Giro 2018, Stage 18: Abbiategrasso - Prato Nervoso - 196 km, *Spoilers*

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  • ben@31
    ben@31 Posts: 2,327
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    I'm at a funeral tomorrow afternoon. It won't be good form watching at a funeral, will it?

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  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    Really hope Yates holds on to the pink jersey. Bit of me would quite like Froome to win - 3 grand tours in a row. Records are to be broken, and that would be a pretty impressive feat (leaving inhalergate to one side of course).

    Both of them, Yates more so, have given something to the race, TD has just been consistent and followed. Partisan bias aside, I'd rather someone who has attacked wins.

    But who'd have thunk it? Years ago there wasn't a single rider at the tour, so we had to cheer Max Sciandri, now 2 riders in contention in the final week of the Giro. Ruddy Norah!
  • onyourright
    onyourright Posts: 509
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    […] TD has just been consistent and followed. Partisan bias aside, I'd rather someone who has attacked wins.
    Today he attacked Yates (and the others) with something like 1.5 km to go and no idea whether it would backfire or not. That took some bravery given what has happened over the last two weeks. It paid off for him, but it might have gone the other way and buried his hopes of the GC win today.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Pozzovivo leading Froome in #justsaying.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    DeVlaeminck wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    I'm at a funeral tomorrow afternoon. It won't be good form watching at a funeral, will it?


    Mute it, or better still headphones

    Not if Carlton is commentating.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Schachmann is the real deal isn’t he?

    Phwoar
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Schachmann is the real deal isn’t he?

    Phwoar
    When Plaza came back for the 9th time or whatever it was I was definitely rooting for him over the other 2.

    But yeah, Schachmann is really good.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    :lol:
    ben@31 wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    I'm at a funeral tomorrow afternoon. It won't be good form watching at a funeral, will it?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtji4wRQBk
  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    Just as a summary:-
    TT gains by TD - 1m35s
    Climbing gains by TD - 28s
    Climbing gains by SY - 1m56
    (So net climbing gains by SY 1m28)
    Net position on the road - TD ahead by 7s
    Net stage bonus seconds gained by SY - 35s
    Net advantage by SY - 28s
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Pozzovivo leading Froome in #justsaying.

    Yeah, but Froome did all the work. Was a little surprised he put so much in, with Tom and Pozzovivo on his wheel, and also that Dumoulin especially didn't look to take a turn.
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  • larkim
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    I did half think that the individual who did the most damage to Yates without gaining much himself was Froome. Not very patriotic ;-)
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  • Mad_Malx
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    Where did Chaves come in? Any chance of him repaying that win in the next two days?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    larkim wrote:
    I did half think that the individual who did the most damage to Yates without gaining much himself was Froome. Not very patriotic ;-)
    But for a lot of the time he was following Poels, who was patriotically helping Dumoulin.
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  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    larkim wrote:
    Just as a summary:-
    TT gains by TD - 1m35s
    Climbing gains by TD - 28s
    Climbing gains by SY - 1m56
    (So net climbing gains by SY 1m28)
    Net position on the road - TD ahead by 7s
    Net stage bonus seconds gained by SY - 35s
    Net advantage by SY - 28s

    Was just wondering what these numbers were. If that 28 secs today had come from the tt instead it would be much more comforting for Yates.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Dumoulin is now the favourite with most bookies. Yates is at best on the same odds.

    Bet365:
    Evens Dumoulin
    5/4 Yates
    9/1 Froome
    12/1 Pozzovivo
    33/1 Lopez
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  • JTUK
    JTUK Posts: 67
    Good stage, keeps things interesting over the next few stages. My money is still on Yates. He’ll come good in the high mountains.
  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485
    If this was a bad day as a one off for Yates, better to have had that today than tomorrow or Saturday. Can we really see Dumoulin riding better than Yates on the Queen stage? I could see Froome putting them to the sword however...
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  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    OnYourRight wrote:
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    […] TD has just been consistent and followed. Partisan bias aside, I'd rather someone who has attacked wins.
    Today he attacked Yates (and the others) with something like 1.5 km to go and no idea whether it would backfire or not. That took some bravery given what has happened over the last two weeks. It paid off for him, but it might have gone the other way and buried his hopes of the GC win today.

    I saw it as Froome attacking and TD following his attack, Yates couldn't follow. Wout drove it for Froome, major clanger by Wout taking a wrong turn, Froome's pace seemed to lose its rhythm for a while not long after he faded a little whilst TD was able to maintain the original pace set by Sky. Hardly a TD attack, he benefited the most from Froome's attack.
  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    larkim wrote:
    If this was a bad day as a one off for Yates, better to have had that today than tomorrow or Saturday. Can we really see Dumoulin riding better than Yates on the Queen stage? I could see Froome putting them to the sword however...
    How good Froome is depends greatly upon how good the rest of Sky are. I can see Sky upping the tempo considerably on the final climb, rest of the GC contenders keeping up. At 3 or 5 km to go will be where Froome attacks, the questions are will TD be able to diesel back up to Froome before the finish line, and will Yates have recovered from today to match Froome's attack (or even attack Froome)?
    Interesting final few days.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    OnYourRight wrote:
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    […] TD has just been consistent and followed. Partisan bias aside, I'd rather someone who has attacked wins.
    Today he attacked Yates (and the others) with something like 1.5 km to go and no idea whether it would backfire or not. That took some bravery given what has happened over the last two weeks. It paid off for him, but it might have gone the other way and buried his hopes of the GC win today.

