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How long do your components last?

rhodrichrhodrich Posts: 866
edited January 2019 in Commuting chat
Currently, I'm alternating between 2 bikes for my commute. I use the '1974 Pete Luxton Path/Track' bike when the roads are fairly dry, and when its not forecast to rain, and the '1956 Carlton Flyer' in the wet.

This means that the Carlton Flyer only ever sees mucky weather. I replaced the chain on it at the weekend, as my chain checker said that it was nearing the wear limit, but now with the new chain, the cog is making a growling sound when I put the power down - it looks like the cog is worn out. Whilst fettling, I noticed play in both the wheel bearings. Then I noticed that all the brake pads need replacing. Then I noticed that the front wheel rim is becoming alarmingly concave. Finally, I couldn't help but notice that with the bike on the stand, the steering self centres, as the headset is indexed and worn out.

So basically, the cog, wheels, brakes and headset are all toast. Bottom bracket is OK, as I replaced that last winter. The tyres are fine too, surprisingly.

I only seem to have got about 8000 miles out of the wheels - should I feel short changed? Can't remember when I fitted the cog, but it only seems to have managed about 3 chains worth. As for the headset, admittedly it came from another bike of mine (the Mercian), but I only removed it from the Mercian as I fancied a shiny chrome one on that - it wasn't worn out, and I gave it a decent clean and greasing before fitting.

How many miles do you get out of your components?
1938 Hobbs Tandem
1956 Carlton Flyer Path/Track
1960 Mercian Superlight Track
1974 Pete Luxton Path/Track*
1980 Harry Hall
1986 Dawes Galaxy
1988 Jack Taylor Tourer
1988 Pearson
1989 Condor
1993 Dawes Hybrid
2016 Ridley Helium SL
*Currently on this
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  • timothywtimothyw Posts: 2,482
    I've never had a bike frame get to 8000 miles without breaking it (although I think the Ribble 7005 audax is now close). I don't think I have any wheels that have done that much mileage - I do have a set I retired after about 5000 miles due to corrosion around the spoke holes that were used largely in the wet.

    So yeah, you sound like you're doing alright to me.

    But then I'm an 18 stone beast with a 1500w sprint.

    Stop start commuting is harder work on kit than more casual Sunday riding, and also the bulk of my mileage.
  • tgotbtgotb Posts: 4,714
    Rhodrich wrote:
    I only seem to have got about 8000 miles out of the wheels - should I feel short changed??
    I don't have detailed records (paging Rower63!) but 8000 miles sounds fairly consistent with my experience (for wheels with rim brakes). Some seem better than others: Shimano C24 rims are like cheese in wet conditions, especially if there's any grit around; Open Pros are fairly average; I once had a set of DT Swiss rims that seemed to go on for ever...

    Off topic: I've often been tempted by vintage bikes, but always put off by horrific childhood memories of cotter pins. In my memory they never lasted more than a month or two; are they really that bad, or was it just my ham-fisted teenage fettling? (I used to ride everywhere in the whatever was the 1980s equivalent to 52x11, which may also have been a factor - I thought was fast...)
    Pannier, 120rpm.
  • hopkinbhopkinb Posts: 7,074
    Rower will give you chapter and verse. He has spreadsheets for this sort of thing i.e. this chain has done 1527 miles, 376 of which were wet.

    I've had my current bike for 3 years.

    I do 5000 miles per year, mainly commuting. I use 2 chains and 2 cassettes. I put on one chain and cassette in the autumn, leave it on until spring, whereupon I change it. I also change the BB in spring.

    I get through 3 to 4 sets of front disc brake pads, and 2 rear per year. Organic. Rotors seem to last a long time, I have only ever worn one out, which just snapped off. I won't be making that mistake again.

    I use tyres until they keep puncturing. Fronts last longer than rears.

    Chainrings lasted 2 years and were changed earlier this year.

    I suppose I should think about replacing cables, but as gear shifting is fine, so I don't see a need.
  • Voodoo has done ~4700 miles over ~25 months (since I started on Strava, had it for ~7 months before that covering ~900 miles, after which I changed chain, think it was the Progold Prolink rinsing off quicker than I realised) on current chain and cassette with Muc Off C3 Ceramic Wet lube, changing for new ones this week hopefully. It got a new set of BS01 brake pads ~12months ago, fitted a new front pair last month. All weather commuter, occasional recreational ride since getting Cube in wet weather.

