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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2023
    Could be worse. Biotech has sleep walked into being able to genetically engineer babies and 75 years ago physicists trying to end a war figured out how to destroy the planet.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    If AI means a lot of the menial stuff can be done automatically then so much the better.

    There are tonnes of complaints about too many people working bullish!t jobs > hopefully AI will relieve us of the burden.

    Isn’t the issue that AI could take on the role of more skilled jobs and that the work it will leave behind is the more menial stuff that requires human input? I think that’s where it differs to previous mechanisation (previous technology has also created highly skilled jobs it its design and manufacture plus the maintenance side).
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Possibly.

    IRL my limited experience is AI is quite good at automatically populating data
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited June 2023
    I get that AI is just coming about when there is the highest proportion ever of old people who need looking after, and obviously there is limited scope for improving the effectiveness of those jobs

    Luckily our great leaders are really focused on enabling those of working age to maximise their poten…oh never mind.
  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,123
    90 day suspension :D
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    Programmers should be very worried about AI - or at least working out how to make use of it. For a lot of tasks, the skill is going to be in priming the prompt to get the best answer rather than knowing how to code.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,569

    I get that AI is just coming about when there is the highest proportion ever of old people who need looking after, and obviously there is limited scope for improving the effectiveness of those jobs

    Luckily our great leaders are really focused on enabling those of working age to maximise their poten…oh never mind.

    Need a butt and dribble wiping bot!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    I get that AI is just coming about when there is the highest proportion ever of old people who need looking after, and obviously there is limited scope for improving the effectiveness of those jobs

    Luckily our great leaders are really focused on enabling those of working age to maximise their poten…oh never mind.

    Need a butt and dribble wiping bot!
    The oldies too ;)
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,821

    90 day suspension :D

    I was wondering what that had to do with AI, then remembered which thread this is :D
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154

    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
    It takes the actual nuts and bolts of coding out of the equation. Essentially if you can write a detailed functional requirements document, AI can do the rest. Still need someone to analyse and determine requirements though. Shifts the balance away from specialist houses.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,569
    Seems Boris would have had much less than 90 days suspension, but more than 10 days, had he kept his gob shut over the last week or so!

    Seems the report is pretty damning, though the findings won't come as a surprise to many given history history with the truth!
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190

    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
    It takes the actual nuts and bolts of coding out of the equation. Essentially if you can write a detailed functional requirements document, AI can do the rest. Still need someone to analyse and determine requirements though. Shifts the balance away from specialist houses.
    This basically. So you still need people with knowledge about the software and business process.

    But fewer of them can do more work.
  • Seems Boris would have had much less than 90 days suspension, but more than 10 days, had he kept his gob shut over the last week or so!

    Seems the report is pretty damning, though the findings won't come as a surprise to many given history history with the truth!

    There's more than a hint of the approach taken against Lance Armstrong here. USADA knew that Lance was highly unlikely to go to court to get a life ban reduced to 8 years etc. as once in court, he would have been under oath and unable to control the line of questioning. I read various sources that argued that the USADA sanction was unduly harsh, despite Lance's utter tw*ttishness and thus potentially reducible.

    The privileges Cttee knew that Boris would never subject himself to the indignities of a HoC process to try and clear his name, as in such a process he'd be required to be truthful, so they could "throw him under the bus". The Lab and SNP members of the Cttee proposed expulsion from the HoC, but the Tory members would only go as far as a 90 day suspension (which is still a remarkable kick in the nadgers to their erstwhile "World King").
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,921
    morstar said:

    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
    It takes the actual nuts and bolts of coding out of the equation. Essentially if you can write a detailed functional requirements document, AI can do the rest. Still need someone to analyse and determine requirements though. Shifts the balance away from specialist houses.
    This basically. So you still need people with knowledge about the software and business process.

    But fewer of them can do more work.
    Doesn't it just become another language?
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,231

    Seems Boris would have had much less than 90 days suspension, but more than 10 days, had he kept his gob shut over the last week or so!

