Moderate alcohol consumption and performance - quantification?

pinno

This for the consumption of beer for rehydration purposes is inconclusive (unfortunately).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5066341/

I do remember of the 6 times I fell off my bike in my final year at Uni, the one time I was sober, I made a mess of myself. Hardly a mark for the other 5 times, drunk as a skunk.

pblakeney

Pinno wrote:

This for the consumption of beer for rehydration purposes is inconclusive (unfortunately).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5066341/

Inconclusive?
That means you may as well...

pinno

PBlakeney wrote:

Pinno wrote:

This for the consumption of beer for rehydration purposes is inconclusive (unfortunately).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5066341/

Inconclusive?
That means you may as well...

Exactly. ...and seen as stress, anxiety and processed foods will kill you quicker...

haydenm

I wouldn't know, I've never tried being sober.

Matthewfalle

HaydenM wrote:

I wouldn't know, I've never tried being sober.

#sobersucks

neeb

Bottle of Guinness Original and a shot of blueberry Pálinka made by a Hungarian friend tonight. (hic..!)

Vino'sGhost

bobmcstuff wrote:

Term1te wrote:

About 200 calories in a pint of beer, so one every evening = 1400 in a week or 5600 in a month.
One pound of human fat = ca. 3500 calories
If you swap your beer for something with zero calories after a month you'll be 1.5 lbs lighter, on average.

About 320 calories in half a bottle of wine, so even more room for weight savings.

That said, I probably drink too much, but try to stay dry on 'school nights' and the week before a big race.

I know a guy who half way around the Marmotte stopped to buy several cans of beer. He didn't finish.

I thought there was some debate around how well calories from alcohol are actually metabolised.

Personally I find I do my best cycling on a 5-6 pint hangover. I think this is because it's enough that I feel like cr@p to begin with so my expectations regarding performance are drastically lowered. But then when I actually get going I start to feel alright quite quickly, so I end up exceeding expectations.

I do tend to get back from the pub quicker the more beers I have had, unless I need to stop at the takeaway on the way. Which adds quite a few calories as well.

I had a skinfull on Saturday night more than ten pints and did a TT in the morning, after a long turbo warm up of 40 mins I should have been ready to go. Went off a little hard at120% plus of FTP tried to keep it lower I couldnt and then tried to keep power up and couldnt it was only the last half mile or so that everything started working properly. That last half mile was world class

haydenm

I noticed after drinking heavily in Tenerife earlier in the year, the rides where I was properly hungover I had a HR of 10-20bpm higher on the climbs which made it quite unsustainable. This was unfortunate as the guy I was with was much fitter than me and I was doing everything I could to stay in a sensible HR zone, as soon as I got going it was into Threshold. You are also apparently at greater risk of atrial fibrillation if you train while hungover but I don't know how true that is

gweeds

Note how the thread is about moderate consumption.

pinno

Gweeds wrote:

Note how the thread is about moderate consumption.

Whotsh yoo sayin'!?

gweeds

Hic

pblakeney

Moderation is to be admired. In moderation.
My moderation may well differ from your moderation.

literider

Smiles all round at your beer comment equating increased wattage.. :shock:
I am assuming your energy systems come from carbs ( from the beer comment) .
If you are on keto and consume alcohol that has sugar in it, you will not likely not be able to remain in nutritional ketosis.
If you consume alcohol that has no sugar in it ( spirits ) then you may still stay in ketosis. There are scores of Utube videos on alcohol and ketosis if you like this topic.
The sensible approach is to minimise as much as possible clearly. There are alcohol free beers around but we're back on the sugar wagon on those.

neeb

Logos wrote:

Smiles all round at your beer comment equating increased wattage.. :shock:
I am assuming your energy systems come from carbs ( from the beer comment) .
If you are on keto and consume alcohol that has sugar in it, you will not likely not be able to remain in nutritional ketosis.
If you consume alcohol that has no sugar in it ( spirits ) then you may still stay in ketosis. There are scores of Utube videos on alcohol and ketosis if you like this topic.
The sensible approach is to minimise as much as possible clearly. There are alcohol free beers around but we're back on the sugar wagon on those.

