Chapeau aux Francais

FocusZing

Robert88 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Although many on here will denounce the riots in France against tax hikes on fuel. They have at least achieved their goal as Macron does a U-turn. Chapeau!
Just can't see us passive Brits doing the same. We'd sooner take it up the Arsenal and just moan about it.

It kicked off when the poll tax was tried by the Thatch.

In fact the poll tax riots were a kind of last gasp rather than the start of anything. Throughout the Thatcher years a considerable amount of effort had gone into making popular protests difficult, including the selling of council houses, suppression of union power and encouragement of personal indebtedness. In addition the violent confrontation between police and miners in the mid eighties made it clear that the state, if determined enough, would win. The protest against the poll tax worked because it was a manifestly unfair tax and opposition to it had huge national support (far greater than for Brexit!). Electoral suicide.

The fact is there was a tax it was called the poll and a riot ensused.

Stevo_666

FocusZing wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Although many on here will denounce the riots in France against tax hikes on fuel. They have at least achieved their goal as Macron does a U-turn. Chapeau!
Just can't see us passive Brits doing the same. We'd sooner take it up the Arsenal and just moan about it.

It kicked off when the poll tax was tried by the Thatch.

In fact the poll tax riots were a kind of last gasp rather than the start of anything. Throughout the Thatcher years a considerable amount of effort had gone into making popular protests difficult, including the selling of council houses, suppression of union power and encouragement of personal indebtedness. In addition the violent confrontation between police and miners in the mid eighties made it clear that the state, if determined enough, would win. The protest against the poll tax worked because it was a manifestly unfair tax and opposition to it had huge national support (far greater than for Brexit!). Electoral suicide.

The fact is there was a tax it was called the poll and a riot ensused.

Mainly caused by unsuccessful stroppy twats who had nothing better to do. Aka socialism

FocusZing

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Although many on here will denounce the riots in France against tax hikes on fuel. They have at least achieved their goal as Macron does a U-turn. Chapeau!
Just can't see us passive Brits doing the same. We'd sooner take it up the Arsenal and just moan about it.

It kicked off when the poll tax was tried by the Thatch.

In fact the poll tax riots were a kind of last gasp rather than the start of anything. Throughout the Thatcher years a considerable amount of effort had gone into making popular protests difficult, including the selling of council houses, suppression of union power and encouragement of personal indebtedness. In addition the violent confrontation between police and miners in the mid eighties made it clear that the state, if determined enough, would win. The protest against the poll tax worked because it was a manifestly unfair tax and opposition to it had huge national support (far greater than for Brexit!). Electoral suicide.

The fact is there was a tax it was called the poll and a riot ensused.

Mainly caused by unsuccessful stroppy twats who had nothing better to do. Aka socialism

That maybe the case Steve, but the premisis was as silly as the window tax, which on the scale of silly was right up there with that kooky Mrs May disparaging EU bloke ruffling that blondes hair.

Stevo_666

FocusZing wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Although many on here will denounce the riots in France against tax hikes on fuel. They have at least achieved their goal as Macron does a U-turn. Chapeau!
Just can't see us passive Brits doing the same. We'd sooner take it up the Arsenal and just moan about it.

It kicked off when the poll tax was tried by the Thatch.

In fact the poll tax riots were a kind of last gasp rather than the start of anything. Throughout the Thatcher years a considerable amount of effort had gone into making popular protests difficult, including the selling of council houses, suppression of union power and encouragement of personal indebtedness. In addition the violent confrontation between police and miners in the mid eighties made it clear that the state, if determined enough, would win. The protest against the poll tax worked because it was a manifestly unfair tax and opposition to it had huge national support (far greater than for Brexit!). Electoral suicide.

The fact is there was a tax it was called the poll and a riot ensused.

Mainly caused by unsuccessful stroppy twats who had nothing better to do. Aka socialism

That maybe the case Steve, but the premisis was as silly as the window tax, which on the scale of silly was right up there with that kooky Mrs May disparaging EU bloke ruffling that blondes hair.

