Who's to blame in this crash video?

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  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    I thought this video was more entertaining than some of the races I’ve watched. I hope the OP has a whole series he can post given it’s going to be pi**ing down most of this weekend.
  • craigus89
    craigus89 Posts: 887
    edited October 2018
    Confirmed D1ck. He's trying to give him a nudge. Look at his bike, he can pass him.

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  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Webboo wrote:
    I thought this video was more entertaining than some of the races I’ve watched. I hope the OP has a whole series he can post given it’s going to be pi**ing down most of this weekend.

    i reckon he'll have a whole load - he'll be like the road general major corporal or something and will tape each ride to show on their forum.

    OP - any links to where this was discussed as per your post so we can see how you guys across the pond view this sort of thing as opposed to us here please.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Craigus89 wrote:
    Confirmed D1ck. He's trying to give him a nudge. Look at his bike, he can pass him.

    44393817094_0d1006ca2c_b.jpg


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    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,611
    Agree with those who have said the whole group is utterly clueless - 3 abreast, spilling over into the adjacent lane, no signal, gaps all over, and then one idiot trying to ride through someone. That's a group to steer well clear of and a group very much in need of some education.
    So, all are to blame IMO - they were an accident waiting to happen and it did.
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    The group is all over the road - right from the start - there's no close riding - I assume they're all very much beginners (to group riding).
    I couldn't see any shoulder checks by anyone at any point.

    Group riding is about trusting the guys you're riding with - that and being smooth in speed and transition - no sudden moves. Even so, each rider should be looking ahead to see what's happening.

    Assuming as stated - VeloTool thinks it's appropriate to shoulder barge a fellow club rider - perhaps a few solo club rides would be in order, until he learns that you can't just go pushing people about. Hopefully if any bikes were damaged it was his, and not one of those who were caught up in his idiocy.

    Cycling isn't a contact sport - we might see the sprinters doing it in the final few meters of a sprint - but if you watch the pro-peloton you'll see gentle hand touches so the other rider knows (s)he's there - no barges - because barging is more likely to cause a crash - which is the last thing you want as a team.

    Perhaps VeloTool needs to learn that there are two levers on the front of his handlebars - when the way ahead is cut off by someone moving out - then use them to reduce speed - wait for the path to clear - then accelerate past them - feel free to admonish the guy moving out if he did so unexpectedly - but it may not have been entirely his fault - there may have been something that needed avoiding in front - like another rider moving/changing speed unexpectedly. Eitherwhich way - you DO NOT intentionally shoulder barge someone on a club ride - do that to me and there would be one less club member - either you or me
  • dodgy
    dodgy Posts: 2,890
    I don't think it was a shoulder barge. Looks to me like inexperience. Moments before the crash he's countersteering, that's what forced him to do what looked like a shoulder barge but wasn't. He had simply lost balance.

    The worst thing about all this is that he hasn't just said "fair one, I'm to blame and the video proves it".

    I wouldn't ride with him, probably wouldn't ride with the rest of them either.
  • rajMAN
    rajMAN Posts: 429
    Herding cats! some calamity was always going to happen.
  • svetty
    svetty Posts: 1,904
    dodgy wrote:
    I don't think it was a shoulder barge. Looks to me like inexperience. Moments before the crash he's countersteering, that's what forced him to do what looked like a shoulder barge but wasn't. He had simply lost balance.
    That's what it looked like to me. He's very far from blameless and a more considerate and experienced rider would have likely reacted differently with maybe a different result but when people at the front of a group start slowing and veering all over the road accidents like this are the result.
    FFS! Harden up and grow a pair :D
  • gary_sparrow
    gary_sparrow Posts: 181
    This has to Be one of the best posts in a long time . Watched it in a cafe and burst out laughing on my own . Quality
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Velotool is on steroids or haemorrhoids, or both. Not looking or thinking, accident waiting to happen if he hadn't already had one in his shorts. Fell off his bike before the guy he barged so he can't blame anyone else for not being able to take one. I'd offer to pay for coffees while he went in to get them, then stab his tyres with Mick Dundee's knife.
    Guy in white looking at his stem but realised something going to happen.
    The rest are riding like any "shop" ride for beginners with little discipline but looking what's going on so unlikely to have an accident.
    Are you velotool?
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Velotool is on steroids or haemorrhoids, or both. Not looking or thinking, accident waiting to happen if he hadn't already had one in his shorts. Fell off his bike before the guy he barged so he can't blame anyone else for not being able to take one. I'd offer to pay for coffees while he went in to get them, then stab his tyres with Mick Dundee's knife.
    Guy in white looking at his stem but realised something going to happen.
    The rest are riding like any "shop" ride for beginners with little discipline but looking what's going on so unlikely to have an accident.
    Are you velotool?

