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Moorland Fires Near Manchester

mr_goomr_goo Posts: 3,770
edited July 2018 in The cake stop
Seeing as this fire situation on the moors near Manchester is getting beyond the capabilities of our fire crews. Why haven't the UK asked the French or Spanish governments to assist with their water bombers? Or better still use RAF Chinooks with those huge water buckets?
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  • mrfpbmrfpb Posts: 4,567
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Seeing as this fire situation on the moors near Manchester is getting beyond the capabilities of our fire crews. Why haven't the UK asked the French or Spanish governments to assist with their water bombers? Or better still use RAF Chinooks with those huge water buckets?
    They are using RAF Chinnooks. Well, at least one has gone up.
    I think it's more strategy and method, rather than numbers. Some USA or Australian support may be more relevant.
  • mr_goomr_goo Posts: 3,770
    mrfpb wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Seeing as this fire situation on the moors near Manchester is getting beyond the capabilities of our fire crews. Why haven't the UK asked the French or Spanish governments to assist with their water bombers? Or better still use RAF Chinooks with those huge water buckets?
    They are using RAF Chinnooks. Well, at least one has gone up.
    I think it's more strategy and method, rather than numbers. Some USA or Australian support may be more relevant.

    Trump would never sanction any assistance as he quite rightly believes the US do enough in the UK with defence. Australia too far away.
    Back to our excellent but good old fashioned fire service trying to put out a raging rural fire with beaters. Marvellous.
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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 11,658
    But Goo, thanks to you and yours, we have taken back control and thrown off the shackles of reliance on support from those pesky Europeans, wot wiv their expertise and equipment and that... Good old Brit beaters best.
  • verylonglegsverylonglegs Posts: 3,780
    Leave it to the experts eh Goo? If you've no idea and experience of the work of fire-fighting why the hell would you query it?
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 54,487
    verylonglegs wrote:
    Leave it to the experts eh Goo? If you've no idea and experience of the work of fire-fighting why the hell would you query it?
    This.
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  • mr_goomr_goo Posts: 3,770
    verylonglegs wrote:
    Leave it to the experts eh Goo? If you've no idea and experience of the work of fire-fighting why the hell would you query it?

    I query the fighting methods and the UKs lack of hardware resources for tackling rural fire on this scale.
    We are quick enough as a country to send assistance to those in need. Yet in return we get b***er all when we need a bit of help.

    BTW for those pro EU this topic is not another In/Out argument as some want to turn it into.
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  • mr_goomr_goo Posts: 3,770
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    verylonglegs wrote:
    Leave it to the experts eh Goo? If you've no idea and experience of the work of fire-fighting why the hell would you query it?
    This.
    Stevo. I question the response to the event because to ME it seems we could do with some aerial hardware to help our fire fighters. As they do in every country where there are occurrences of large and hard to fight rural bush, forest and heathland fires.
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  • mrfpbmrfpb Posts: 4,567
    It's not unusual for bush fires and forest fires to last this long in countries where there is a high level of expertise and infrastructure to deal with them. As far as I'm aware, mosrvresidents were made safe asap on the first day, its now about minimising property damage.
    And you are trying to score political points with your comments about Trump and other (EU) nations not helping.
    If you wish to continue arguing from a position of ignorance, go ahead. Just don't whine when you get a negative response.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 54,487
    mrfpb wrote:
    It's not unusual for bush fires and forest fires to last this long in countries where there is a high level of expertise and infrastructure to deal with them. As far as I'm aware, mosrvresidents were made safe asap on the first day, its now about minimising property damage.
    And you are trying to score political points with your comments about Trump and other (EU) nations not helping.
    If you wish to continue arguing from a position of ignorance, go ahead. Just don't whine when you get a negative response.
    This as well.
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  • cougiecougie Posts: 22,512
    They've definitely been using helicopters to douse the flames with water.

    As has been said fires like this last for weeks in places that are used to them and have the expertise.

    I like this idea of European cooperation though. Maybe we should join some organisation.
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    They could bat the flames back using blue passports.

    One sight of those mighty documents and even the most torrid of flames will head off crying.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • robert88robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Burning of moorland vegetation needs to be very carefully controlled as the peat itself can catch fire, and this can be difficult if not impossible to extinguish

    Fort McMurray — After 458 days, the Horse River fire that destroyed thousands of homes and scattered tens of thousands of people across Canada is finally dead.


    Even after the fire was declared under control on July 4, 2016, embers burned throughout the area during the fall. As the days grew colder, it burned underground and remained there throughout winter.

    When a fire burns as long and as intensely as the Horse River fire, it is not unusual for a fire to smoulder underground during the winter, feeding off peat and dead vegetation, before returning to the surface in the spring.
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    They could bat the flames back using blue passports.