A lot of taxes are silly, which is why we need to be more like the French and go burn stuff when governments try to tax us more.

BelgianBeerGeek

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Although many on here will denounce the riots in France against tax hikes on fuel. They have at least achieved their goal as Macron does a U-turn. Chapeau!
Just can't see us passive Brits doing the same. We'd sooner take it up the Arsenal and just moan about it.

It kicked off when the poll tax was tried by the Thatch.

In fact the poll tax riots were a kind of last gasp rather than the start of anything. Throughout the Thatcher years a considerable amount of effort had gone into making popular protests difficult, including the selling of council houses, suppression of union power and encouragement of personal indebtedness. In addition the violent confrontation between police and miners in the mid eighties made it clear that the state, if determined enough, would win. The protest against the poll tax worked because it was a manifestly unfair tax and opposition to it had huge national support (far greater than for Brexit!). Electoral suicide.

The fact is there was a tax it was called the poll and a riot ensused.

Mainly caused by unsuccessful stroppy twats who had nothing better to do. Aka socialism

That maybe the case Steve, but the premisis was as silly as the window tax, which on the scale of silly was right up there with that kooky Mrs May disparaging EU bloke ruffling that blondes hair.

A lot of taxes are silly, which is why we need to be more like the French and go burn stuff when governments try to tax us more.

To the barricades, citizen!

Stevo_666

BelgianBeerGeek wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Although many on here will denounce the riots in France against tax hikes on fuel. They have at least achieved their goal as Macron does a U-turn. Chapeau!
Just can't see us passive Brits doing the same. We'd sooner take it up the Arsenal and just moan about it.

It kicked off when the poll tax was tried by the Thatch.

In fact the poll tax riots were a kind of last gasp rather than the start of anything. Throughout the Thatcher years a considerable amount of effort had gone into making popular protests difficult, including the selling of council houses, suppression of union power and encouragement of personal indebtedness. In addition the violent confrontation between police and miners in the mid eighties made it clear that the state, if determined enough, would win. The protest against the poll tax worked because it was a manifestly unfair tax and opposition to it had huge national support (far greater than for Brexit!). Electoral suicide.

The fact is there was a tax it was called the poll and a riot ensused.

Mainly caused by unsuccessful stroppy twats who had nothing better to do. Aka socialism

That maybe the case Steve, but the premisis was as silly as the window tax, which on the scale of silly was right up there with that kooky Mrs May disparaging EU bloke ruffling that blondes hair.

A lot of taxes are silly, which is why we need to be more like the French and go burn stuff when governments try to tax us more.

To the barricades, citizen!

That's the spirit, otherwise it'll only go to line the pockets of lazy f***ers

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Although many on here will denounce the riots in France against tax hikes on fuel. They have at least achieved their goal as Macron does a U-turn. Chapeau!
Just can't see us passive Brits doing the same. We'd sooner take it up the Arsenal and just moan about it.

It kicked off when the poll tax was tried by the Thatch.

In fact the poll tax riots were a kind of last gasp rather than the start of anything. Throughout the Thatcher years a considerable amount of effort had gone into making popular protests difficult, including the selling of council houses, suppression of union power and encouragement of personal indebtedness. In addition the violent confrontation between police and miners in the mid eighties made it clear that the state, if determined enough, would win. The protest against the poll tax worked because it was a manifestly unfair tax and opposition to it had huge national support (far greater than for Brexit!). Electoral suicide.

The fact is there was a tax it was called the poll and a riot ensused.

Mainly caused by unsuccessful stroppy twats who had nothing better to do. Aka socialism

That maybe the case Steve, but the premisis was as silly as the window tax, which on the scale of silly was right up there with that kooky Mrs May disparaging EU bloke ruffling that blondes hair.

A lot of taxes are silly, which is why we need to be more like the French and go burn stuff when governments try to tax us more.

