Giro 2018, Stage 18: Abbiategrasso - Prato Nervoso - 196 km, *Spoilers*

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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    I understand that it's a Dumoulin type stage but i can't see how he can break Yates in the first place so that he can TT into the distance. Yates really needs to just sit on his wheel. I could see Froome going into super spin mode then holding it in TT mode. Yates never did fully close that gap on Saturday.
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  • RichN95.
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    Pross wrote:
    However, Sky seemed keen to get riders in the break yesterday so maybe that's a sign that Froome knows he hasn't got the legs and they are hoping to bag another stage or two instead?
    Sky are fighting Astana for the team competition. So they were marking them. Hence why Poels wouldn't leave the break while Sanchez was there.
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  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    Dumoulin needs either a burst of good fortune to escape the watchful eyes of Yates and his team or for Yates to unexpectedly crack on a day when he shouldn't really suffer.

    It's only the likes of Froome, Pinot or Pozzi doing something in their battles for the podium that might create something unexpected. Yates ought to be protected from any real misfortunes like a crash or mechanical via etiquette, whereas the others don't have that (earned) luxury.
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  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    TD and Frooome will both send a man up the road, they'll then try to bridge with 10k left before the lower slopes and hope Team TT away before the slope negates their power advantage in favour of the climbers.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    TD and Frooome will both send a man up the road, they'll then try to bridge with 10k left before the lower slopes and hope Team TT away before the slope negates their power advantage in favour of the climbers.

    The problem with that plan being the 130kms of flat road, which could make yesterday's breakaway attempts look successful.

    Bit of a nothing headwind, by the looks.

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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,133
    Yates looked like the Etna stage suited him just fine with a similar(ish) profile.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    'mon Pozzo and Pinot, earn that podium spot
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Blazing Saddles wrote:

    meteo-pratonevoso.png

    Why do we never have winds like that here. :(
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,133
    Hoping Chaves has just been taking 10 rest days. He can lead Yates and Pinot up the hill. With O'Connor.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    mididoctors wrote:
    I haven't got a clue what will happen.

    sky giving it a real go seems likely. Whether sunweb join in depends on whether TD has anything left.

    I expect TD to try.

    He has no interest in a podium.
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  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    Win it or bin it etc. May as well give it a go.
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    TD and Frooome will both send a man up the road, they'll then try to bridge with 10k left before the lower slopes and hope Team TT away before the slope negates their power advantage in favour of the climbers.
    Looks like they've missed the break at this point.
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  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    Giro 2018, Stage 18: Abbiategrasso - Prato Nervoso - 196 km

    Freudian slip or alternative spelling?
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  • blazing_saddles
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    Wonder of wonders.
    Ballerini, Cattaneo, Pfiingsten, Plaza, Kuznetsov, van Emden, Boy van Poppel, Marcato, Fonzi, Turrin, Schachmann and Morkov. have a lead of 5'-40" over the bunch.
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  • larkim
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    7m40 according to the Giro (rubbish) tracker.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    anyone of note in the break?
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Wonder of wonders.
    Ballerini, Cattaneo, Pfiingsten, Plaza, Kuznetsov, van Emden, Boy van Poppel, Marcato, Fonzi, Turrin, Schachmann and Morkov. have a lead of 5'-40" over the bunch.

    cheers got ahead of myself
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    do you still get the scooter as the most km in a breakaway prize?
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Early indications that this might end up a fairly defensive stage. It was always going to be the mountain train stage in any case.
    Kirby up first, which in all probability means he will be delivering full blast screaming mode at the finish. :oops:
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  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    With a lull expected once the breakaway has gone, wouldn't a canny team try something interesting about now to catch everyone off guard?
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  • mididoctors
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    IIRC Prato Nervoso is where Menchov crashed going uphill?
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    larkim wrote:
    With a lull expected once the breakaway has gone, wouldn't a canny team try something interesting about now to catch everyone off guard?

    you need more challenging terrain usually to pull of those mid race coups... ag2r in the massif in the tour last year is an example.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    larkim wrote:
    With a lull expected once the breakaway has gone, wouldn't a canny team try something interesting about now to catch everyone off guard?

    Such as?

    Break heading towards a 10 minute lead.

    Fitting, I suppose that it will be Kirby who gets to commentate on a climb called Prato.
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  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    larkim wrote:
    With a lull expected once the breakaway has gone, wouldn't a canny team try something interesting about now to catch everyone off guard?

    Such as?

    Break heading towards a 10 minute lead.

    Fitting, I suppose that it will be Kirby who gets to commentate on a climb called Prato.
    Such as trying to get a second break away with a major contender and a few teammates by sneakily waiting until they are all having a nice chat in the peloton and then gunning it, maybe taking advantage of a turn in the road etc. There's no reason with 1 break gone why there couldn't / shouldn't be another.
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  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    larkim wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    larkim wrote:
    With a lull expected once the breakaway has gone, wouldn't a canny team try something interesting about now to catch everyone off guard?

    Such as?

    Break heading towards a 10 minute lead.

    Fitting, I suppose that it will be Kirby who gets to commentate on a climb called Prato.
    Such as trying to get a second break away with a major contender and a few teammates by sneakily waiting until they are all having a nice chat in the peloton and then gunning it, maybe taking advantage of a turn in the road etc. There's no reason with 1 break gone why there couldn't / shouldn't be another.

    That seems rather optimistic to be honest. It will be dull until at least 5 k before the climb.

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  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,182
    edited May 2018
    I predict feed zone breakaway

    Edit - by Bahrain, because they are the only ones who would
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    larkim wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    larkim wrote:
    With a lull expected once the breakaway has gone, wouldn't a canny team try something interesting about now to catch everyone off guard?

    Such as?

    Break heading towards a 10 minute lead.

    Fitting, I suppose that it will be Kirby who gets to commentate on a climb called Prato.
    Such as trying to get a second break away with a major contender and a few teammates by sneakily waiting until they are all having a nice chat in the peloton and then gunning it, maybe taking advantage of a turn in the road etc. There's no reason with 1 break gone why there couldn't / shouldn't be another.

    you kinda answered your own question.

    your chances of pulling that off increases greatly with some feature of the parcours... hills descents, turning roads.

    even given grippy terrain it's a hard thing to pull off. any teams with riders in the break that are in any split you make are not going to help and any teams that don't have riders in the break but are in the split are just going to sit in for free.

    it's a "non-optimal" tactical situation.
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  • jonginge
    jonginge Posts: 5,945
    edited May 2018
    mididoctors wrote:
    IIRC Prato Nervoso is where Menchov crashed going uphill?
    Yep, and Gerrans won the stage from the break of the day.


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  • inseine
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    Nearly 13 minutes now
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    I predict feed zone breakaway

    Edit - by Bahrain, because they are the only ones who would

    tactically the best attack option left :)
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