    well, he hasn't come back so i think that you are right in him being VTool.

    thing is, none if them were looking at whats goung on otherwise they would have realised the mahooosif road was empty and wouldn't have started crashing into each other.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,434
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Agree with those who have said the whole group is utterly clueless - 3 abreast, spilling over into the adjacent lane, no signal, gaps all over, and then one idiot trying to ride through someone. That's a group to steer well clear of and a group very much in need of some education.
    So, all are to blame IMO - they were an accident waiting to happen and it did.
    ^^^this
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    sungod wrote:
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Agree with those who have said the whole group is utterly clueless - 3 abreast, spilling over into the adjacent lane, no signal, gaps all over, and then one idiot trying to ride through someone. That's a group to steer well clear of and a group very much in need of some education.
    So, all are to blame IMO - they were an accident waiting to happen and it did.
    ^^^this

    ^^^that
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Imposter wrote:
    sungod wrote:
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Agree with those who have said the whole group is utterly clueless - 3 abreast, spilling over into the adjacent lane, no signal, gaps all over, and then one idiot trying to ride through someone. That's a group to steer well clear of and a group very much in need of some education.
    So, all are to blame IMO - they were an accident waiting to happen and it did.
    ^^^this

    ^^^that

    isn't that what that MF bloke said on page 1?

    LISTEN TO SMITHY
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,434
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    sungod wrote:
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Agree with those who have said the whole group is utterly clueless - 3 abreast, spilling over into the adjacent lane, no signal, gaps all over, and then one idiot trying to ride through someone. That's a group to steer well clear of and a group very much in need of some education.
    So, all are to blame IMO - they were an accident waiting to happen and it did.
    ^^^this

    ^^^that

    isn't that what that MF bloke said on page 1?

    LISTEN TO SMITHY
    yes, but we enjoy rubbing it in
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • RBC Rider
    RBC Rider Posts: 5
    Are you velotool?
    well, he hasn't come back so I think that you are right in him being VTool.

    Thank God, I am not him. Anyway, here are few facts about this video:

    - the crash happens on a very empty road, and there is a sprint segment about 1/2 mile ahead.
    - the cameraman and VeloLabs and all the riders behind them try to move to the front at 30mph, passing slower riders on the left
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    RBC Rider wrote:
    Are you velotool?
    well, he hasn't come back so I think that you are right in him being VTool.

    Thank God, I am not him. Anyway, here are few facts about this video:

    - the crash happens on a very empty road, and there is a sprint segment about 1/2 mile ahead.
    - the cameraman and VeloLabs and all the riders behind them try to move to the front at 30mph, passing slower riders on the left

    Sprint segment or not - it's not a pro race - if it were, 1/2 mile is way too soon to be going ...
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    RBC Rider wrote:
    Thank God, I am not him. Anyway, here are few facts about this video:

    - the crash happens on a very empty road, and there is a sprint segment about 1/2 mile ahead.
    - the cameraman and VeloLabs and all the riders behind them try to move to the front at 30mph, passing slower riders on the left

    None of that excuses the appalling bunch discipline evident in the video. Sorry, but it's proper 'amateur hour' stuff...
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    I've done the same on zwift. Always been fine.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    edited October 2018
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    sungod wrote:
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Agree with those who have said the whole group is utterly clueless - 3 abreast, spilling over into the adjacent lane, no signal, gaps all over, and then one idiot trying to ride through someone. That's a group to steer well clear of and a group very much in need of some education.
    So, all are to blame IMO - they were an accident waiting to happen and it did.
    ^^^this

    ^^^that

    isn't that what that MF bloke said on page 1?