We should be more like stroppy French socialists? Stevo, what's happened to you?

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Although many on here will denounce the riots in France against tax hikes on fuel. They have at least achieved their goal as Macron does a U-turn. Chapeau!
Just can't see us passive Brits doing the same. We'd sooner take it up the Arsenal and just moan about it.

It kicked off when the poll tax was tried by the Thatch.

In fact the poll tax riots were a kind of last gasp rather than the start of anything. Throughout the Thatcher years a considerable amount of effort had gone into making popular protests difficult, including the selling of council houses, suppression of union power and encouragement of personal indebtedness. In addition the violent confrontation between police and miners in the mid eighties made it clear that the state, if determined enough, would win. The protest against the poll tax worked because it was a manifestly unfair tax and opposition to it had huge national support (far greater than for Brexit!). Electoral suicide.

The fact is there was a tax it was called the poll and a riot ensused.

Mainly caused by unsuccessful stroppy twats who had nothing better to do. Aka socialism

That maybe the case Steve, but the premisis was as silly as the window tax, which on the scale of silly was right up there with that kooky Mrs May disparaging EU bloke ruffling that blondes hair.

A lot of taxes are silly, which is why we need to be more like the French and go burn stuff when governments try to tax us more.

We should be more like stroppy French socialists? Stevo, what's happened to you?

The irony of socialists protesting against higher taxes. Is this what they call 'useful idiots'?

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Although many on here will denounce the riots in France against tax hikes on fuel. They have at least achieved their goal as Macron does a U-turn. Chapeau!
Just can't see us passive Brits doing the same. We'd sooner take it up the Arsenal and just moan about it.

It kicked off when the poll tax was tried by the Thatch.

In fact the poll tax riots were a kind of last gasp rather than the start of anything. Throughout the Thatcher years a considerable amount of effort had gone into making popular protests difficult, including the selling of council houses, suppression of union power and encouragement of personal indebtedness. In addition the violent confrontation between police and miners in the mid eighties made it clear that the state, if determined enough, would win. The protest against the poll tax worked because it was a manifestly unfair tax and opposition to it had huge national support (far greater than for Brexit!). Electoral suicide.

The fact is there was a tax it was called the poll and a riot ensused.

Mainly caused by unsuccessful stroppy twats who had nothing better to do. Aka socialism

That maybe the case Steve, but the premisis was as silly as the window tax, which on the scale of silly was right up there with that kooky Mrs May disparaging EU bloke ruffling that blondes hair.

A lot of taxes are silly, which is why we need to be more like the French and go burn stuff when governments try to tax us more.

We should be more like stroppy French socialists? Stevo, what's happened to you?

The irony of socialists protesting against higher taxes. Is this what they call 'useful idiots'?

It wasn't great optics to cut a wealth tax, and then raise taxes that disproportionately affect those on low incomes.

robert88

Interesting article here by a US journo who clearly knows a thing or two:

The End of Europe?
France is pivotal in holding the European Union together.

Dominique Moïsi, one of France’s top foreign policy analysts, put it to me like this: At a time when America, which was always the European Union’s life insurance policy against predatory threats from the East and was the world champion of democracy, begins to withdraw from the world; when Russia returns with a vengeance to global politics; when Germany turns inward and Italy rebels against E.U. spending limits and moves closer to autocratic Russia; when so many roads now lead to Beijing; and when the U.K. is hellbent on suicide, “suddenly what happens in France goes beyond France. We are the last barrier protecting the European idea. If Macron fails, it can bring the end of Europe.”

Russia is becoming key, as it intended.

tangled_metal

Interesting comment on BBC news last night from a correspondent in strasbourg. He said that France and macron are probably the only ones in Europe who would not be happy to see the UK remain in the EU. He's a federalist. Germany and many Eastern countries are either pragmatic about things not coming closer to federal Europe or actively follow the UK's lead in not wanting it to move closer. France is alone in the federalist dream. If the UK cancelled a50 and remained it would strengthen the side opposing federalist agenda and be a strong opponent / threat to French interests.