    One sight of those mighty documents and even the most torrid of flames will head off crying.

    :lol:
  • sandyballssandyballs Posts: 577
    I thought Chimera was on his way to assist laden with litres of southern spring water to douse the northern moors! If only there was a way to stop it rubbing his legs he would be there already.
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 54,487
    Sandyballs wrote:
    I thought Chimera was on his way to assist laden with litres of southern spring water to douse the northern moors! If only there was a way to stop it rubbing his legs he would be there already.
    :D
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  • ProssPross Posts: 36,345
    It’s about containing first isn’t it? I remember as a kid in ‘76 a moorland fire on the Blorenge (top of The Tumble) burning for months as the peat caught fire. I’m sure our fire services know the best strategy for dealing with this type of fire which is probably very different to the typical brush fires in Southern Europe, the US, Oz etc.
  • slowmartslowmart Posts: 4,364
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Seeing as this fire situation on the moors near Manchester is getting beyond the capabilities of our fire crews. Why haven't the UK asked the French or Spanish governments to assist with their water bombers? Or better still use RAF Chinooks with those huge water buckets?


    We don't want your citizens taking our jobs, we don't want your trade, we don't want your European Court of Justice holding HMG to account when they act illegally , we don't want your EU parliament diluting or imposing new regulatory reform or laws on our citizens

    BUT

    Can we borrow some of your fire fight equipment as some Brexit voting censored * has set fire to some moorland.

    What do you think their answer would be?

    * The arsonist must have to have voted for Brexit as he's proved himself thick as censored for (a) starting the fire (b) getting caught.
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 54,487
    Slowmart wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Seeing as this fire situation on the moors near Manchester is getting beyond the capabilities of our fire crews. Why haven't the UK asked the French or Spanish governments to assist with their water bombers? Or better still use RAF Chinooks with those huge water buckets?


    We don't want your citizens taking our jobs, we don't want your trade, we don't want your European Court of Justice holding HMG to account when they act illegally , we don't want your EU parliament diluting or imposing new regulatory reform or laws on our citizens

    BUT

    Can we borrow some of your fire fight equipment as some Brexit voting ***** has set fire to some moorland.

    What do you think their answer would be?

    * The arsonist must have to have voted for Brexit as he's proved himself thick as shoot for (a) starting the fire (b) getting caught.
    Calm down, we've already go a Brexit thread :wink:
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  • slowmartslowmart Posts: 4,364
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Slowmart wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Seeing as this fire situation on the moors near Manchester is getting beyond the capabilities of our fire crews. Why haven't the UK asked the French or Spanish governments to assist with their water bombers? Or better still use RAF Chinooks with those huge water buckets?


    We don't want your citizens taking our jobs, we don't want your trade, we don't want your European Court of Justice holding HMG to account when they act illegally , we don't want your EU parliament diluting or imposing new regulatory reform or laws on our citizens

    BUT

    Can we borrow some of your fire fight equipment as some Brexit voting ***** has set fire to some moorland.

    What do you think their answer would be?

    * The arsonist must have to have voted for Brexit as he's proved himself thick as shoot for (a) starting the fire (b) getting caught.
    Calm down, we've already go a Brexit thread :wink:

    Did you have a good break Stevo?
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  • FishFishFishFish Posts: 2,152
    Let it burn - hopefully it will destroy the north of england - if there is anything there worth destroying.
    ...take your pickelf on your holibobs.... :D

    jeez :roll:
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 11,658
    Fishy non gender specific person, are you trying to pick elf a fight with absolutely everyone? Or are your bot operating parameters set too wide?
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 25,044
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Slowmart wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Seeing as this fire situation on the moors near Manchester is getting beyond the capabilities of our fire crews. Why haven't the UK asked the French or Spanish governments to assist with their water bombers? Or better still use RAF Chinooks with those huge water buckets?


    We don't want your citizens taking our jobs, we don't want your trade, we don't want your European Court of Justice holding HMG to account when they act illegally , we don't want your EU parliament diluting or imposing new regulatory reform or laws on our citizens

    BUT

    Can we borrow some of your fire fight equipment as some Brexit voting ***** has set fire to some moorland.

    What do you think their answer would be?

    * The arsonist must have to have voted for Brexit as he's proved himself thick as shoot for (a) starting the fire (b) getting caught.
    Calm down, we've already go a Brexit thread :wink:
    Also started by you know who. Coincidence? I think not.
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  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Seeing as this fire situation on the moors near Manchester is getting beyond the capabilities of our fire crews. Why haven't the UK asked the French or Spanish governments to assist with their water bombers? Or better still use RAF Chinooks with those huge water buckets?


    They are using helicopters.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
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