    Seems the report is pretty damning, though the findings won't come as a surprise to many given history history with the truth!


  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited June 2023

    Seems Boris would have had much less than 90 days suspension, but more than 10 days, had he kept his gob shut over the last week or so!

    Seems the report is pretty damning, though the findings won't come as a surprise to many given history history with the truth!

    As ever the cover up is worse than the crime.

    If he’s just fessed up at the start, said it just shows the excellence of the British Public that they have more self control and that it was a humbling lesson blah blah, he’d still be PM

    (Or of course, just not have done it)
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,575
    I for one am absolutely loving the Blue on Blue kicking off. The more halfwits who lash themselves to the sinking raft of Johnson's ego the better.

    And Dorries presuming to tell people what a true Conservative is is just 👨‍🍳😘
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    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    edited June 2023

    morstar said:

    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
    It takes the actual nuts and bolts of coding out of the equation. Essentially if you can write a detailed functional requirements document, AI can do the rest. Still need someone to analyse and determine requirements though. Shifts the balance away from specialist houses.
    This basically. So you still need people with knowledge about the software and business process.

    But fewer of them can do more work.
    Doesn't it just become another language?
    From the limited experiments I've done with the system/language I know most about, if I prompt ChatGPT with "write a report that displays sales orders created in the last 5 days that are not rejected and are relevant for delivery but have not started the delivery process", it will write the code (and did it correctly, with decent naming conventions). And give an explanation of what it had done.

    For more complex requirements, I'd need to specify more details of what I needed, obviously, and I would need to know what to ask for. But it's functional language, not technical.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,921

    morstar said:

    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
    It takes the actual nuts and bolts of coding out of the equation. Essentially if you can write a detailed functional requirements document, AI can do the rest. Still need someone to analyse and determine requirements though. Shifts the balance away from specialist houses.
    This basically. So you still need people with knowledge about the software and business process.

    But fewer of them can do more work.
    Doesn't it just become another language?
    From the limited experiments I've done with the system/language I know most about, if I prompt ChatGPT with "write a report that displays sales orders created in the last 5 days that are not rejected and are relevant for delivery but have not started the delivery process", it will write the code (and did it correctly, with decent naming conventions). And give an explanation of what it had done.

    For more complex requirements, I'd need to specify more details of what I needed, obviously, and I would need to know what to ask for. But it's functional language, not technical.
    Sounds quite useful. I asked it which restaurants were airside at CDG. It just made stuff up.

  • morstar said:

    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
    It takes the actual nuts and bolts of coding out of the equation. Essentially if you can write a detailed functional requirements document, AI can do the rest. Still need someone to analyse and determine requirements though. Shifts the balance away from specialist houses.
    This basically. So you still need people with knowledge about the software and business process.

    But fewer of them can do more work.
    Doesn't it just become another language?
    From the limited experiments I've done with the system/language I know most about, if I prompt ChatGPT with "write a report that displays sales orders created in the last 5 days that are not rejected and are relevant for delivery but have not started the delivery process", it will write the code (and did it correctly, with decent naming conventions). And give an explanation of what it had done.

    For more complex requirements, I'd need to specify more details of what I needed, obviously, and I would need to know what to ask for. But it's functional language, not technical.
    Sounds quite useful. I asked it which restaurants were airside at CDG. It just made stuff up.

    With my optimistic hat on re employment levels, I foresee a world where x people have been made unemployed after being replaced by ChatGPT, but 2x people are then needed to check ChatGPT's outputs.

  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,575

    morstar said:

    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
    It takes the actual nuts and bolts of coding out of the equation. Essentially if you can write a detailed functional requirements document, AI can do the rest. Still need someone to analyse and determine requirements though. Shifts the balance away from specialist houses.
    This basically. So you still need people with knowledge about the software and business process.