    LISTEN TO SMITHY

    It's also more or less what I said on page one, but I'm not personally concerned about the lack of plaudits. Let's not make this about you...
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    RBC Rider wrote:
    Are you velotool?
    well, he hasn't come back so I think that you are right in him being VTool.

    Thank God, I am not him. Anyway, here are few facts about this video:

    - the crash happens on a very empty road, and there is a sprint segment about 1/2 mile ahead.
    - the cameraman and VeloLabs and all the riders behind them try to move to the front at 30mph, passing slower riders on the left
    If you know there is a slower group ahead why didn't you wind down the sprint?
    It looks like three group rides "slow, intermediate & fast" where the slow group went out first, then the intermediate, then the fast. Really poor planning if the case.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    socks are too long, which doesn't help.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Imposter wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    sungod wrote:
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Agree with those who have said the whole group is utterly clueless - 3 abreast, spilling over into the adjacent lane, no signal, gaps all over, and then one idiot trying to ride through someone. That's a group to steer well clear of and a group very much in need of some education.
    So, all are to blame IMO - they were an accident waiting to happen and it did.
    ^^^this

    ^^^that

    isn't that what that MF bloke said on page 1?

    LISTEN TO SMITHY

    It's also more or less what I said on page one, but I'm not personally concerned about the lack of plaudits. Let's not make this about you...

    but i said it before you.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    RBC Rider wrote:
    Are you velotool?
    well, he hasn't come back so I think that you are right in him being VTool.

    Thank God, I am not him. Anyway, here are few facts about this video:

    - the crash happens on a very empty road, and there is a sprint segment about 1/2 mile ahead.
    - the cameraman and VeloLabs and all the riders behind them try to move to the front at 30mph, passing slower riders on the left
    If you know there is a slower group ahead why didn't you wind down the sprint?
    It looks like three group rides "slow, intermediate & fast" where the slow group went out first, then the intermediate, then the fast. Really poor planning if the case.

    slowest sprint i've ever seen.

    it just looks like a bunch of dentists out on a shop ride after they have been invited by the shop because they bought a bike there and the shop staff are groaning inside at having to do it but the dentists all think that they have been invited because they have been talent spotted.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    sungod wrote:
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Agree with those who have said the whole group is utterly clueless - 3 abreast, spilling over into the adjacent lane, no signal, gaps all over, and then one idiot trying to ride through someone. That's a group to steer well clear of and a group very much in need of some education.
    So, all are to blame IMO - they were an accident waiting to happen and it did.
    ^^^this

    ^^^that

    isn't that what that MF bloke said on page 1?

    LISTEN TO SMITHY

    It's also more or less what I said on page one, but I'm not personally concerned about the lack of plaudits. Let's not make this about you...

    but i said it before you.
    Actually you didn’t you were busy enquiringly about the op reasons for posting. Imposter was the first comment on the riding.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Webboo wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    sungod wrote:
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Agree with those who have said the whole group is utterly clueless - 3 abreast, spilling over into the adjacent lane, no signal, gaps all over, and then one idiot trying to ride through someone. That's a group to steer well clear of and a group very much in need of some education.
    So, all are to blame IMO - they were an accident waiting to happen and it did.
    ^^^this

    ^^^that

    isn't that what that MF bloke said on page 1?

    LISTEN TO SMITHY

    It's also more or less what I said on page one, but I'm not personally concerned about the lack of plaudits. Let's not make this about you...

    but i said it before you.
    Actually you didn’t you were busy enquiringly about the op reasons for posting. Imposter was the first comment on the riding.

    well shoulder barge me on a shop run sideways! i apologise then.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    I did wonder if velotabs was an undercover mf
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Webboo wrote:
    I did wonder if velotabs was an undercover mf

    nah - there is only one mf........ and he's not as crap at riding as VeloTubTape

    imqgine an undercover MF. The confusion. The joy. The chaos.

    Anyhow, back on track.

    Anyone heard from the OP?
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Webboo wrote:
    I did wonder if velotabs was an undercover mf

    nah - there is only one mf........ and he's not as crap at riding as VeloTubTape

    imqgine an undercover MF. The confusion. The joy. The chaos.

    Anyhow, back on track.

    Anyone heard from the OP?
    He's taking the zwift class at velothong.

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