    Cube has done ~5400 "hilly" miles over ~18 months, it's seen no more than ~30mins of very light rain and no more than a few hours of damp tarmac. Changed cassette and chain last month, new set of disc pads a few months ago.

    I am a serial tyre swapper on both bikes, especially on the Voodoo, that has been equipped with 622-28s to 622-58s plus the 559-100s when I rarely use the fat wheel set these days! :lol:
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    2020 Voodoo Marasa
    2017 Cube Attain GTC Pro Disc 2016
    2016 Voodoo Wazoo
  • gbsahne001gbsahne001 Posts: 1,968
    chains 3000 generally, MTB less
    cassettes 6000
    last wheelset that died : front wheel 15000, rear 8k (cup-cone, hopefully new one will last longer)
    Frames currently CX - 25k, hybrid - 35k, road 12k

    all figures in miles
  • rhodrichrhodrich Posts: 866
    Thanks all - sounds like 8000 miles then is par for the course for a cup and cone wheel (unsealed bearings), used primarily in grotty weather on a commute. I'm currently collecting the parts for a 650b wheelset, so lets see how long they last.

    @TGOTB Cotter Pins - old school! Yes, they're rubbish! The only bike I have that uses them is my pre war Tandem, but that gets so little use that they're fine. My brother in law has a 1960's Dawes Red Feather that uses them, and he has no end of problems. Decent quality bottom brackets for them are impossible to get hold of these days too. The main problem is that all the parts for them these days are manufactured in the third world for Rod Braked roadsters which have non existent quality control.
    1938 Hobbs Tandem
    1956 Carlton Flyer Path/Track
    1960 Mercian Superlight Track
    1974 Pete Luxton Path/Track*
    1980 Harry Hall
    1986 Dawes Galaxy
    1988 Jack Taylor Tourer
    1988 Pearson
    1989 Condor
    1993 Dawes Hybrid
    2016 Ridley Helium SL
    *Currently on this
  • fenixfenix Posts: 5,437
    TimothyW wrote:
    I've never had a bike frame get to 8000 miles without breaking it (.

    That's a bit worrying. I've not kept records until Strava helped with keeping track of bike mileages but two of my bikes are now nearing 8k. One CF that gets the nice weather and one Alu that gets the winter miles. I'll be sad if either of them fail any time soon.
  • rower63rower63 Posts: 1,991
    OK here's a list of everything I've binned and its mileage since I set up my database. Everything got to the end of its natural life except where I've added the note "early death". I commute fairly hard and it involves lots of braking and gear-changing. Make of it what you will :)

    bottom bracket bearings 1,489 (OEM) crunchy after 300mi
    bottom bracket bearings 12,418 (Boca Yellow Seal)
    brake blocks front 2,593
    brake blocks front 4,913
    brake blocks front 5,404
    brake blocks rear 1,096
    brake blocks rear 1,998
    brake blocks rear 2,119
    brake blocks rear 3,389
    brake blocks rear 4,421
    brake cable front 15,259
    brake cable rear 3,858
    brake cable rear 11,401
    brake cablecasing front 15,259
    brake cablecasing rear 3,858
    brake cablecasing rear 11,438
    cassette 1,550 early death
    cassette 2,237
    cassette 2,435
    cassette 2,514
    cassette 2,732
    cassette 2,776
    cassette 2,953
    chain 1,271 1st time swapping out after only 5% wear
    chain 1,550 early death
    chain 1,736
    chain 2,237
    chain 2,435
    chain 2,476
    chain 2,732
    chain 2,776
    chain 2,953
    chainring large 7,829
    chainring large 8,280
    derailleur hanger 12,721 early death
    front derailleur 25,073
    gear cable front 3,896
    gear cable front 5,591
    gear cable front 5,697
    gear cable rear 6,038
    gear cable rear 9,221
    gear cablecasing front 16,748
    gear cablecasing rear 7,527
    gear cablecasing rear 9,221
    pedals 15,080
    rear derailleur 13,795 early death
    tyre front 17,225
    tyre rear 795 early death
    tyre rear 3,750
    tyre rear 6,998
    tyre rear 7,251
    wheel rear 513 early death
    wheel rear 1,410
    rear derailleur 1,500 early death
    wheel rear 680 early death
    Dolan Titanium ADX 2016
    Ridley Noah FAST 2013
    Bottecchia/Campagnolo 1990
    Carrera Parva Hybrid 2016
    Hoy Sa Calobra 002 2014 [off duty]
    Storck Absolutist 2011 [off duty]
    http://www.slidingseat.net/cycling/cycling.html
  • FishFishFishFish Posts: 2,152
    That's quite some record. I had 'crunchy' mtb BB bearing after 300 miles - it is a BB30 - but am still using it after 2600 miles.
    ...take your pickelf on your holibobs.... :D

