of more than three words.
I particularly like that they won’t insist of sorting recycling into 7 different boxes. That’s very specific and allows them to insist on sorting it into 8 boxes without breaking a promise.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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There is a law that they passed in 2021 that specifies 6 recyclable streams (plus non recyclables).pangolin said:
Who is the 7 bin thing aimed at? Bin numbers are different all over the place.Pross said:It’s going to really confuse their core vote to have a slogan of more than three words.
I particularly like that they won’t insist of sorting recycling into 7 different boxes. That’s very specific and allows them to insist on sorting it into 8 boxes without breaking a promise.
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It was only 3 weeks ago that Sunak announced that he was committed to the 2030 deadline. Does he think no-one has a memory?
Also enjoying the side show of Johnson pointing out the obvious followed by his former Leader of the HoC accusing him of being a 'net zero zealot'.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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No one is listening to them till the electionrjsterry said:It was only 3 weeks ago that Sunak announced that he was committed to the 2030 deadline. Does he think no-one has a memory?
Also enjoying the side show of Johnson pointing out the obvious followed by his former Leader of the HoC accusing him of being a 'net zero zealot'.0 -
I fail to see why the car manufacturers are bitching. They have to make the changes anyway and spend the money so keep working to the 2030 deadline and just offer EVs. Nothing needs to change for them.0
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They’re just jostling for market share.Dorset_Boy said:I fail to see why the car manufacturers are bitching. They have to make the changes anyway and spend the money so keep working to the 2030 deadline and just offer EVs. Nothing needs to change for them.
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From the political commentator of the Mail on Sunday...
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1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Have noticed that in the negotiations with BMW to build the new electric Mini in Oxford rather than China, the government assured BMW that the 2030 deadline was definitely set in stone. 😂1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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When commentators talk about the UK government making the UK uninvestable, this is what they mean.rjsterry said:Have noticed that in the negotiations with BMW to build the new electric Mini in Oxford rather than China, the government assured BMW that the 2030 deadline was definitely set in stone. 😂
No coherence, no reliability that they will stick to what they've said they will do.0 -
Seems the proposals have been somewhat oversold.
So in reality, you will still technically be able to buy a new petrol car in 2031, but all the manufacturers will have probably binned production for a legacy product that has already been phasing out for the previous 6 years.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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"Serious leader" of "serious country" wangs on about imaginary laws and sorting your bin.
It's what Brexiters had in mind, i'm sure.
Edit: having said that, Pinno got very annoyed I was complaining about food bin smells after 2 weeks so perhaps Rishi recognises it winds people up.0 -
Hadn’t realised this. What a sh!tshow0 -
No longer relevant unless Labour get in and go back to the 2030 deadline. Then it'll be a lefty s**tshow.rick_chasey said:
Hadn’t realised this. What a sh!tshow"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Doesn't the fact you haven't made the switch to an EV resonate with you just a tiny bit?rick_chasey said:
Hadn’t realised this. What a sh!tshow
Why is it, price, the infrastructure, your currently happy with your own car?
Let the transition happen naturally and thank Musk for proving/making EV production viable in the first place. The car/Tesla was/is a good enough company to entice people into them in the first place.
Make brushless motors/batteries the salient option to power vehicles, or another technology if it's proven.
Or is this just about the Tories?
You've read Davey agrees with a bit of pragmatism?
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I apologise if it come across as not playing the ball. I'm just trying to understand why people who aren't there yet themselves are so keen to talk a good game.rick_chasey said:lol why so personal focus?
Relative to Humanities evolution five a hundred years is a blink of an eye. The Brushless motor/battery combination has been proven, let it sell it's self.
I mean, look at that efficiency, beautiful. No oil, no/low servicing, immediate torque...
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If you're interested in the practicalities, it's mainly because a) I regularly park my car a long way from the house, it's exclusively on-street parking (so you're not allowed to charge your car up from your house even in the unlikely event you are parked outside the house ) and b) I use the car so little anyway, the cost of buying a new car is not remotely worth it.focuszing723 said:
I apologise if it come across as not playing the ball. I'm just trying to understand why people who aren't there yet themselves are so keen to talk a good game.rick_chasey said:lol why so personal focus?
Relative to Humanities evolution five a hundred years is a blink of an eye. The Brushless motor/battery combination has been proven, let it sell it's self.
I mean, look at that efficiency, beautiful. No oil, no/low servicing, immediate torque...
For context, I spend more on trains per year than the car cost me when I bought it cash.
It's a very lowly powered car so I don't even pay any tax on it.0 -
There you go, completely fair. The EV infrastructure isn't ready for you yet. There needs to be more off street charging, hybrid cars or another technology to cater for that circumstance.rick_chasey said:
If you're interested in the practicalities, it's mainly because a) I regularly park my car a long way from the house, it's exclusively on-street parking (so you're not allowed to charge your car up from your house even in the unlikely event you are parked outside the house ) and b) I use the car so little anyway, the cost of buying a new car is not remotely worth it.focuszing723 said:
I apologise if it come across as not playing the ball. I'm just trying to understand why people who aren't there yet themselves are so keen to talk a good game.rick_chasey said:lol why so personal focus?
