Gearing Question
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^So explain to me, how does a vacuum affect speed at a particular cadence?0
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donslow wrote:What is meant also by intensity of the ride?! How would I gauge this and use that information?!
What sort of cadence should a person of my intermiediacy be aiming for? Is there a way of gauging this without the use of expensive cadence sensors?!
How do I gauge my power and what sort of numbers should I be looking for?
Again, at my level of intermediacy, should I be concentrating on these things listed above?!
Intensity of the ride is pretty much saying how much effort you put into the ride, in total. Strava and the like, will give you 2 metrics of interest for gauging this. KJ ( KiloJoules ) is one, Calories ( KiloCalories) is the other. KiloCalories and KJs are usually a similar number, the difference is that KiloCalories is the resultant effect on you personally, KJs is the power you’ve exerted multiplied by the time you exerted it for, and is independent of whether there was a person doing it. You can use it to judge how your performance is improving, without the interventions of weather / road conditions and the like. A metric like average speed, for example, is far to easily influenced by things like strong winds, whether you rode through congested urban areas, and so on, to be a useful guide, unless you’re comparing identical rides, in identical conditions.0 -
Here we go again....
Calories and Joules both measure the same thing, in different units. Like miles and kilometers.0 -
Milemuncher1 wrote:donslow wrote:What is meant also by intensity of the ride?! How would I gauge this and use that information?!
What sort of cadence should a person of my intermiediacy be aiming for? Is there a way of gauging this without the use of expensive cadence sensors?!
How do I gauge my power and what sort of numbers should I be looking for?
Again, at my level of intermediacy, should I be concentrating on these things listed above?!
Intensity of the ride is pretty much saying how much effort you put into the ride, in total. Strava and the like, will give you 2 metrics of interest for gauging this. KJ ( KiloJoules ) is one, Calories ( KiloCalories) is the other. KiloCalories and KJs are usually a similar number, the difference is that KiloCalories is the resultant effect on you personally, KJs is the power you’ve exerted multiplied by the time you exerted it for, and is independent of whether there was a person doing it. You can use it to judge how your performance is improving, without the interventions of weather / road conditions and the like. A metric like average speed, for example, is far to easily influenced by things like strong winds, whether you rode through congested urban areas, and so on, to be a useful guide, unless you’re comparing identical rides, in identical conditions.
WTF? OP, just count how many times either leg comes to the top in a minute to gauge what your cadence is. If you're looking to get fit, you don't want to ride around at a slow cadence in a big gear. All it will do is build leg strength, if anything at all. There's a table of Rate of Perceived Exertion or RPE that you might find useful to try. There are variations of it going from 5 stages, to 7 stages to umpteen stages. Choose one that you can relate to easily. You want to get off the bike at the end of a ride, feeling like you can go a little bit further, but not much. Then you know you've worked hard.
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Also, you don't have to do long rides. Short rides at around threshold such as over under are just as useful.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0 -
Milemuncher1 no offence intended but I'm a novice cyclist, not a moron, even I can see your trying to flex and baffle with science when your not a scientist.
For everyone else, thank you, a lot of what is being said is starting to make a lot more sense now, from your posts I can see the differences between, if you want to break it down, cardio riding and powerful?! Riding and where I can utilise both to get a little fitter and quicker.
I'm starting to think a cadence sensor might well be a worthwhile investment as I'm getting the feeling that a correct and proper, or even just a regular cadence could be a major key in this whole scenario, I figure, and correct me if I'm wrong, It'll help me see what I'm doing and help me to know how it feels on my body, does that make sense?!
Intensity I'm thinking is just how much effort your putting in so intensity would be higher in a harder gear at 80rpm than maybe a slightly lower gear at the same cadence
In regards to the comment made re: end of a ride and feeling like you could go a little further, would "wobbly legs" where you can really feel your thighs have had a ride be the same sort of feeling?!