    jeez :roll:
  • rower63rower63 Posts: 1,991
    ... and current notable "still-in-service" mileages:

    shifter/lever right 36,151
    saddle 36,151
    brake caliper rear 36,151
    brake caliper front 36,151
    shifter/lever left 30,927
    crankset 18,114
    chainring small 18,114
    crankset 18,037
    headset 16,625
    fork/steerer 16,625
    front derailleur 11,003
    pedals 9,871
    wheel rear 9,222
    wheel front 9,185
    tyre front 7,878
    wheel front 5,359
    Dolan Titanium ADX 2016
    Ridley Noah FAST 2013
    Bottecchia/Campagnolo 1990
    Carrera Parva Hybrid 2016
    Hoy Sa Calobra 002 2014 [off duty]
    Storck Absolutist 2011 [off duty]
    http://www.slidingseat.net/cycling/cycling.html
  • Agreed on C24 rims being made of cheese I had a set only last a year of use which included a few very wet rides. 8,000 miles for a bike used only in the wet sounds like a pretty good run to me though. Maybe scraping pads for grit an alu bits on a regular basis would prolong the life a good bit more for wet only wheels.
    Blog on first season road racing http://www.twhatley.com/
  • rower63rower63 Posts: 1,991
    whatleytom wrote:
    ...Maybe scraping pads for grit an alu bits on a regular basis would prolong the life a good bit more for wet only wheels.
    This. The stuff that pads get contaminated with is not actually Aluminium dross, but Aluminium Oxide dross. Aluminium Oxide is one of the hardest materials around and a regular main component of abrasive pads. Literally the worst possible stuff to have around in particle form if there's any friction and wear.
    Dolan Titanium ADX 2016
    Ridley Noah FAST 2013
    Bottecchia/Campagnolo 1990
    Carrera Parva Hybrid 2016
    Hoy Sa Calobra 002 2014 [off duty]
    Storck Absolutist 2011 [off duty]
    http://www.slidingseat.net/cycling/cycling.html
  • timothywtimothyw Posts: 2,482
    rower63 wrote:
    ... and current notable "still-in-service" mileages:

    saddle 36,151
    Isn't it a bit dead by this point? I mean, I'm sure the manufacturers would like you to replace them every few months but still!

    I guess if it's still comfy not much to complain about!

    Fascinating set of figures anyway.
  • mtb-idlemtb-idle Posts: 2,179
    hopkinb wrote:
    Rower will give you chapter and verse. He has spreadsheets for this sort of thing i.e. this chain has done 1527 miles, 376 of which were wet. <snip>

    I also ride with someone like that. He talked us through his spreadsheet including the noted assumptions and exceptions one wet hour in the car whilst waiting at Dover for the ferry to Flanders earlier this year.

    His also has cost per mile per component & total bike(s) incorporated into it.

    He is an actuary for a reinsurance company; he loves his data. Needless to say we ribbed him incessantly about this spreadsheet.
    FCN = 4
  • rower63rower63 Posts: 1,991
    MTB-Idle wrote:
    ... someone like that. ....
    haha superb
    MTB-Idle wrote:
    He talked us through his spreadsheet including the noted assumptions
    I don't make any assumptions. I just log my ride into a table, including whether it's wet, and log any component acquisition/attachment/removal etc into another table, and the database query does the rest. My only slightly less nerdy neighbour said it reminded him of what they do to keep track of aircraft parts.
    Dolan Titanium ADX 2016
    Ridley Noah FAST 2013
    Bottecchia/Campagnolo 1990
    Carrera Parva Hybrid 2016
    Hoy Sa Calobra 002 2014 [off duty]
    Storck Absolutist 2011 [off duty]
    http://www.slidingseat.net/cycling/cycling.html
  • rhodrichrhodrich Posts: 866
    Fascinating table Rower! I don't feels so bad now, as I'm no more heavy on my parts than you are. My cogs last longer than your cassettes, and they're significantly cheaper too.

