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There's about 30 years worth left, using today's extraction technology.rick_chasey said:Real energy security would be weaning us off an energy source Britain has more or less exhausted, no?
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Three things.rick_chasey said:Real energy security would be weaning us off an energy source Britain has more or less exhausted, no?
1. They are weaning us off but the alternatives are not ready yet.
2. There is decades of supply left.
3. Oil is used for more than energy. Where does plastic and carbon come from? Are there alternatives?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.2 -
Fair enough. Point remains. Renewables are secure. Putin can’t block the sun or stop the wind.First.Aspect said:
There's about 30 years worth left, using today's extraction technology.rick_chasey said:Real energy security would be weaning us off an energy source Britain has more or less exhausted, no?
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Not to mention the complete torybollox that a few extra licences will somehow isolate us from global oil pricesrick_chasey said:Real energy security would be weaning us off an energy source Britain has more or less exhausted, no?
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Furthermore, it just so happens the North sea is one of the most ideal places for offshore wind stuff. Relatively shallow, very windy, lots of other places to send the energy if you don't need it.
I do worry this party is squandering the window of opportunity for Britain to be a world leader in this.
Norway is all over it and is forcing its sovereign wealth fund (read oil money piggy bank) into investing in a tonne of it.
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Who's 'they'? The press is awash with nonsense opinion piece stories about how some guy they knew had an EV and it was AWFUL because he forgot to charge it. Or that their heat pump made them less attractive to women.pblakeney said:
Three things.rick_chasey said:Real energy security would be weaning us off an energy source Britain has more or less exhausted, no?
1. They are weaning us off but the alternatives are not ready yet.
2. There is decades of supply left.
3. Oil is used for more than energy. Where does plastic and carbon come from? Are there alternatives?
And yes those alternatives are ready right now.
Just the other day someone was trying to convince us that EVs weren't fast enough for an urban police service.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Isn't the main problem with heat pumps the fact that UK housing stock is so draughty and poorly insulated that they just won't work very effectively across large swathes of the country?rjsterry said:
Who's 'they'? The press is awash with nonsense opinion piece stories about how some guy they knew had an EV and it was AWFUL because he forgot to charge it. Or that their heat pump made them less attractive to women.pblakeney said:
Three things.rick_chasey said:Real energy security would be weaning us off an energy source Britain has more or less exhausted, no?
1. They are weaning us off but the alternatives are not ready yet.
2. There is decades of supply left.
3. Oil is used for more than energy. Where does plastic and carbon come from? Are there alternatives?
Just the other day someone was trying to convince us that EVs weren't fast enough for an urban police service.0 -
It is also of course worth pointing out that oil left in the ground doesn't contribute to greenhouse gasses. Obvious as it may seem, some people seem to forget this.1
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And this is all because of Uxbridge.0
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The heat pumps are fine. It's the housing stock that's a joke. You can just get a bigger heat pump, but that requires planning permission and...rick_chasey said:
Isn't the main problem with heat pumps the fact that UK housing stock is so draughty and poorly insulated that they just won't work very effectively across large swathes of the country?rjsterry said:
Who's 'they'? The press is awash with nonsense opinion piece stories about how some guy they knew had an EV and it was AWFUL because he forgot to charge it. Or that their heat pump made them less attractive to women.pblakeney said:
Three things.rick_chasey said:Real energy security would be weaning us off an energy source Britain has more or less exhausted, no?
1. They are weaning us off but the alternatives are not ready yet.
2. There is decades of supply left.
3. Oil is used for more than energy. Where does plastic and carbon come from? Are there alternatives?
Just the other day someone was trying to convince us that EVs weren't fast enough for an urban police service.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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The government?rjsterry said:
Who's 'they'? ...pblakeney said:
Three things.rick_chasey said:Real energy security would be weaning us off an energy source Britain has more or less exhausted, no?
1. They are weaning us off but the alternatives are not ready yet.
2. There is decades of supply left.
3. Oil is used for more than energy. Where does plastic and carbon come from? Are there alternatives?
And yes those alternatives are ready right now.
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I may be wrong but I thought the current level of nuclear, wind and solar was insufficient enough to cope with high demand.
Demand could be reduced but not without cost which we have seen the electorate do not like.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It is a fact that Dale Vince, a major funder of JSO, also makes substantial donations to the Labour party. Would you not consider that a link?Pross said:
I wonder how long it will be until it is a ‘fact’ that Just Stop Oil are linked to the Labour Party. Another example of Trumpian tactics that need stamping out.briantrumpet said:Whoever did this ought to learn the difference in British English between 'license' (verb) and licence (noun). (As with practice/practise, check with 'advice' and 'advise' if in doubt.) Still, the Tories screwing up English is probably the least of our/their worries.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Given his business is renewable energy production, mainly solar and wind, what do you think his motives are and what's your beef with them?Stevo_666 said:
It is a fact that Dale Vince, a major funder of JSO, also makes substantial donations to the Labour party. Would you not consider that a link?Pross said:
I wonder how long it will be until it is a ‘fact’ that Just Stop Oil are linked to the Labour Party. Another example of Trumpian tactics that need stamping out.briantrumpet said:Whoever did this ought to learn the difference in British English between 'license' (verb) and licence (noun). (As with practice/practise, check with 'advice' and 'advise' if in doubt.) Still, the Tories screwing up English is probably the least of our/their worries.