    I saw it as Froome attacking and TD following his attack, Yates couldn't follow. Wout drove it for Froome, major clanger by Wout taking a wrong turn, Froome's pace seemed to lose its rhythm for a while not long after he faded a little whilst TD was able to maintain the original pace set by Sky. Hardly a TD attack, he benefited the most from Froome's attack.
    TD went first. It all came back together, then Froome went.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    larkim wrote:
    If this was a bad day as a one off for Yates, better to have had that today than tomorrow or Saturday. Can we really see Dumoulin riding better than Yates on the Queen stage? I could see Froome putting them to the sword however...
    How good Froome is depends greatly upon how good the rest of Sky are. I can see Sky upping the tempo considerably on the final climb, rest of the GC contenders keeping up. At 3 or 5 km to go will be where Froome attacks, the questions are will TD be able to diesel back up to Froome before the finish line, and will Yates have recovered from today to match Froome's attack (or even attack Froome)?
    Interesting final few days.
    But also how good are the other teams? Mitchelton will have Nieve, but how much has Haig got left, can Chaves rise from the dead? Sunweb have only really had Oomen and Bahrain seem to have one there at most. Any teammate for the last climb will be a luxury.
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  • RichN95.
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    We go live to Simon Yates on the Mitchelton team bus

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  • markwb79
    markwb79 Posts: 937
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    larkim wrote:
    Just as a summary:-
    TT gains by TD - 1m35s
    Climbing gains by TD - 28s
    Climbing gains by SY - 1m56
    (So net climbing gains by SY 1m28)
    Net position on the road - TD ahead by 7s
    Net stage bonus seconds gained by SY - 35s
    Net advantage by SY - 28s

    Was just wondering what these numbers were. If that 28 secs today had come from the tt instead it would be much more comforting for Yates.


    I dont want to talk about doping. But if Froome's ban is back dated and all results are stripped. What will have happened to his time bonuses in this race?

    Also thinking about when Yates gifted Chaves the win....wonder if that could be pivotal.

    So fascinating. Lucky to be working from home today, cant wait!
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,597
    larkim wrote:
    If this was a bad day as a one off for Yates, better to have had that today than tomorrow or Saturday. Can we really see Dumoulin riding better than Yates on the Queen stage? I could see Froome putting them to the sword however...

    All along I've said I had concerns for Yates on these stages, partly because I recall him dropping away towards the end of a GT before and partly because I didn't think he'd ever proven himself on the bigger mountains. I thought the lower mountains with the steeper ramps were more his thing. That said I continually mix the brothers up and it may have been Adam I can recall falling away in the Alps at the Tour?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    RichN95 wrote:
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    larkim wrote:
    If this was a bad day as a one off for Yates, better to have had that today than tomorrow or Saturday. Can we really see Dumoulin riding better than Yates on the Queen stage? I could see Froome putting them to the sword however...
    How good Froome is depends greatly upon how good the rest of Sky are. I can see Sky upping the tempo considerably on the final climb, rest of the GC contenders keeping up. At 3 or 5 km to go will be where Froome attacks, the questions are will TD be able to diesel back up to Froome before the finish line, and will Yates have recovered from today to match Froome's attack (or even attack Froome)?
    Interesting final few days.
    But also how good are the other teams? Mitchelton will have Nieve, but how much has Haig got left, can Chaves rise from the dead? Sunweb have only really had Oomen and Bahrain seem to have one there at most. Any teammate for the last climb will be a luxury.

    Matt White said that they deliberately gave Jack Haig the day off yesterday, with these stages in mind.
    Chaves did the initial damage to the bunch on Prato. He's looking better.
    Kreuziger ain't exactly useless, either.
    Sunweb have Ten Dam.
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  • topper_harley
    topper_harley Posts: 597
    RichN95 wrote:
    Dumoulin is now the favourite with most bookies. Yates is at best on the same odds.

    Bet365:
    Evens Dumoulin
    5/4 Yates
    9/1 Froome
    12/1 Pozzovivo
    33/1 Lopez
    whats the odds for Froome to get a podium?
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,313
    Better than a week ago. most likely 3rd but I think 2nd v.likely given the terrain they now face
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    amrushton wrote:
    Better than a week ago. most likely 3rd but I think 2nd v.likely given the terrain they now face

    Why at what point is he going to put 50 seconds into Pozzovivo and minutes into Dumolin?
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,597
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    amrushton wrote:
    Better than a week ago. most likely 3rd but I think 2nd v.likely given the terrain they now face

    Why at what point is he going to put 50 seconds into Pozzovivo and minutes into Dumolin?

    Pozzo could lose time if he gets out under pressure on a descent, I can't see Dumoulin losing minutes though. Yates though?
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,313
    Inrng has some pictures of the Finestre. The gravel looks 'interesting'

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