    Surprised you don't have any frames in the list. How long did that Titanium one last before cracking?
    1938 Hobbs Tandem
    1956 Carlton Flyer Path/Track
    1960 Mercian Superlight Track
    1974 Pete Luxton Path/Track*
    1980 Harry Hall
    1986 Dawes Galaxy
    1988 Jack Taylor Tourer
    1988 Pearson
    1989 Condor
    1993 Dawes Hybrid
    2016 Ridley Helium SL
    *Currently on this
  • rower63rower63 Posts: 1,991
    Rhodrich wrote:
    Fascinating table Rower! I don't feels so bad now, as I'm no more heavy on my parts than you are. My cogs last longer than your cassettes, and they're significantly cheaper too.

    Surprised you don't have any frames in the list. How long did that Titanium one last before cracking?
    I should've put frames in, but they're in a special table by themselves as they are what everything else get attached to. My old Dolan did 18k before the BB exploded, its replacement is up to 16.6k .
    I've just started changing chains about 2/3 through their old lifespan and not changing the cassettes, so we'll see if the cassettes last longer!
    TimothyW wrote:
    rower63 wrote:
    saddle 36,151
    Isn't it a bit dead by this point?
    Brooks saddle, still going strong and looking fresh!
    Dolan Titanium ADX 2016
    Ridley Noah FAST 2013
    Bottecchia/Campagnolo 1990
    Carrera Parva Hybrid 2016
    Hoy Sa Calobra 002 2014 [off duty]
    Storck Absolutist 2011 [off duty]
    http://www.slidingseat.net/cycling/cycling.html
  • tgotbtgotb Posts: 4,714
    I was staggered at R63's apparent inability to get more than ~8k miles out of a large chainring, but then I spotted his 18k miles and still going small chainring...
    Pannier, 120rpm.
  • mtb-idlemtb-idle Posts: 2,179
    rower63 wrote:
    MTB-Idle wrote:
    He talked us through his spreadsheet including the noted assumptions

    I don't make any assumptions.

    Fair enough. I can't recall in detail as I was either bored to tears or laughing uproariously at various stages through the explanation but it went something along the lines of "the first assumption is that the spreadsheet is updated on a Tuesday and therefore this meant...(lost in the meaningless drivel that followed the start of this sentence)".
    FCN = 4
  • I find that it mostly depends on the usage intensity, and time of the year. When I do long rides, through the worst of the winter weather, bearinged components can last as little as 400 Kms. BBs and the bottom bearings of the headset tend to take the majority of the punishment, but with a bit of TLC, I can make them last a bit longer than if I hadn’t bothered. Some of the lighter / less durable rims I’ve used have taken a ‘fatal’ pounding between December and March, after having done well during the better weathered months, and I’ve had to replace at least one rim within 500 Kms of the proper wear starting. Hub bearings are variable, dependent on quality, but anything between 500 and 2500 Kms is about right. Tyres are a problem, and again dependant on quality / durability and use, I’ve had as little as 100 Km or as much as 14500 Kms. If a frame lasts less than 100000 Kms ( without accident damage ) I’d feel short changed, same for forks, and saddles. Brifters tend to last me quite well, and chains / cassettes / rings and cranks are variable between 500 Kms and 2500 Kms as a guesstimate
  • -Dash-Dash Posts: 179
    I've just replaced a BB86 after 29000 miles and 3 years. Most forums had me thinking it would only last a few months.

    It has been ridden through all seasons and liberally hosed down regularly too.
  • kingstoniankingstonian Posts: 2,483
    I had to replace a chainring a couple of months ago, mainly because I hadn't changed the chain early enough and it wore the chainring down. When I was getting it done the mechanic tried to tell me I'd be needing to change the chain every 1000 miles, which would be every 6-8 weeks !!!

    Nah, that ain't happening.
  • -Dash wrote:
    I've just replaced a BB86 after 29000 miles and 3 years. Most forums had me thinking it would only last a few months.

    It has been ridden through all seasons and liberally hosed down regularly too.


    That’s probably due to a lot of forumites mis diagnosing a problem ( creak probably ) and binning the ( perfectly serviceable) B.B. then the myth proliferates.
  • I had to replace a chainring a couple of months ago, mainly because I hadn't changed the chain early enough and it wore the chainring down. When I was getting it done the mechanic tried to tell me I'd be needing to change the chain every 1000 miles, which would be every 6-8 weeks !!!

    Nah, that ain't happening.