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Where did I say beef? I'm asking Pross whether he considers that the above fact pattern a link.rick_chasey said:
Given his business is renewable energy production, mainly solar and wind, what do you think his motives are and what's your beef with them?Stevo_666 said:
It is a fact that Dale Vince, a major funder of JSO, also makes substantial donations to the Labour party. Would you not consider that a link?Pross said:
I wonder how long it will be until it is a ‘fact’ that Just Stop Oil are linked to the Labour Party. Another example of Trumpian tactics that need stamping out.briantrumpet said:Whoever did this ought to learn the difference in British English between 'license' (verb) and licence (noun). (As with practice/practise, check with 'advice' and 'advise' if in doubt.) Still, the Tories screwing up English is probably the least of our/their worries.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Would you consider the Conservative party to be the political wing of Sheriff Global Group and AML Global?Stevo_666 said:
It is a fact that Dale Vince, a major funder of JSO, also makes substantial donations to the Labour party. Would you not consider that a link?Pross said:
I wonder how long it will be until it is a ‘fact’ that Just Stop Oil are linked to the Labour Party. Another example of Trumpian tactics that need stamping out.briantrumpet said:Whoever did this ought to learn the difference in British English between 'license' (verb) and licence (noun). (As with practice/practise, check with 'advice' and 'advise' if in doubt.) Still, the Tories screwing up English is probably the least of our/their worries.
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*Everything* costs. However reducing demand saves people money in the long termpblakeney said:
The government?rjsterry said:
Who's 'they'? ...pblakeney said:
Three things.rick_chasey said:Real energy security would be weaning us off an energy source Britain has more or less exhausted, no?
1. They are weaning us off but the alternatives are not ready yet.
2. There is decades of supply left.
3. Oil is used for more than energy. Where does plastic and carbon come from? Are there alternatives?
And yes those alternatives are ready right now.
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I may be wrong but I thought the current level of nuclear, wind and solar was insufficient enough to cope with high demand.
Demand could be reduced but not without cost which we have seen the electorate do not like.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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No more of a link than any other businesses that donate heavily to all parties. None of them are in any position to start throwing shade about each others' more controversial supporters. The whole thing is exactly what everyone else said would happen after Starmer ok'd those silly attack ads earlier this year. Now we have a competition to see which politician can say the most moronic thing in a tweet.Stevo_666 said:
It is a fact that Dale Vince, a major funder of JSO, also makes substantial donations to the Labour party. Would you not consider that a link?Pross said:
I wonder how long it will be until it is a ‘fact’ that Just Stop Oil are linked to the Labour Party. Another example of Trumpian tactics that need stamping out.briantrumpet said:Whoever did this ought to learn the difference in British English between 'license' (verb) and licence (noun). (As with practice/practise, check with 'advice' and 'advise' if in doubt.) Still, the Tories screwing up English is probably the least of our/their worries.
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I'm asking Pross about whether he considers the above a link. Not interested in whataboutery here.kingstongraham said:
Would you consider the Conservative party to be the political wing of Sheriff Global Group and AML Global?Stevo_666 said:
It is a fact that Dale Vince, a major funder of JSO, also makes substantial donations to the Labour party. Would you not consider that a link?Pross said:
I wonder how long it will be until it is a ‘fact’ that Just Stop Oil are linked to the Labour Party. Another example of Trumpian tactics that need stamping out.briantrumpet said:Whoever did this ought to learn the difference in British English between 'license' (verb) and licence (noun). (As with practice/practise, check with 'advice' and 'advise' if in doubt.) Still, the Tories screwing up English is probably the least of our/their worries.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Maybe he's just backing the party most likely to win. 😁Stevo_666 said:
I'm asking Pross about whether he considers the above a link. Not interested in whataboutery here.kingstongraham said:
Would you consider the Conservative party to be the political wing of Sheriff Global Group and AML Global?Stevo_666 said:
It is a fact that Dale Vince, a major funder of JSO, also makes substantial donations to the Labour party. Would you not consider that a link?Pross said:
I wonder how long it will be until it is a ‘fact’ that Just Stop Oil are linked to the Labour Party. Another example of Trumpian tactics that need stamping out.briantrumpet said:Whoever did this ought to learn the difference in British English between 'license' (verb) and licence (noun). (As with practice/practise, check with 'advice' and 'advise' if in doubt.) Still, the Tories screwing up English is probably the least of our/their worries.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
It felt like you were agreeing with the phrasing in Grant Shapps tweet. Happy to be put right.Stevo_666 said:
I'm asking Pross about whether he considers the above a link. Not interested in whataboutery here.kingstongraham said:
Would you consider the Conservative party to be the political wing of Sheriff Global Group and AML Global?Stevo_666 said:
It is a fact that Dale Vince, a major funder of JSO, also makes substantial donations to the Labour party. Would you not consider that a link?Pross said:
I wonder how long it will be until it is a ‘fact’ that Just Stop Oil are linked to the Labour Party. Another example of Trumpian tactics that need stamping out.briantrumpet said:Whoever did this ought to learn the difference in British English between 'license' (verb) and licence (noun). (As with practice/practise, check with 'advice' and 'advise' if in doubt.) Still, the Tories screwing up English is probably the least of our/their worries.