I've been trying to really push myself the last couple of days or so on my rides by deliberately selecting gears I would normally tend to shy away from and trying to stay in the big ring as much as possible and have found myself getting "wobbly legs" more than ever before after my ride, I can only assume this is a good thing and I'm doing something right?!
Bugger me! It's all starting to make sense now......I think.....0 -
If I have this right, basically, to get quicker you need to be riding, ideally, in a harder gear, building up fitness and leg strength will help me get to a point where I should be able to do this and this is why there are people passing me without seeming to be putting in as much effort as I do
Essentially, yes, riding at a level of intensity that is uncomfortable will, over time, improve your fitness. It is fitness though rather than leg strength, you are not really making your legs stronger in the sense of improving muscular force but rather improving your aerobic capacity which leads to increased musuclar endurance, although as I often point out I am not an expert and there are forum members with a far better grasp of physiology than me!What is meant also by intensity of the ride?! How would I gauge this and use that information?!
Personally I am referring to training zones. Have a look at Coggan's power zones for more info if you have not done so already. You can also just go on feel though or what is referred to as "Rated Perceived Exertion" (RPE), where you are basically judging how hard your effort on a ride is on a scale of 1-10. Difficult to say how you could use it though as it is related to your training goals i.e. if you were aiming to become a time trial specialist you would be spending a lot of time riding at threshold, or a pretty hard effort under RPE.How do I gauge my power and what sort of numbers should I be looking for?
A power meter is the only way. Don't get too hung up on power though, as you are a new cyclist this will potentially change dramatically over time (hopefully increasing
). Being on the smaller side, power is also not the be all, unless you are genetically blessed with the physiology of a pro you are unlikely to ever churn out huge numbers but you can make up for it by improving other areas of your fitness, aerodynamics and general bike handling skills. 0 -
Mad_Malx wrote:Here we go again....
Calories and Joules both measure the same thing, in different units. Like miles and kilometers.
No, KJ could be anything, man, machine, sheep, you name it. Calories ( in this specific case) is affected by the biology of the person doing the exertion. Hence the reason the numbers are different on Strava et al. These take account of things like age / weight etc, to give an adjustment between KJ and Kcal.0 -
You really don’t have a clue do you?philthy3 wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:donslow wrote:What is meant also by intensity of the ride?! How would I gauge this and use that information?!
What sort of cadence should a person of my intermiediacy be aiming for? Is there a way of gauging this without the use of expensive cadence sensors?!
How do I gauge my power and what sort of numbers should I be looking for?
Again, at my level of intermediacy, should I be concentrating on these things listed above?!
Intensity of the ride is pretty much saying how much effort you put into the ride, in total. Strava and the like, will give you 2 metrics of interest for gauging this. KJ ( KiloJoules ) is one, Calories ( KiloCalories) is the other. KiloCalories and KJs are usually a similar number, the difference is that KiloCalories is the resultant effect on you personally, KJs is the power you’ve exerted multiplied by the time you exerted it for, and is independent of whether there was a person doing it. You can use it to judge how your performance is improving, without the interventions of weather / road conditions and the like. A metric like average speed, for example, is far to easily influenced by things like strong winds, whether you rode through congested urban areas, and so on, to be a useful guide, unless you’re comparing identical rides, in identical conditions.
WTF? OP, just count how many times either leg comes to the top in a minute to gauge what your cadence is. If you're looking to get fit, you don't want to ride around at a slow cadence in a big gear. All it will do is build leg strength, if anything at all. There's a table of Rate of Perceived Exertion or RPE that you might find useful to try. There are variations of it going from 5 stages, to 7 stages to umpteen stages. Choose one that you can relate to easily. You want to get off the bike at the end of a ride, feeling like you can go a little bit further, but not much. Then you know you've worked hard.
https://fitlife101.files.wordpress.com/ ... pture2.png
Also, you don't have to do long rides. Short rides at around threshold such as over under are just as useful.0 -
donslow wrote:Milemuncher1 no offence intended but I'm a novice cyclist, not a moron, even I can see your trying to flex and baffle with science when your not a scientist
I am a scientist, a pretty good one at that.
