E-Bikes and KOMs

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  • yiannism
    yiannism Posts: 345
    I dont like ebikes, but i can see their value for some people, i am even thinking to be my n+1 for commuting. I HATE when i am giving it all on a climb and i am watching some random fat guy to pass me with easy, but as far as about strava i am only compete with my self, and i think that app took out lots of fun from the sport.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJm1y0o7MHc
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    CookeeeMonster wrote:
    Ps. For the record, ebikes are limited to pedal assistance up to 15mph - if they are breaking koms they are probably illegally on the road and thats an entirely different issue...

    15.5 mph I think and up some hills that's some going.
  • manglier
    manglier Posts: 1,279
    e-bike schmike. If it has a motor on it, it's a motor bike.
  • ZMC888
    ZMC888 Posts: 292
    Strava just need to make the top 10 of every segment leaderboard HR and power if set from 1st January 2019 onwards.

    I love ebikes for old people and commuters, but get getting aggressive emtbers up my butt hole on singletrack and stealing road KOMs sucks.

    Earn your freaking stripes, train and get fit to get your cardio. There's enough cheats on Zwift already.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    TonySJ wrote:
    It's the longer 4 minute plus segments that show effort and commitment..

    Sir Chris Hoy says "thanks, I'll try to find a career with more effort and commitment in my future lives". :wink:
    Faster than a tent.......
  • slowbike
    slowbike Posts: 8,498
    Rolf F wrote:
    TonySJ wrote:
    It's the longer 4 minute plus segments that show effort and commitment..

    Sir Chris Hoy says "thanks, I'll try to find a career with more effort and commitment in my future lives". :wink:

    I'd think that even now, his 4 minute efforts would outstrip the 3 second power achievable by many on here ... ;)
  • naavt
    naavt Posts: 226
    ZMC888 wrote:
    Strava just need to make the top 10 of every segment leaderboard HR and power if set from 1st January 2019 onwards.

    I love ebikes for old people and commuters, but get getting aggressive emtbers up my butt hole on singletrack and stealing road KOMs sucks.

    Earn your freaking stripes, train and get fit to get your cardio. There's enough cheats on Zwift already.

    If I understood your first paragraph the right way, that makes a lot of sense.

    HR and Power (even if power it’s the one calculated by Strava), are good predictments for getting rid of some cheating over achievements. I suspect that no one would take a kilometer long hill KOM with 120bpm

    And for what is worth, I’m with you on the rest of the text!

    I’ve been noticing that there’s a new trend out there! That’s fat blokes and ladies that pick their e-bikes on Sunday to do 5kms rides just to get KOMs on the way up, nothing more!
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    I've not noticed that - how are you monitoring this ?
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    i think i might get one. they look a laugh, up to the top of the moor easy and then extra weight for the down. brilliant, whats not to like? infact it could make human powered trail and XC riding a niche and slightly peverse sport.
  • chippyk
    chippyk Posts: 529
    I learnt many years ago that comparing yourself to someone else is pointless in any aspect of life. Judge yourself by your own efforts and you’ll be happier. Who cares if someone has a bigger house, better car, better job or more KOMs. Be proud of your own achievements for a happy man is not one who has what they want, but wants what they have.
  • naavt
    naavt Posts: 226
    ChippyK wrote:
    I learnt many years ago that comparing yourself to someone else is pointless in any aspect of life. Judge yourself by your own efforts and you’ll be happier. Who cares if someone has a bigger house, better car, better job or more KOMs. Be proud of your own achievements for a happy man is not one who has what they want, but wants what they have.

    I’m with you all the way - except on this matter! I’m not talking about money here, but to judge our fitness by what others - like us amateurs - can do in the same sport.

    I also acknowledge that everyone is different, but if all amateur cyclists were to be different than me in this regard, I suspect that things like Zwift challenges and group rides wouldn’t exist, or for what it matters... KOMs.

    There’s no interest in creating a podium that no one care about right?
  • giantcannon
    giantcannon Posts: 23
    Had an e-biker telling me that he worked harder in his because it weighed more. Ok mate.
  • giantcannon
    giantcannon Posts: 23
    Had an e-biker telling me that he worked harder with his because it weighed more. Ok mate.
  • haydenm
    haydenm Posts: 2,997
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    i think i might get one. they look a laugh, up to the top of the moor easy and then extra weight for the down. brilliant, whats not to like? infact it could make human powered trail and XC riding a niche and slightly peverse sport.

    What's not to like? The extra weight for the down part!

