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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090

    https://www.pragcap.com/everything-wrong-with-the-money-printer-go-brrrr-meme/

    So a lot of you have voiced concerned about the inflationary pressure of QE, despite the evidence from the last decade.

    Here's an American article (same logic, just different names for entities) describing why QE isn't inflationary (and is in fact about fiscal policy)

    Who is that? It reads like nonsense.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    How is it nonsense? it's a fairly readable explanation of what actually happens.


    He's a published writer on these kinds of topics.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090

    How is it nonsense? it's a fairly readable explanation of what actually happens.


    He's a published writer on these kinds of topics.

    Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Haha ok.

  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    My unique understanding of the monetary system and financial markets has allowed me to provide contrarian and valuable insights in a world that is filled with opaque salesmanship.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    If you want to provide evidence that QE is actually inflationary I'd love to see it.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited May 2021
    After having his main advisor (who he wanted to keep on so much that he compromised coronavirus rules compliance) tell MPs that he is chaotic and unfit to be prime minister, Johnson is.....meeting Orban.

  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    edited May 2021

    If you want to provide evidence that QE is actually inflationary I'd love to see it.

    It's not that bad. Market implation inflation forwards. If you disagree take a position.


  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    Here's a graph putting the amount of QE in perspective, and historic inflation.


  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    And here's a graph of M4 increase each year. Note how the QE after the financial crash prevents it from crashing. At the time, banks held on to the cash because their reserves were severely depleted by the crash, new requirements were brought in and they were really not in a position to lend. None of that is the case this time, so it is not a great example to use when considering the impact of QE. That doesn't mean inflation will go wild, the M4 increase is still not that great, but more inflation remains a possibility.


  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,625
    Just me that thinks most will go on a spending splurge once the shackles are off then?
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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,678
    pblakeney said:

    Just me that thinks most will go on a spending splurge once the shackles are off then?

    Given how busy local tradesmen seem to be currently, my anecdotal non evidence would suggest those who are cash flush have been spending their resturant and holidays budget on home improvement.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    And here's a graph of M4 increase each year. Note how the QE after the financial crash prevents it from crashing. At the time, banks held on to the cash because their reserves were severely depleted by the crash, new requirements were brought in and they were really not in a position to lend. None of that is the case this time, so it is not a great example to use when considering the impact of QE. That doesn't mean inflation will go wild, the M4 increase is still not that great, but more inflation remains a possibility.


    Im not saying (in this instance) more inflation is not possible but that QE on its own is not the cause as the mechanism (as explained in the article) does not generate higher prices.

    Most senior economists agree QE across the western world had not caused a material increase in inflation.

  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Jezyboy said:

    pblakeney said:

    Just me that thinks most will go on a spending splurge once the shackles are off then?

    Given how busy local tradesmen seem to be currently, my anecdotal non evidence would suggest those who are cash flush have been spending their resturant and holidays budget on home improvement.
    Indeed. For all this talk of people going out again and splurging what restaurants and bars etc have lost that can not be recovered is time. For all the days closed they can't just magically produce extra tables to supply meals that were never eaten and likewise those going out can not eat and drink twice as much to make up for lost business. The spare cash is already being spent on other goods and services from what I can tell.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,625
    edited May 2021

    Jezyboy said:

    pblakeney said:

    Just me that thinks most will go on a spending splurge once the shackles are off then?

    Given how busy local tradesmen seem to be currently, my anecdotal non evidence would suggest those who are cash flush have been spending their resturant and holidays budget on home improvement.
    Indeed. For all this talk of people going out again and splurging what restaurants and bars etc have lost that can not be recovered is time. For all the days closed they can't just magically produce extra tables to supply meals that were never eaten and likewise those going out can not eat and drink twice as much to make up for lost business. The spare cash is already being spent on other goods and services from what I can tell.
    Must be different circles. All I hear is people planning to go to this restaurant, that restaurant, this pub, that pub, this place on holiday and got to get back there...
    What you are talking about is people spending what they would have last year, just on different things. I read it as people are going to celebrate the recovered freedom in spades.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090

    Jezyboy said:

    pblakeney said:

    Just me that thinks most will go on a spending splurge once the shackles are off then?

