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The whole premise of this survey is so arse about face that it's difficult to take seriously.rick_chasey said:
Half of people think that those on benefit shouldn’t necessarily be able to afford to “rent a house or flat”1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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What is it hoping to prove? What does it even mean that "someone" on out of work benefits should be able to rent a house? Is that one person being able to rent a house on their own anywhere?0
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26% think they shouldn't be able to afford food!rick_chasey said:
Half of people think that those on benefit shouldn’t necessarily be able to afford to “rent a house or flat”0 -
Are 26% of the population Tories? They'd be happy about the amount of food bank use then.Pross said:
26% think they shouldn't be able to afford food!rick_chasey said:
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TheBigBean said:
That's what a lot of music teachers say. The assumption is that everyone needs more confidence. It might be true for some, but others simply have no musical ability, so confidence isn't the issue.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
It's a valid point about PE, but maths isn't usually done in front of the whole class.First.Aspect said:
Some kids think that about PE. Or maths.TheBigBean said:School music lessons. Horrible things. Public humiliation.
The trick with the music is to be very sensitive to each one in the class - let those that want to hide in a group do so, and those that want to show off, ditto. Sometimes you have to be very patient, even with accomplished young players - it can take a year or two for them to build up the courage. It's nice when they do, and then decide they want to go to college and then do it for a living. Sometimes they just need that little nudge to go through the door you've opened for them.
At least with trombones you can make silly farty noises without any musical talent. But putting my professional hat on, I'd suggest that everyone has musical potential, as everyone is able to communicate verbally... just that with some it might be rather limited and takes a long time to access.
But if you measure yourself against professional or even just proficient musicians, you'll probably end up saying you're useless and give up (and that's an entirely understandable response). Even for someone who does it for a living, if I measure myself against the top pros, I feel like a fraud.0 -
This is the bit that annoys me about music teachers. No one is comparing themselves to professionals, they're comparing themselves to their peers.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
That's what a lot of music teachers say. The assumption is that everyone needs more confidence. It might be true for some, but others simply have no musical ability, so confidence isn't the issue.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
It's a valid point about PE, but maths isn't usually done in front of the whole class.First.Aspect said:
Some kids think that about PE. Or maths.TheBigBean said:School music lessons. Horrible things. Public humiliation.
The trick with the music is to be very sensitive to each one in the class - let those that want to hide in a group do so, and those that want to show off, ditto. Sometimes you have to be very patient, even with accomplished young players - it can take a year or two for them to build up the courage. It's nice when they do, and then decide they want to go to college and then do it for a living. Sometimes they just need that little nudge to go through the door you've opened for them.
At least with trombones you can make silly farty noises without any musical talent. But putting my professional hat on, I'd suggest that everyone has musical potential, as everyone is able to communicate verbally... just that with some it might be rather limited and takes a long time to access.
But if you measure yourself against professional or even just proficient musicians, you'll probably end up saying you're useless and give up (and that's an entirely understandable response). Even for someone who does it for a living, if I measure myself against the top pros, I feel like a fraud.
I think the PE analogy was the most appropriate.0 -
Personal opinion but I think all musicians and singers should be made to listen to a recording of themselves. That's what did it for me. Ears and hearing are a funny thing.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Were you any good or did it just confirm what people were trying to get you to understand?pblakeney said:Personal opinion but I think all musicians and singers should be made to listen to a recording of themselves. That's what did it for me. Ears and hearing are a funny thing.
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You do know that YouGov might be just a wee bit unbalanced? As in founded by claim taxpayer expenses to heat my stables superf-wit 'chancellor' (really?) Nadhim Zahawi? No?0
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We were young teenagers having playing about with a cassette recorder.First.Aspect said:
Were you any good or did it just confirm what people were trying to get you to understand?pblakeney said:Personal opinion but I think all musicians and singers should be made to listen to a recording of themselves. That's what did it for me. Ears and hearing are a funny thing.
I decided of my own accord to desist immediately.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
What a weird survey.Pross said:
26% think they shouldn't be able to afford food!rick_chasey said:
Half of people think that those on benefit shouldn’t necessarily be able to afford to “rent a house or flat”
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On the Duty changes
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Well, tax cuts for the super-rich means the funding £ has to come from somewhere else. Keep tuggin' yer forelocks ye serfs.0
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Whilst not claiming to be superiority could you point me in the direction of any tax cuts the blue rosette wearing lefties have implemented.orraloon said:Well, tax cuts for the super-rich means the funding £ has to come from somewhere else. Keep tuggin' yer forelocks ye serfs.
I have a theory that the problem with this country is that the serfs desperately seek out toffs to tug their forelock to.0 -
Beat me to it.surrey_commuter said:
Whilst not claiming to be superiority could you point me in the direction of any tax cuts the blue rosette wearing lefties have implemented.orraloon said:Well, tax cuts for the super-rich means the funding £ has to come from somewhere else. Keep tuggin' yer forelocks ye serfs.
I have a theory that the problem with this country is that the serfs desperately seek out toffs to tug their forelock to.