Or something like that.

From a purely prejudiced point of view the idea of frustrating Macron is a good thing. I would prefer to remain for more reasonable grounds like the firm belief it's in the national interest.

Stevo_666

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Although many on here will denounce the riots in France against tax hikes on fuel. They have at least achieved their goal as Macron does a U-turn. Chapeau!
Just can't see us passive Brits doing the same. We'd sooner take it up the Arsenal and just moan about it.

It kicked off when the poll tax was tried by the Thatch.

In fact the poll tax riots were a kind of last gasp rather than the start of anything. Throughout the Thatcher years a considerable amount of effort had gone into making popular protests difficult, including the selling of council houses, suppression of union power and encouragement of personal indebtedness. In addition the violent confrontation between police and miners in the mid eighties made it clear that the state, if determined enough, would win. The protest against the poll tax worked because it was a manifestly unfair tax and opposition to it had huge national support (far greater than for Brexit!). Electoral suicide.

The fact is there was a tax it was called the poll and a riot ensused.

Mainly caused by unsuccessful stroppy twats who had nothing better to do. Aka socialism

That maybe the case Steve, but the premisis was as silly as the window tax, which on the scale of silly was right up there with that kooky Mrs May disparaging EU bloke ruffling that blondes hair.

A lot of taxes are silly, which is why we need to be more like the French and go burn stuff when governments try to tax us more.

We should be more like stroppy French socialists? Stevo, what's happened to you?

The irony of socialists protesting against higher taxes. Is this what they call 'useful idiots'?

It wasn't great optics to cut a wealth tax, and then raise taxes that disproportionately affect those on low incomes.

Possibly did not send the right message, but if he wants to put in place the reforms to get France away from the rigid labour markets, unaffordable benefits and unfriendly environment for entrepreneurs and business then he' would have to 'bite the bullet' at some point.

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

Although many on here will denounce the riots in France against tax hikes on fuel. They have at least achieved their goal as Macron does a U-turn. Chapeau!
Just can't see us passive Brits doing the same. We'd sooner take it up the Arsenal and just moan about it.

It kicked off when the poll tax was tried by the Thatch.

In fact the poll tax riots were a kind of last gasp rather than the start of anything. Throughout the Thatcher years a considerable amount of effort had gone into making popular protests difficult, including the selling of council houses, suppression of union power and encouragement of personal indebtedness. In addition the violent confrontation between police and miners in the mid eighties made it clear that the state, if determined enough, would win. The protest against the poll tax worked because it was a manifestly unfair tax and opposition to it had huge national support (far greater than for Brexit!). Electoral suicide.

The fact is there was a tax it was called the poll and a riot ensused.

Mainly caused by unsuccessful stroppy twats who had nothing better to do. Aka socialism

That maybe the case Steve, but the premisis was as silly as the window tax, which on the scale of silly was right up there with that kooky Mrs May disparaging EU bloke ruffling that blondes hair.

A lot of taxes are silly, which is why we need to be more like the French and go burn stuff when governments try to tax us more.

We should be more like stroppy French socialists? Stevo, what's happened to you?

The irony of socialists protesting against higher taxes. Is this what they call 'useful idiots'?

It wasn't great optics to cut a wealth tax, and then raise taxes that disproportionately affect those on low incomes.

Possibly did not send the right message, but if he wants to put in place the reforms to get France away from the rigid labour markets, unaffordable benefits and unfriendly environment for entrepreneurs and business then he' would have to 'bite the bullet' at some point.

Indeed. He managed to do it with the train drivers, but they are viewed as a rather privileged group of employees by many. But he tried this one whilst already very low in approval ratings, so it's not surprising that he's run into difficulties, especially when making his televised pronouncements from behind a (literally) gilded desk.