    That would be some serious power / work going through the chain, to knacker it inside 1000 miles :shock:
  • kingstoniankingstonian Posts: 2,483
    I had to replace a chainring a couple of months ago, mainly because I hadn't changed the chain early enough and it wore the chainring down. When I was getting it done the mechanic tried to tell me I'd be needing to change the chain every 1000 miles, which would be every 6-8 weeks !!!

    Nah, that ain't happening.

    That would be some serious power / work going through the chain, to knacker it inside 1000 miles :shock:


    Yeah, I just laughed when he said that.
  • About the only thing I seem to go though fairly quickly, is chains/cassettes, the commute bikes frame is close on 11k miles but would have. a few more pre strava though being a MTB would not be a huge mileage extra.

    But my commute is fairly grubby, and the bike is heavy with panniers and what not. I have trashed chains in 800 miles before now, I have made a effort to try to keep it clean, though that will not stop the fairly heavy load on it.

    As others I find headsets/bottom brackets last for years, and this is with a bike that is a outside pet.
  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 19,964
    @rower63 seek help, quickly! :-)
    Rule #5 // Harden The censored Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • wolfsbane2kwolfsbane2k Posts: 3,019
    Not damn well long enough.
    But then i ride hard, in all weather, and with power, not cadence, and my cleaning regime can typically be summed up in 3 words: What Cleaning Regime?
    I've got something like rowers DB that i maintained for about a year after i got through BB's like they were going out of fashion, but got side tracked into creating an app that did it all on the go, and then gave up..
    Intent on Cycling Commuting on a budget, but keep on breaking/crashing/finding nice stuff to buy.
    Bike 1 (Broken) - Bike 2(Borked) - Bike 3(broken spokes) - Bike 4( Needs Work) - Bike 5 (in bits) - Bike 6* ...
  • -Dash-Dash Posts: 179
    -Dash wrote:
    I've just replaced a BB86 after 29000 miles and 3 years. Most forums had me thinking it would only last a few months.

    It has been ridden through all seasons and liberally hosed down regularly too.


    That’s probably due to a lot of forumites mis diagnosing a problem ( creak probably ) and binning the ( perfectly serviceable) B.B. then the myth proliferates.
    Yeah I did take it with a pinch of salt when I read it. I regularly checked for wear - lateral play, grinding (when no chain attached). Only started a few weeks ago.

    I've gone through multiple chains in that time and cassettes too but the large chainring seems to be fine still. Small chainring changed after 2 years.. probably due to poor cleaning. Headset bearings replaced once too and a rear derailleur (it was bent from a crash and the jockey wheels were on their way out anyway).
  • Ultegra 11 speed chain - About 1000 miles when it hits "0.75" on my chain checker
    FSA BB86 bottom bracket - 700 miles
    Shimano Ultegra bottom bracket - 4000 miles
    Rear derailleur pulleys - 4000 miles
    FSA crankset - 1500 miles (and then almost impossible to get big ring)
    Tyres - 1000-1300 miles on Cyclocross/gravel tyres. Currently back to Schwalbe Mondial's...hate them...indestructible but uncomfortable and can't cope with slimey mud
    FSA headset - 4000 miles

    My current Strava table looking like (and yes...bike got a major upgrade 1800 miles ago, some parts being reused elsewhere or sold on) -


    Frame Trek Crockett 9 6,302.6mi
    Crankset Shimano Ultegra CX 46/36 3,590.0mi
    Front Wheel DT Swiss ER 1400 2,785.4mi
    Rear Wheel DT Swiss ER 1400 2,785.4mi
    Cassette Shimano Ultegra 12-25 2,785.4mi
    Rear Brake Rotor Shimano RT86 2,785.4mi
    Front Derailleur Shimano FD-R8050 1,804.5mi
    Rear Derailleur Shimano RD-R8050 1,804.5mi
    Bottom Bracket Shimano Dura-Ace Press Fit 1,804.5mi
    Handlebar Bontrager Isocore VR-SF 1,804.5mi
    Shift Levers Shimano R8070 1,804.5mi
    Headset 1,804.5mi
    Front Brake Pads Shimano G02S 1,522.5mi
    Rear Brake Pads Shimano G02A 1,522.5mi
    Front Brake Rotor Shimano SM-RT800 1,522.5mi
    Chain Shimano Ultegra 610.3mi
    Rear Tire Schwalbe Mondial 3,153.9mi
    Fork Trek Crockett 6,302.6mi
    Seatpost Bontrager xxx 1,804.5mi
    Chainrings Shimano Ultegra 3,590.0mi
    Front Tire Schwalbe Mondial 3,127.9mi
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