Which tax cuts are these, Loon?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Just call 55 Tufton St, they'll fill you in.0
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Either Tories have been taken over by the Green Party (which seems unlikely given Sunak's Just Pump Oil moves), or Tories are really trying to pretend they aren't what they are. Can't even find the word' Conservative' on any of these. Wonder why that might be?
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That'll be like all the 'whistleblowers' the Republicans keep on bringing in as witnesses to Congress who then promptly either don't exist or contradict whatever story the Republicans are trying to push.
The more this goes on, the more convinced I am that the Conservative Party is taking direct advice from the same people who advise Republicans - the hands of Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller could well be on the tiller.0 -
Jenrick has a long history of spurious statements on immigration. He's a bullshitter and nothing more.kingstongraham said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
he's a brexiter, all follows from thatrjsterry said:
Jenrick has a long history of spurious statements on immigration. He's a bullshitter and nothing more.kingstongraham said:
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
sungod said:
he's a brexiter, all follows from thatrjsterry said:
Jenrick has a long history of spurious statements on immigration. He's a bullshitter and nothing more.kingstongraham said:
I genuinely think that's the nub of it... once they've junked honest reflection (and honesty) to try to justify something so idiotic, it is but a small step to just say any old rubbish if it fits the agenda.0 -
I see the performatively stupid Anderson and co are talking bollox about immigration again.
I suppose one should marvel that the party has chosen to dig in on the policy on which almost nobody thinks they are succeeding. Still, when you have nothing else to say...1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
It's dishonest for the news to bowdlerise his comments. The deputy Conservative chairman said they should "fuck off back to France" and number 10 has confirmed they support his comments.rjsterry said:I see the performatively stupid Anderson and co are talking bollox about immigration again.
I suppose one should marvel that the party has chosen to dig in on the policy on which almost nobody thinks they are succeeding. Still, when you have nothing else to say...0 -
kingstongraham said:
It's dishonest for the news to bowdlerise his comments. The deputy Conservative chairman said they should "fuck off back to France" and number 10 has confirmed they support his comments.rjsterry said:I see the performatively stupid Anderson and co are talking bollox about immigration again.
I suppose one should marvel that the party has chosen to dig in on the policy on which almost nobody thinks they are succeeding. Still, when you have nothing else to say...
So only the PM supporting obscenity which was in support of a policy which is in flagrant breach of international law. What's the problem?0 -
It distracts from the f*** all that the PM and HS are doing about the situation. I guess there's a sense of fatalism that sets into any government that knows they should already be ordering archive boxes, but I don't recall quite such a sense of pointlessness in previous iterations.kingstongraham said:
It's dishonest for the news to bowdlerise his comments. The deputy Conservative chairman said they should "fuck off back to France" and number 10 has confirmed they support his comments.rjsterry said:I see the performatively stupid Anderson and co are talking bollox about immigration again.
I suppose one should marvel that the party has chosen to dig in on the policy on which almost nobody thinks they are succeeding. Still, when you have nothing else to say...1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I’d love an Andrew Neil/paxo style interview where they just keep asking Sunak why he’s the third PM since the last election and why the previous two had to step aside.
Just constantly. Over and over.
“Why did Johnson have to leave? Was it because he lied about having parties when he was demanding the rest of the country isolate and avoid face to face contact?”
“Why his replacement and the woman who beat you in the Tory leadership race last only 6 weeks?”
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Aligning himself with the EU to keep you happy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
It's dishonest for the news to bowdlerise his comments. The deputy Conservative chairman said they should "fuck off back to France" and number 10 has confirmed they support his comments.rjsterry said:I see the performatively stupid Anderson and co are talking bollox about immigration again.
I suppose one should marvel that the party has chosen to dig in on the policy on which almost nobody thinks they are succeeding. Still, when you have nothing else to say...
So only the PM supporting obscenity which was in support of a policy which is in flagrant breach of international law. What's the problem?
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They're indeed just as bad.TheBigBean said:
Aligning himself with the EU to keep you happy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
It's dishonest for the news to bowdlerise his comments. The deputy Conservative chairman said they should "fuck off back to France" and number 10 has confirmed they support his comments.rjsterry said:I see the performatively stupid Anderson and co are talking bollox about immigration again.
I suppose one should marvel that the party has chosen to dig in on the policy on which almost nobody thinks they are succeeding. Still, when you have nothing else to say...
So only the PM supporting obscenity which was in support of a policy which is in flagrant breach of international law. What's the problem?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Yes and clearly my point is irrelevant whataboutism, but I do find the endless cries about international law and EU superiority to be a bit tedious.rjsterry said:
They're indeed just as bad.TheBigBean said:
Aligning himself with the EU to keep you happy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:
It's dishonest for the news to bowdlerise his comments. The deputy Conservative chairman said they should "fuck off back to France" and number 10 has confirmed they support his comments.rjsterry said:I see the performatively stupid Anderson and co are talking bollox about immigration again.
I suppose one should marvel that the party has chosen to dig in on the policy on which almost nobody thinks they are succeeding. Still, when you have nothing else to say...
So only the PM supporting obscenity which was in support of a policy which is in flagrant breach of international law. What's the problem?1