Relative to Humanities evolution five a hundred years is a blink of an eye. The Brushless motor/battery combination has been proven, let it sell it's self.
I mean, look at that efficiency, beautiful. No oil, no/low servicing, immediate torque...
For context, I spend more on trains per year than the car cost me when I bought it cash.
It's a very lowly powered car so I don't even pay any tax on it.
Someone in your circumstance shouldn't be forced into it.
See that's why I don't get why people aren't more understanding about some deadline, it's happening and there is a shift towards it.
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Cost is definitely an issue at the moment but the gap is closing fast. We replaced our old 2004 Peugeot about 7 years ago. Our budget meant new was not an option and at that point there was barely a market for second hand EVs (I looked). That's already changed significantly and I think it will accelerate. We'll probably need to replace before 2030, and by then I doubt there will be a premium on EVs. In the meantime, it gets used little enough to have moss on the cills and spiders living in the panel seams.focuszing723 said:
I apologise if it come across as not playing the ball. I'm just trying to understand why people who aren't there yet themselves are so keen to talk a good game.rick_chasey said:lol why so personal focus?
Relative to Humanities evolution five a hundred years is a blink of an eye. The Brushless motor/battery combination has been proven, let it sell it's self.
I mean, look at that efficiency, beautiful. No oil, no/low servicing, immediate torque...1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Yeah, for many people in the right circumstance it will just will make financial/practical sense and that's how it should be.rjsterry said:
Cost is definitely an issue at the moment but the gap is closing fast. We replaced our old 2004 Peugeot about 7 years ago. Our budget meant new was not an option and at that point there was barely a market for second hand EVs (I looked). That's already changed significantly and I think it will accelerate. We'll probably need to replace before 2030, and by then I doubt there will be a premium on EVs. In the meantime, it gets used little enough to have moss on the cills and spiders living in the panel seams.focuszing723 said:
I apologise if it come across as not playing the ball. I'm just trying to understand why people who aren't there yet themselves are so keen to talk a good game.rick_chasey said:lol why so personal focus?
Relative to Humanities evolution five a hundred years is a blink of an eye. The Brushless motor/battery combination has been proven, let it sell it's self.
I mean, look at that efficiency, beautiful. No oil, no/low servicing, immediate torque...0 -
The important bit was the 2030 deadline, which has moved manufacturers into offering those vehicles. Relaxing the deadline on just a small proportion of those sales is not actually going to change anything.focuszing723 said:
Yeah, for many people in the right circumstance it will just will make financial/practical sense and that's how it should be.rjsterry said:
Cost is definitely an issue at the moment but the gap is closing fast. We replaced our old 2004 Peugeot about 7 years ago. Our budget meant new was not an option and at that point there was barely a market for second hand EVs (I looked). That's already changed significantly and I think it will accelerate. We'll probably need to replace before 2030, and by then I doubt there will be a premium on EVs. In the meantime, it gets used little enough to have moss on the cills and spiders living in the panel seams.focuszing723 said:
I apologise if it come across as not playing the ball. I'm just trying to understand why people who aren't there yet themselves are so keen to talk a good game.rick_chasey said:lol why so personal focus?
Relative to Humanities evolution five a hundred years is a blink of an eye. The Brushless motor/battery combination has been proven, let it sell it's self.
I mean, look at that efficiency, beautiful. No oil, no/low servicing, immediate torque...1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Based on your FT article, I concur; however, it's alarming that he felt the need to make his speech appear to be against green stuff.rjsterry said:
The important bit was the 2030 deadline, which has moved manufacturers into offering those vehicles. Relaxing the deadline on just a small proportion of those sales is not actually going to change anything.focuszing723 said:
Yeah, for many people in the right circumstance it will just will make financial/practical sense and that's how it should be.rjsterry said:
Cost is definitely an issue at the moment but the gap is closing fast. We replaced our old 2004 Peugeot about 7 years ago. Our budget meant new was not an option and at that point there was barely a market for second hand EVs (I looked). That's already changed significantly and I think it will accelerate. We'll probably need to replace before 2030, and by then I doubt there will be a premium on EVs. In the meantime, it gets used little enough to have moss on the cills and spiders living in the panel seams.focuszing723 said:
I apologise if it come across as not playing the ball. I'm just trying to understand why people who aren't there yet themselves are so keen to talk a good game.rick_chasey said:lol why so personal focus?
Relative to Humanities evolution five a hundred years is a blink of an eye. The Brushless motor/battery combination has been proven, let it sell it's self.
I mean, look at that efficiency, beautiful. No oil, no/low servicing, immediate torque...0 -
Toyota seem happy with the deadline moving. Maybe because they're still pretty heavy on the "self charging hybrid".
Ford's EVs look massive.0
