Who's to blame in this crash video?
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This happened last Saturday during our group ride, took out 5 riders. The VeloLabs guy plowed into the guy on his right, blaming him for slowing down and crossing over his line. What do you all think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M4KOOMzGWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M4KOOMzGWE
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why do you want to know other opinions? random first post really.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
For the main event, skip to 45secs.
Poor riding from both riders, IMO. Neither show much in the way of anticipation or situational awareness.0 -
VeloLab guy is a dick. I wouldn't ride with him again. Totally his fault.
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It looks like the velotabs guy wasn’t watching what was going on and clipped the guys elbow. To be honest, one minute they are singled out then riding three a breast. Was this just a group ride rather than a chain gang, if so why are they not riding in pairs and closer together. They are taking the whole lane up.0
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Matthewfalle wrote:why do you want to know other opinions? random first post really.
Because I want to hear opinions from people who don't know anyone involved in this crash.0 -
but why? to what end?Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
are you trying to sue or get damages from anyone in the clip?Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Poor group riding all around, I would say. Spread out across the road, three or four people half-wheeling, not enough attention being paid to what's going on ahead, lack of communication backwards when the front of the group is slowing down.
Impossible to say who (if anyone) is to blame for the crash based on this, but it seems like VeloLabs could see the person in front was slowing and decided it was appropriate to half-wheel, and is then blaming the person in front for doing exactly the same thing?0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:are you trying to sue or get damages from anyone in the clip?
I am not involved, but after the crash, the VeloLabs guy still believes he's right, and this is what he wrote which makes me want to find out if he's correct or not.it is perfectly acceptable to hold one’s position when your line is cut, ESPECIALLY if the alternative is being driven off into the left lane with oncoming traffic. Look at the pro peloton and all the shouldering that happens there. It’s part of riding and an “A” rider should know how to handle and react to a shoulder bump.0 -
They are all to blame. Riding on the wrong side of the road. Idiots.I don't do smileys.
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VeloLab guy can see what is happening, but we can't. Hard to tell. Sh!t happens.0
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JamesEs wrote:Poor group riding all around, I would say. Spread out across the road, three or four people half-wheeling, not enough attention being paid to what's going on ahead, lack of communication backwards when the front of the group is slowing down.
Impossible to say who (if anyone) is to blame for the crash based on this, but it seems like VeloLabs could see the person in front was slowing and decided it was appropriate to half-wheel, and is then blaming the person in front for doing exactly the same thing?
this deffo re the group riding: very very poor all round - literally an accident waiting to happen.
communal cause for crash really - no one there really seems to know what they are doing.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
RBC Rider wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:are you trying to sue or get damages from anyone in the clip?
I am not involved, but after the crash, the VeloLabs guy still believes he's right, and this is what he wrote which makes me want to find out if he's correct or not.it is perfectly acceptable to hold one’s position when your line is cut, ESPECIALLY if the alternative is being driven off into the left lane with oncoming traffic. Look at the pro peloton and all the shouldering that happens there. It’s part of riding and an “A” rider should know how to handle and react to a shoulder bump.
velo ridr is full of shittt.
its a sunday amateur club run - he shouldn't be shouldering anyone - its not part of riding and his riding skills definitly do not look like an "A" rider.
he thinks he is a pro but isn't and isn't riding with pros - or even half way decent riders- which is why they fell off and frashed into each other.
everyone to blame.
ego overriding capabilitiesPostby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Just watched it again and Velo tabs shoulders the other guys elbow and velo goes down first.0
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RBC Rider wrote:This happened last Saturday during our group ride
You need to lay down some rules for your 'group rides' - everyone in the clip looks pretty clueless how to behave in a group, tbh.0 -
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That doesn't really look like a particularly hard ride for the riders involved so not sure why velo labs guy decided to shoulder barge the guy in front rather than brake or ride round him.0
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Poor advert for cycling is about the best you can say.
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The pacing over fairly level terrain by the whole group looks all over the shop!
Looks like green jersey rider to the right of rider was "suddenly" caught up by the following two, who reacted horribly late to the situation by trying to swerve rather than brake more and chaos ensued.
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RBC Rider wrote:I am not involved, but after the crash, the VeloLabs guy still believes he's right, and this is what he wrote which makes me want to find out if he's correct or not.it is perfectly acceptable to hold one’s position when your line is cut, ESPECIALLY if the alternative is being driven off into the left lane with oncoming traffic. Look at the pro peloton and all the shouldering that happens there. It’s part of riding and an “A” rider should know how to handle and react to a shoulder bump.
What oncoming traffic? The rider behind VeloLab guy saw what was coming and went to the left of the lot of them, over the lane separation lines, but was unfortunately taken out by VeloLab guy as he fell. Not a single vehicle goes the other way in the opposite lane before the video clip finishes.
As for the “pro peloton” defence, I see plenty of dodgy overtakes and resultant crashes in Formula 1, but I don’t think I can drive like that on my way to work. Sadly.Cube Reaction GTC Pro 29 for the lumpy stuff
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does this follow OPs line of thinking?Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Pretty poor group riding all round. Velo guy most culpable though. Either pass or brake.
You don't barge on a group run. Or any cycle for that matter*. Simple rule.
*Racing may be different but I assume you have to be in the right, or you'll be badly treated in future.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
As I said the guy is a dick. WTF is he complaining about going into the path of oncoming traffic?? It's a dual carriageway ffs! Not once in the whole clip did he look over his shoulder to see who is around him when changing positions. He can hardly talk about "holding the line". He was all over the shop.
The guy is a nob. Don't ride with him.Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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Whoever sat up in the middle of the group caused this, and was exacerbated by pretty much all of you.
1. If you watch the video, there are several riders slowing and dropping back. Quite why, who knows. Did someone flat?
2. As soon as the OP decides to keep the speed up, there's a speed differential in the group and a crash is more likely.
3. The guy in black/red is merely dropping back because the guy in green has slowed. He seems to move sideways to avoid braking too hard. I think he has a Hobson's choice at that point and he's least to blame. At least he's paying attention.
4. Velotool neither slows down nor moves onto the OPs wheel. He looks awfully cool and focussed, but he clearly had his mind on what he was having for lunch because he didn't notice what was going on two bikes in front.
5. By the time he realises what is going on, the Muppet in white has decided to come round them both, also unwilling to slow, so Velotool might have not have been able to move wide.
I'm probably being too charitable and my gut instinct is that he's a tvvat, most because only a tvvat would shoulder barge someone on a group ride. There is just no group ride situation I can imagine, to which shoulder barging is a solution. The best case would be forcing the black/red jersey guy back into green guy and causing a different group of people to crash.
But overall - how much bloody tarmac do you lot need to ride safely? There are narrower airport runways for God's sake.0 -
who are these people (what group/club) and where are they please?Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:who are these people (what group/club) and where are they please?
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Velolab needs his seat higher and was his fault IMO, like he was trying to barge through.
If you watch it in slow mo before the shoulder impact you can see him lean in :evil:
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Dear god. What a dogs dinner of a ride. People all over the place. Knobs who think they're in the Tour ramming others.
It's not a race. Someone needs to bollock the lot of them.
Ride 2 up and through and off. That's predicable. This looks like everyone's playing at Tour riding but on an open road.
No wonder motorists moan - I thought we must be watching a closed road race.0