    Given how busy local tradesmen seem to be currently, my anecdotal non evidence would suggest those who are cash flush have been spending their resturant and holidays budget on home improvement.
    Indeed. For all this talk of people going out again and splurging what restaurants and bars etc have lost that can not be recovered is time. For all the days closed they can't just magically produce extra tables to supply meals that were never eaten and likewise those going out can not eat and drink twice as much to make up for lost business. The spare cash is already being spent on other goods and services from what I can tell.
    People can eat out more and spend more, so restaurants will be busier mid-week.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,922
    Jezyboy said:

    pblakeney said:

    Just me that thinks most will go on a spending splurge once the shackles are off then?

    Given how busy local tradesmen seem to be currently, my anecdotal non evidence would suggest those who are cash flush have been spending their resturant and holidays budget on home improvement.
    Correct.
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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,678
    Part of me also thinks the celebrations coming out are going to be slightly muted

    Lost loved ones, spectre of a 4th wave, lots of lost jobs.

  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited May 2021
    pblakeney said:

    Jezyboy said:

    pblakeney said:

    Just me that thinks most will go on a spending splurge once the shackles are off then?

    Given how busy local tradesmen seem to be currently, my anecdotal non evidence would suggest those who are cash flush have been spending their resturant and holidays budget on home improvement.
    Indeed. For all this talk of people going out again and splurging what restaurants and bars etc have lost that can not be recovered is time. For all the days closed they can't just magically produce extra tables to supply meals that were never eaten and likewise those going out can not eat and drink twice as much to make up for lost business. The spare cash is already being spent on other goods and services from what I can tell.
    Must be different circles. All I hear is people planning to go to this restaurant, that restaurant, this pub, that pub, this place on holiday and got to get back there...
    What you are talking about is people spending what they would have last year, just on different things. I read it as people are going to celebrate the recovered freedom in spades.
    No-one my age is really thinking that far ahead to be honest. Still August & later for most of us getting the 2nd jab. The idea of "celebrating" seems a long way off. It's lots of "We should do something in Sept/Oct" at least amongst my circle of friends and colleagues.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    are people really going out to celebrate? I just see a gradual return to normality as people recalibrate the risk
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,669

    are people really going out to celebrate? I just see a gradual return to normality as people recalibrate the risk

    I agree, it's not exactly VE day is it. More like, we got most of the enemy but they are still all over the country - head out but keep an eye over your shoulder.
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    I think it's overblown by the newspapers, with the opening of retail there were queues for a few shops in the city centre on the local TV news but I was told a week later it was fairly dead again.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660

    I think it's overblown by the newspapers, with the opening of retail there were queues for a few shops in the city centre on the local TV news but I was told a week later it was fairly dead again.

    I cycled through the centre of town last weekend - that was as busy as pre-pandemic (mainly under 30 to be honest) but there weren't many queues outside of shops and given the fairly strict limits to the number of people in shops I can't imagine they were all splashing the cash.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,922
    At the same time we are asked to believe that Johnson was unaware that someone else had stepped in and settled the bill for his fiancé's interior design tastes *without him realising*. It almost makes Cummings claim of an eye test seem plausible.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    rjsterry said:

    At the same time we are asked to believe that Johnson was unaware that someone else had stepped in and settled the bill for his fiancé's interior design tastes *without him realising*. It almost makes Cummings claim of an eye test seem plausible.

    Wasn't he in hospital at the time?
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    HIGNFY absolutely decimated the Cummings interview. Was rather amusing
  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    edited May 2021

    HIGNFY absolutely decimated the Cummings interview. Was rather amusing

    Fake news. It hasn't been amusing for about 25 years.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302

    rjsterry said:

    At the same time we are asked to believe that Johnson was unaware that someone else had stepped in and settled the bill for his fiancé's interior design tastes *without him realising*. It almost makes Cummings claim of an eye test seem plausible.

    Wasn't he in hospital at the time?
    No, it was settled in October.

    He had £200,000 worth of work done without knowing how it was going to be paid for, and the one who gets hacked over the coals is the official who didn't tell him that someone else has paid it.

    He really is chaotic.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited May 2021
    shortfall said:

    HIGNFY absolutely decimated the Cummings interview. Was rather amusing

    Fake news. It hasn't been amusing for about 25 years.
    I’d have thought given you’re posting private eye front covers it’d be exactly what you like