Look, here I am getting an award from the queen, because I’m that good.
If you want to listen to the clueless on here ( as with most Internet forums ) that’s your shout. I’ll be fcuked if I’m wasting anymore time helping you out.0 -
Milemuncher1 wrote:donslow wrote:Milemuncher1 no offence intended but I'm a novice cyclist, not a moron, even I can see your trying to flex and baffle with science when your not a scientist
I am a scientist, a pretty good one at that.
Look, here I am getting an award from the queen, because I’m that good.
Actual B0llocks0 -
Brakeless wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:donslow wrote:Milemuncher1 no offence intended but I'm a novice cyclist, not a moron, even I can see your trying to flex and baffle with science when your not a scientist
I am a scientist, a pretty good one at that.
Look, here I am getting an award from the queen, because I’m that good.
Actual B0llocks
Suck it up poppet, been there done that, just because you can’t handle it, I couldn’t care less.0 -
Milemuncher1 wrote:Brakeless wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:donslow wrote:Milemuncher1 no offence intended but I'm a novice cyclist, not a moron, even I can see your trying to flex and baffle with science when your not a scientist
I am a scientist, a pretty good one at that.
Look, here I am getting an award from the queen, because I’m that good.
Actual B0llocks
Suck it up poppet, been there done that, just because you can’t handle it, I couldn’t care less.
Prat
Certifications - Emergency First Aid at work
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Brakeless wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:Brakeless wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:donslow wrote:Milemuncher1 no offence intended but I'm a novice cyclist, not a moron, even I can see your trying to flex and baffle with science when your not a scientist
I am a scientist, a pretty good one at that.
Look, here I am getting an award from the queen, because I’m that good.
Actual B0llocks
Suck it up poppet, been there done that, just because you can’t handle it, I couldn’t care less.
Prat
Certifications - Emergency First Aid at work
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/nicholas-pre ... e-356a15b1
Yeah, that’s what they made me do. I really don’t care about all of that crap.
Here it is from a different angle,That’s what counts.
I’ve got plenty of other ‘certifications’, but I’ll be damned if I’ll post them on bloody LinkedIn.
The first aid thing is a bonus, because they paid for it, and I can use it to maintain the British cycling ride leader status, which is yet another stick with which to jab you.0 -
Milemuncher1 wrote:
I am a scientist, a pretty good one at that.
Look, here I am getting an award from the queen, because I’m that good.
A pic of you (if that even is you) meeting the queen is not evidence that you are a 'scientist'. My dad met the queen many times, but he wasn't a scientist...0 -
A scientist that doesn’t understand basic physics, physiology, or units of measurement?0
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For all the miles and riding you claim to do. You are abit of a fat tw@t.Milemuncher1 wrote:Brakeless wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:donslow wrote:Milemuncher1 no offence intended but I'm a novice cyclist, not a moron, even I can see your trying to flex and baffle with science when your not a scientist
I am a scientist, a pretty good one at that.
Look, here I am getting an award from the queen, because I’m that good.
Actual B0llocks
Suck it up poppet, been there done that, just because you can’t handle it, I couldn’t care less.0 -
Milemuncher1 wrote:donslow wrote:Milemuncher1 no offence intended but I'm a novice cyclist, not a moron, even I can see your trying to flex and baffle with science when your not a scientist
I am a scientist, a pretty good one at that.
Look, here I am getting an award from the queen, because I’m that good.
If you want to listen to the clueless on here ( as with most Internet forums ) that’s your shout. I’ll be fcuked if I’m wasting anymore time helping you out.
If that's you buddy, the size of you suggests that your theory for fitness clearly isn't working.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0 -
That was me in 2008, a whole 10 years ago.philthy3 wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:donslow wrote:Milemuncher1 no offence intended but I'm a novice cyclist, not a moron, even I can see your trying to flex and baffle with science when your not a scientist
I am a scientist, a pretty good one at that.