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I'm always disappointed with how cheaply political parties sell themselves.0
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I totally agree.rjsterry said:
*Everything* costs. However reducing demand saves people money in the long termpblakeney said:
The government?rjsterry said:
Who's 'they'? ...pblakeney said:
Three things.rick_chasey said:Real energy security would be weaning us off an energy source Britain has more or less exhausted, no?
1. They are weaning us off but the alternatives are not ready yet.
2. There is decades of supply left.
3. Oil is used for more than energy. Where does plastic and carbon come from? Are there alternatives?
And yes those alternatives are ready right now.
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I may be wrong but I thought the current level of nuclear, wind and solar was insufficient enough to cope with high demand.
Demand could be reduced but not without cost which we have seen the electorate do not like.
Nothing is going to change for the better with a looming election though. #buyvotesThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
To be fair, the energy minister at the time and current party chairman tried to dispel that myth last year.rjsterry said:
Not to mention the complete torybollox that a few extra licences will somehow isolate us from global oil pricesrick_chasey said:Real energy security would be weaning us off an energy source Britain has more or less exhausted, no?
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Read my question to Pross - I used the word 'link'.kingstongraham said:
It felt like you were agreeing with the phrasing in Grant Shapps tweet. Happy to be put right.Stevo_666 said:
I'm asking Pross about whether he considers the above a link. Not interested in whataboutery here.kingstongraham said:
Would you consider the Conservative party to be the political wing of Sheriff Global Group and AML Global?Stevo_666 said:
It is a fact that Dale Vince, a major funder of JSO, also makes substantial donations to the Labour party. Would you not consider that a link?Pross said:
I wonder how long it will be until it is a ‘fact’ that Just Stop Oil are linked to the Labour Party. Another example of Trumpian tactics that need stamping out.briantrumpet said:Whoever did this ought to learn the difference in British English between 'license' (verb) and licence (noun). (As with practice/practise, check with 'advice' and 'advise' if in doubt.) Still, the Tories screwing up English is probably the least of our/their worries.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Any more deflection attempts on behalf of Pross, get 'em in now
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Great, so we're agreed that Labour is not the political wing of Just Stop Oil.Stevo_666 said:
Read my question to Pross - I used the word 'link'.kingstongraham said:
It felt like you were agreeing with the phrasing in Grant Shapps tweet. Happy to be put right.Stevo_666 said:
I'm asking Pross about whether he considers the above a link. Not interested in whataboutery here.kingstongraham said:
Would you consider the Conservative party to be the political wing of Sheriff Global Group and AML Global?Stevo_666 said:
It is a fact that Dale Vince, a major funder of JSO, also makes substantial donations to the Labour party. Would you not consider that a link?Pross said:
I wonder how long it will be until it is a ‘fact’ that Just Stop Oil are linked to the Labour Party. Another example of Trumpian tactics that need stamping out.briantrumpet said:Whoever did this ought to learn the difference in British English between 'license' (verb) and licence (noun). (As with practice/practise, check with 'advice' and 'advise' if in doubt.) Still, the Tories screwing up English is probably the least of our/their worries.
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Is there a link between the Tories and the Saudi regime? Just asking if there's a link Stevo, nothing more.0
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Odd then that 7 or the 9 (and 11 of the 15) largest offshore wind farms are in UK waters.......rick_chasey said:Furthermore, it just so happens the North sea is one of the most ideal places for offshore wind stuff. Relatively shallow, very windy, lots of other places to send the energy if you don't need it.
I do worry this party is squandering the window of opportunity for Britain to be a world leader in this.
Norway is all over it and is forcing its sovereign wealth fund (read oil money piggy bank) into investing in a tonne of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms
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It's the opposite of odd. We already have the expertise. Let's double down!Dorset_Boy said:
Odd then that 7 or the 9 (and 11 of the 15) largest offshore wind farms are in UK waters.......rick_chasey said:Furthermore, it just so happens the North sea is one of the most ideal places for offshore wind stuff. Relatively shallow, very windy, lots of other places to send the energy if you don't need it.
I do worry this party is squandering the window of opportunity for Britain to be a world leader in this.
Norway is all over it and is forcing its sovereign wealth fund (read oil money piggy bank) into investing in a tonne of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms
Why is the PM not bragging about this mm?0 -
This is a forum. You can always PM Pross if you want to have a private conversation.Stevo_666 said:Any more deflection attempts on behalf of Pross, get 'em in now
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0