    I'm only really competitive for KOMs on technical/hard downhill mtb stuff so an Ebike would be no advantage at all, I'm not bothered. Now I've stopped racing I can't imagine I'll see another one either :lol:

    I have been slightly tempted by a big enduro ebike though, part of the reason I gave up lugging my enduro bike round was that I could get so much more riding done in a day on the hardtail and I could still ride all the tracks I enjoy without dying immediately. It's a nice idea but I don't think I'll ever bring myself to buy one
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,166
    If only someone had invented a motorised bike before now.
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    I use Strava to compare my own efforts and monitor my own improvement. However I only compare myself with other riders when it involves a number on our backs...
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  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    Strava will be irrelevant soon enough.. and who would care anyway
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    A fully pimped ebike from Ribble.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,106
    Once battery technology advances to the point something like that Ribble can do 300watts for 4-5 hours you wonder whether the riders will actually do much pedalling. I mean the temptation to put a bit of a boost on whenever it gets hard must be huge.

    I can sort of see the attraction on a MTB where there is a much bigger technical element or on a commuting machine where it's about getting from A to B but on a road bike isn't putting the effort in kind of the only point? I suppose when you are too old to keep up with fast groups maybe but there have always been groups of older riders doing the same as younger riders only a bit slower.
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  • navrig2
    navrig2 Posts: 1,851
    They will be putting petrol engines on two wheels at some point. Once that happens the KOMs will leave the fraternity for ever.
  • thistle_
    thistle_ Posts: 7,218
    Navrig2 wrote:
    They will be putting petrol engines on two wheels at some point. Once that happens the KOMs will leave the fraternity for ever.
    Not sure if that's tongue in cheek or not.
    Always remember an old guy we met at some cycling event years ago who'd stuck a scooter engine on a GT aggressor because the shrapnel in his leg from the war meant he couldn't pedal up the hills any more :mrgreen:
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,106
    Old fashioned mopeds used to have pedals too didn't they, at least for a period there was some kind of law/regulation requiring it.

    Going further back small petrol engines attached to bicycles was a thing, I believe they acted with a roller on the tyre? I remember as a kid my dad pointing one out to me as something from his youth and he's in his mid 80s now.
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  • Killerclown
    Killerclown Posts: 110
    I got passed on a flat section of road, by someone on an e-bike yesterday. I was at about 23mph, and this clown shot past like I was going backwards, but he wasn’t pedalling, so I guess it was an illegally modified motor. It was making a hell of a racket as well. I had to laugh. I don’t know if he was a Stravashole or not, but presumably if he was, the effort would look ‘odd’ and dummies would be spat all over the place.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Killerclown wrote:
    I was at about 23mph

    Yeah, right..
  • PhilipPirrip
    PhilipPirrip Posts: 616
    Imposter wrote:
    Killerclown wrote:
    I was at about 23mph

    Yeah, right..
    Could the truth be that it was an unmodified ebike doing 15.5mph and he got overtaken cos he's really fooking slow, what with a rucksack and all?
  • timothyw
    timothyw Posts: 2,482
    Lest we forget, as a point of principle he keeps cadence below 40 at all times.
  • navrig2
    navrig2 Posts: 1,851
    thistle (MBNW) wrote:
    Navrig2 wrote:
    They will be putting petrol engines on two wheels at some point. Once that happens the KOMs will leave the fraternity for ever.
    Not sure if that's tongue in cheek or not.
    Always remember an old guy we met at some cycling event years ago who'd stuck a scooter engine on a GT aggressor because the shrapnel in his leg from the war meant he couldn't pedal up the hills any more :mrgreen:

    Tongue in cheek, moi? :wink:
  • Maglia_Rosa
    Maglia_Rosa Posts: 72
    I didn’t know this was a thing but yeah Strava need to come up with a method to eradicate these cheats from the top of the KOM’s.
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    None inflammatory question .... but why the heck do you care about what is on Strava 'leaderboards'?
    No point in posting on a UK forum, you need to open the discussion with Strava themselves, if you can fathom out who you are actually talking to in these faceless internet businesses.
  • Killerclown
    Killerclown Posts: 110
    PhilipPirrip wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Killerclown wrote:
    I was at about 23mph

    Yeah, right..
    Could the truth be that it was an unmodified ebike doing 15.5mph and he got overtaken cos he's really fooking slow, what with a rucksack and all?

    Yeah, you keep telling yourself that poppet.
  • lettingthedaysgoby
    lettingthedaysgoby Posts: 1,732
    23 mph at a cadence of 50rpm would require a 66 tooth chainring :mrgreen:

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