    But fewer of them can do more work.
    Doesn't it just become another language?
    From the limited experiments I've done with the system/language I know most about, if I prompt ChatGPT with "write a report that displays sales orders created in the last 5 days that are not rejected and are relevant for delivery but have not started the delivery process", it will write the code (and did it correctly, with decent naming conventions). And give an explanation of what it had done.

    For more complex requirements, I'd need to specify more details of what I needed, obviously, and I would need to know what to ask for. But it's functional language, not technical.
    Sounds quite useful. I asked it which restaurants were airside at CDG. It just made stuff up.

    With my optimistic hat on re employment levels, I foresee a world where x people have been made unemployed after being replaced by ChatGPT, but 2x people are then needed to check ChatGPT's outputs.

    If it's outputs cannot be relied upon for factual accuracy (and that's my experience, too) then I'm not sure how it improves productivity.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,921
    rjsterry said:

    morstar said:

    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
    It takes the actual nuts and bolts of coding out of the equation. Essentially if you can write a detailed functional requirements document, AI can do the rest. Still need someone to analyse and determine requirements though. Shifts the balance away from specialist houses.
    This basically. So you still need people with knowledge about the software and business process.

    But fewer of them can do more work.
    Doesn't it just become another language?
    From the limited experiments I've done with the system/language I know most about, if I prompt ChatGPT with "write a report that displays sales orders created in the last 5 days that are not rejected and are relevant for delivery but have not started the delivery process", it will write the code (and did it correctly, with decent naming conventions). And give an explanation of what it had done.

    For more complex requirements, I'd need to specify more details of what I needed, obviously, and I would need to know what to ask for. But it's functional language, not technical.
    Sounds quite useful. I asked it which restaurants were airside at CDG. It just made stuff up.

    With my optimistic hat on re employment levels, I foresee a world where x people have been made unemployed after being replaced by ChatGPT, but 2x people are then needed to check ChatGPT's outputs.

    If it's outputs cannot be relied upon for factual accuracy (and that's my experience, too) then I'm not sure how it improves productivity.
    The next generations are supposed to be better.
  • rjsterry said:

    morstar said:

    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
    It takes the actual nuts and bolts of coding out of the equation. Essentially if you can write a detailed functional requirements document, AI can do the rest. Still need someone to analyse and determine requirements though. Shifts the balance away from specialist houses.
    This basically. So you still need people with knowledge about the software and business process.

    But fewer of them can do more work.
    Doesn't it just become another language?
    From the limited experiments I've done with the system/language I know most about, if I prompt ChatGPT with "write a report that displays sales orders created in the last 5 days that are not rejected and are relevant for delivery but have not started the delivery process", it will write the code (and did it correctly, with decent naming conventions). And give an explanation of what it had done.

    For more complex requirements, I'd need to specify more details of what I needed, obviously, and I would need to know what to ask for. But it's functional language, not technical.
    Sounds quite useful. I asked it which restaurants were airside at CDG. It just made stuff up.

    With my optimistic hat on re employment levels, I foresee a world where x people have been made unemployed after being replaced by ChatGPT, but 2x people are then needed to check ChatGPT's outputs.

    If it's outputs cannot be relied upon for factual accuracy (and that's my experience, too) then I'm not sure how it improves productivity.
    I was being slightly tongue in cheek, but during my professional life so much number crunching has been automated that you'd think there would be no need for human number crunchers any more. Yet there are veritable armies of number crunchers who find ways to do analysis that previous wasn't possible, or even conceived of. This new analysis then gets automated, and the cycle repeats itself.

    Whether this is a good thing for society is an open question. After all, the "quants" having too much spare time in the run up to the financial crisis led to them blowing up the banking system, but in terms of employment, the threat of automation is not necessarily going to be a problem.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    rjsterry said:

    morstar said:

    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
    It takes the actual nuts and bolts of coding out of the equation. Essentially if you can write a detailed functional requirements document, AI can do the rest. Still need someone to analyse and determine requirements though. Shifts the balance away from specialist houses.
    This basically. So you still need people with knowledge about the software and business process.