Look, here I am getting an award from the queen, because I’m that good.
If you want to listen to the clueless on here ( as with most Internet forums ) that’s your shout. I’ll be fcuked if I’m wasting anymore time helping you out.
If that's you buddy, the size of you suggests that your theory for fitness clearly isn't working.
This is me now. Obviously I hate to wee on anyone’s cornflakes on here, but as you can see, my fitness / training tips have worked quite well, for me ( about half the weight I used to be, and it’s really helped when I switched from mainly Rugby / fighting sports, with the cycling as a training aid, to mainly cycling ).0 -
You could use those pictures to scare away burglars or the like. You might have lost weight but clearly you are no oil painting.Milemuncher1 wrote:
That was me in 2008, a whole 10 years ago.philthy3 wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:donslow wrote:Milemuncher1 no offence intended but I'm a novice cyclist, not a moron, even I can see your trying to flex and baffle with science when your not a scientist
I am a scientist, a pretty good one at that.
Look, here I am getting an award from the queen, because I’m that good.
If you want to listen to the clueless on here ( as with most Internet forums ) that’s your shout. I’ll be fcuked if I’m wasting anymore time helping you out.
If that's you buddy, the size of you suggests that your theory for fitness clearly isn't working.
This is me now. Obviously I hate to wee on anyone’s cornflakes on here, but as you can see, my fitness / training tips have worked quite well, for me ( about half the weight I used to be, and it’s really helped when I switched from mainly Rugby / fighting sports, with the cycling as a training aid, to mainly cycling ). 0 -
Milemuncher1 wrote:
This is me now. Obviously I hate to wee on anyone’s cornflakes on here, but as you can see, my fitness / training tips have worked quite well, for me ( about half the weight I used to be, and it’s really helped when I switched from mainly Rugby / fighting sports, with the cycling as a training aid, to mainly cycling ).
So much for all those 20 or 30 'years of experience' you claim, if you didn't start riding until 2008...0 -
Imposter wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:
This is me now. Obviously I hate to wee on anyone’s cornflakes on here, but as you can see, my fitness / training tips have worked quite well, for me ( about half the weight I used to be, and it’s really helped when I switched from mainly Rugby / fighting sports, with the cycling as a training aid, to mainly cycling ).
So much for all those 20 or 30 'years of experience' you claim, if you didn't start riding until 2008...
Equally amazing that this bastion of athletic science isn't on the books of a pro-cycling team with his slow cadence theory. Or is it that everyone else can see the folly of it?I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0 -
Searching the public lists of Birthday and New Year honours 2008 doesn't give any results for Prendiville. Can you let us know which list you're on. They are all a matter of public record.
Also, thats the wrong room. And you kneel to receive the award, you don't shake hands.0 -
I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0
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Mad_Malx wrote:A scientist that doesn’t understand basic physics, physiology, or units of measurement?
Oh FFS, there’s irony right there:0 -
mrfpb wrote:Searching the public lists of Birthday and New Year honours 2008 doesn't give any results for Prendiville. Can you let us know which list you're on. They are all a matter of public record.
Also, thats the wrong room. And you kneel to receive the award, you don't shake hands.
Not honours, I’m not that good. It was a hatful of queens awards, what would you know about it, and strictly speaking, I shouldn’t have tried to shake her hand, I just kind of put my hand out, and she shook it. Which is more than you’ll ever manage, I’d imagine. There’s still time, all you need to do is actually be very good at what you do, I reckon her Majesty has a few years left in her yet, if you hurry, you might just get the opportunity, I won’t hold my breath though.0 -
philthy3 wrote:
Wow, regurgitated tripe, on a blog / internet page. Thanks for that.
http://www.triathlete.com/2017/06/train ... ring_53177
You seem to like this sort of thing, enjoy.