And if you're a flat-earther of course you should also avoid any alcohol, no one knows where the edge of the world is and you could fall off at any time. Sober vigilance definitely recommended!

gweeds

Hands up who’s on keto?

NOT ME

pinno

WTF is 'Keto'?!

CBA googling it.

pblakeney

Pinno wrote:

WTF is 'Keto'?!

CBA googling it.

I googled it. :oops: It is one of those stupid (non balanced) diet things that people who don't exercise (cycle) enough do.

bobmcstuff

Pinno wrote:

WTF is 'Keto'?!

CBA googling it.

Isn't that a horse tranquiliser?

pinno

bobmcstuff wrote:

Pinno wrote:

WTF is 'Keto'?!

CBA googling it.

Isn't that a horse tranquiliser?

Nah, it was Clouseau's side kick.

pinno

What happened to the beetroot diet?

jgsi

Pinno wrote:

What happened to the beetroot diet?

The market bottomed out.

thiscocks

Matthewfalle wrote:

HaydenM wrote:

I wouldn't know, I've never tried being sober.

#sobersucks

#Letsseehowmanytimesyoucanuseafuckinghashtaginathreadandstillthinkitsfunny

Matthewfalle

thiscocks wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

HaydenM wrote:

I wouldn't know, I've never tried being sober.

#sobersucks

#Letsseehowmanytimesyoucanuseafuckinghashtaginathreadandstillthinkitsfunny

#anger
#rage
#bepeaceful,dude

pinno

#Itpalesintoinsignificancesincewelostthegirls.

Matthewfalle

Pinno wrote:

#Itpalesintoinsignificancesincewelostthegirls.

#sadness
#emptiness
#magazinesinthegarage

Vino'sGhost

some of my best ever rides have been after a heavy night on the beer...

If you keep to not much more than a bottle of decent quality red its fine in the morning, cheap wine, rubbish chemical lager and other chemical soups much less good for your cycling.

pints of belgian stuff = poor performance

A few weeks ago i didn't have a drink one evening and was surprised how good i felt the next morning. I might try it again.

cycleclinic

I once ride back from Wirral to glemsford. 232 miles. The night before out with the wife and one of her friends, and tried keeping up. Proper hangover the following. Got up 3 hrs late and started the ride with a hangover. Low pressure rear tub and pump that did not work and light that failed were all part of it. Got home in 17hrs. A skinful does not seem to do any harm.

neeb

I'm suspecting that a whole bunch of factors are involved - amount drunk (obviously), time to process it, whether a night's sleep is involved, type of riding (hight intensity vs. endurance etc).

I conducted an accidental experiment last week. I'd planned an evening indoor interval session @ threshold (about 35mins at 100% FTP). There was a festive drinks session earlier on at work though. I had two pretty small glasses of wine and a small glass of home made cider - probably about four units of alcohol in total. Interval session was about four hours later, so theorectically just about enough time to process the alcohol. I drank plenty of water in the interim period.

Couldn't finish the session - managed 20mins @ FTP and exploded. Noticed that HR was significantly higher than normal when warming up.

Pretty sure I'd have been fine if the session had been the next day. Maybe I'd also have been fine if I'd still been under the influence when I started.. ;-)

N0bodyOfTheGoat

Had several glasses of wine yesterday for first time this year, felt ok at the time, but awful night's sleep and then feeling progressively worse today... Trying to decide whether to jump on turbo for a session a long way from my estimated FTP, in the hope feeling marginally better after some exercise and the crazy amount of food consumed in the last ~24 hours, or just write the day off and knock myself out tomorrow.

#Firstworldissues

Edit: Ended up doing ~2hrs recovery ride, up and down Roadgrandtours Stelvio Pass, at the time it was far bigger a mental challenge than physical... But later discovered I was a little saddle sore!

bobmcstuff

Presumably of you only do it once in a year it will have a bigger effect...