    But fewer of them can do more work.
    Doesn't it just become another language?
    From the limited experiments I've done with the system/language I know most about, if I prompt ChatGPT with "write a report that displays sales orders created in the last 5 days that are not rejected and are relevant for delivery but have not started the delivery process", it will write the code (and did it correctly, with decent naming conventions). And give an explanation of what it had done.

    For more complex requirements, I'd need to specify more details of what I needed, obviously, and I would need to know what to ask for. But it's functional language, not technical.
    Sounds quite useful. I asked it which restaurants were airside at CDG. It just made stuff up.

    With my optimistic hat on re employment levels, I foresee a world where x people have been made unemployed after being replaced by ChatGPT, but 2x people are then needed to check ChatGPT's outputs.

    If it's outputs cannot be relied upon for factual accuracy (and that's my experience, too) then I'm not sure how it improves productivity.
    I was being slightly tongue in cheek, but during my professional life so much number crunching has been automated that you'd think there would be no need for human number crunchers any more. Yet there are veritable armies of number crunchers who find ways to do analysis that previous wasn't possible, or even conceived of. This new analysis then gets automated, and the cycle repeats itself.

    Whether this is a good thing for society is an open question. After all, the "quants" having too much spare time in the run up to the financial crisis led to them blowing up the banking system, but in terms of employment, the threat of automation is not necessarily going to be a problem.
    (Quants didn’t blow up the banking system and there are still an absolute tonne of them in banking.)
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Sunak claiming wages are growing faster than ever is a big disingenuous when inflation is even higher.
  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,123

    90 day suspension :D

    I was wondering what that had to do with AI, then remembered which thread this is :D
    That would be the AI bots diverting the attention away from the miserable liar.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rjsterry said:

    morstar said:

    morstar said:

    My job is skilled but 100% in the firing line of Microsoft and AI.

    This is plainly obvious to me but many people in the same industry don’t agree. I think they’re very naive.

    So I help businesses implement business software. Microsoft is deskilling every single aspect of the work in a clear and visible way. I don’t think this is a bad thing. They are also introducing AI to help configure the software.

    Their aim is to make it quicker and easier to setup the software with less reliance on partner organisations like the ones I work for. They want more customers quicker and to reduce reliance on 3rd parties. It all makes perfect business sense.

    Personally, I still think business expertise is an essential part but my role is massively decreased to key areas where I can actually add value. There will be a fraction of the people currently doing my role in years to come. The only question on my mind is how quickly it all happens. I am making a point of being ahead of the game in breadth of knowledge. Many aren’t.

    Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t you just shift to implementing AI as opposed to software?
    It takes the actual nuts and bolts of coding out of the equation. Essentially if you can write a detailed functional requirements document, AI can do the rest. Still need someone to analyse and determine requirements though. Shifts the balance away from specialist houses.
    This basically. So you still need people with knowledge about the software and business process.

    But fewer of them can do more work.
    Doesn't it just become another language?
    From the limited experiments I've done with the system/language I know most about, if I prompt ChatGPT with "write a report that displays sales orders created in the last 5 days that are not rejected and are relevant for delivery but have not started the delivery process", it will write the code (and did it correctly, with decent naming conventions). And give an explanation of what it had done.

    For more complex requirements, I'd need to specify more details of what I needed, obviously, and I would need to know what to ask for. But it's functional language, not technical.
    Sounds quite useful. I asked it which restaurants were airside at CDG. It just made stuff up.

    With my optimistic hat on re employment levels, I foresee a world where x people have been made unemployed after being replaced by ChatGPT, but 2x people are then needed to check ChatGPT's outputs.

    If it's outputs cannot be relied upon for factual accuracy (and that's my experience, too) then I'm not sure how it improves productivity.
    Even with CAD design packages of the past 20 odd year in my line of work and, no doubt, yours there has been an element of users accepting the output without being able to cast an eye over the results and sense check. It makes me worry about what will happen when AI becomes more prevalent.