I don’t need the 90 / 92 rpm bits, I’m not doing that sort of ride.0 -
philthy3 wrote:Imposter wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:
This is me now. Obviously I hate to wee on anyone’s cornflakes on here, but as you can see, my fitness / training tips have worked quite well, for me ( about half the weight I used to be, and it’s really helped when I switched from mainly Rugby / fighting sports, with the cycling as a training aid, to mainly cycling ).
So much for all those 20 or 30 'years of experience' you claim, if you didn't start riding until 2008...
Equally amazing that this bastion of athletic science isn't on the books of a pro-cycling team with his slow cadence theory. Or is it that everyone else can see the folly of it?
Pro cycling generally doesn’t involve solo unsupported sustained distance riding ( again its relative, pro races / stage races / grand tours, often have very long stages, ridden at high intensity) but I don’t know many grand tour pros personally, and I’ll guarantee that the armchair, keyboard warriors, on certain forums aren’t. They are a very different case, and I’m sure that the ( actually sound principles, for them ) which are regurgitated by the clowns on certain forums, and in certain ‘clubs’ without tailoring the principles to apply to their actual riding, do work very well. They just don’t for the general ( deluded ) ‘tubby clubby’ on a ‘club run, yeah’.0 -
Imposter wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:
This is me now. Obviously I hate to wee on anyone’s cornflakes on here, but as you can see, my fitness / training tips have worked quite well, for me ( about half the weight I used to be, and it’s really helped when I switched from mainly Rugby / fighting sports, with the cycling as a training aid, to mainly cycling ).
So much for all those 20 or 30 'years of experience' you claim, if you didn't start riding until 2008...
I said no such thing, you obviously can’t read. I’ve been riding for 20 or 30 years, I’ve also done other activities, and the bike riding has been supplemental to those activities, or the sole activity, depending on the time. You really do need to try harder, and stop making things up to try ( and fail miserably ) to attempt to make me look bad.0 -
Milemuncher1 wrote:mrfpb wrote:Searching the public lists of Birthday and New Year honours 2008 doesn't give any results for Prendiville. Can you let us know which list you're on. They are all a matter of public record.
Also, thats the wrong room. And you kneel to receive the award, you don't shake hands.
Not honours, I’m not that good. It was a hatful of queens awards, what would you know about it, and strictly speaking, I shouldn’t have tried to shake her hand, I just kind of put my hand out, and she shook it. Which is more than you’ll ever manage, I’d imagine. There’s still time, all you need to do is actually be very good at what you do, I reckon her Majesty has a few years left in her yet, if you hurry, you might just get the opportunity, I won’t hold my breath though.
I have actually met the queen so your not the only one part of your I've met the queen so nur nur nur club
In terms of the advice I originally sought, I have heeded the info given by others and am starting to see SOME gains/benefits/positive changes to my riding already so thank you all, milmuncher1, please, just stop.....0 -
donslow wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:mrfpb wrote:Searching the public lists of Birthday and New Year honours 2008 doesn't give any results for Prendiville. Can you let us know which list you're on. They are all a matter of public record.
Also, thats the wrong room. And you kneel to receive the award, you don't shake hands.
Not honours, I’m not that good. It was a hatful of queens awards, what would you know about it, and strictly speaking, I shouldn’t have tried to shake her hand, I just kind of put my hand out, and she shook it. Which is more than you’ll ever manage, I’d imagine. There’s still time, all you need to do is actually be very good at what you do, I reckon her Majesty has a few years left in her yet, if you hurry, you might just get the opportunity, I won’t hold my breath though.
I have actually met the queen so your not the only one part of your I've met the queen so nur nur nur club
In terms of the advice I originally sought, I have heeded the info given by others and am starting to see SOME gains/benefits/positive changes to my riding already so thank you all, milmuncher1, please, just stop.....
Try listening to those that actually know what they’re talking about ( me for example ) you’ll improve even more. However, it’s your shout, by all means listen to your new ‘bezzy mates’, I’ll be waiting for the “I’m inured, I don’t understand why, oh why me, it’s not fair” post, that’s coming.0
