Giro 2018: Stage 6, CALTANISSETTA - ETNA 10 May 2018 / Thursday / 164 km *Spoilers*

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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    FTFY
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Look, that was superb!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    General classification after stage 6
    1 Simon Yates (GBr) Mitchelton-Scott 22:46:03
    2 Tom Dumoulin (Ned) Team Sunweb 0:00:16
    3 Esteban Chaves (Col) Mitchelton-Scott 0:00:26
    4 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Bahrain-Merida 0:00:43
    5 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) Groupama-FDJ 0:00:45
    6 Rohan Dennis (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:00:53
    7 Pello Bilbao (Spa) Astana Pro Team 0:01:03
    8 Chris Froome (GBr) Team Sky 0:01:10
    9 George Bennett (NZl) LottoNL-Jumbo 0:01:11
    10 Fabio Aru (Ita) UAE Team Emirates 0:01:12
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    This is shaping up to be a good race. It's wide open at the moment.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • richard_t._biscuit
    richard_t._biscuit Posts: 246
    edited May 2018
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Richard T. Biscuit wrote:
    I get the chivalry aspect (and in a way love it), but I can't help but think they maybe should have taken the extra 4 seconds for Yates. Probably won't matter, but could...

    Chaves working with him later could be worth a lot more than 4 sec, particularly if they are both threats.
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Remember, it could also be important the other way. Chaves is in 3rd place overall.

    (and it was the right thing to do)
    Possibly, but based on today presumably MS think Yates is their best bet for GC. If you're being purely dispassionate and assuming everyone in the team is going to be content with it going forward I think the percentage play would be to give Yates the extra 4 seconds over Dumoulin et al.

    (I do agree it was probably the right thing to do though, I just have visions of it being super tight towards the end and looking back on this :) )
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    Milton50 wrote:
    larkim wrote:
    Neither did Froome, he wasn't bossing that group in the last km like he might ordinarily do.

    I think that goes without saying. He's obviously not in his best shape. I suppose he and the team will be telling themselves that the longer he manages to keep in touch the better chance he might ride into his best shape later in the race.

    yeah he is still in the race. a couple of moments he could have snapped completely but the guy has been in that position of chasing and limiting losses on a climb a lot....but not usually at the start of a gt he went onto win.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    Richard T. Biscuit wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Richard T. Biscuit wrote:
    I get the chivalry aspect (and in a way love it), but I can't help but think they maybe should have taken the extra 4 seconds for Yates. Probably won't matter, but could...

    Chaves working with him later could be worth a lot more than 4 sec, particularly if they are both threats.
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Remember, it could also be important the other way. Chaves is in 3rd place overall.

    (and it was the right thing to do)
    Possibly, but based on today presumably Yates is the defacto team leader and MS think he is their best bet for GC. If you're being purely dispassionate and assuming everyone is going to be content with it going forward I think the percentage play would be to give Yates the extra 4 seconds over Dumoulin et al.

    (I do agree it was probably the right thing to do though, I just have visions of it being super tight towards the end and looking back on this :) )

    its super good move for team morale. and that's very important too. even if he ends up losing the giro by 4 secs i'm going to claim he could well lose by mins if team cohesion comes apart.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,858
    mididoctors wrote:
    Richard T. Biscuit wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Richard T. Biscuit wrote:
    I get the chivalry aspect (and in a way love it), but I can't help but think they maybe should have taken the extra 4 seconds for Yates. Probably won't matter, but could...

    Chaves working with him later could be worth a lot more than 4 sec, particularly if they are both threats.
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Remember, it could also be important the other way. Chaves is in 3rd place overall.

    (and it was the right thing to do)
    Possibly, but based on today presumably Yates is the defacto team leader and MS think he is their best bet for GC. If you're being purely dispassionate and assuming everyone is going to be content with it going forward I think the percentage play would be to give Yates the extra 4 seconds over Dumoulin et al.

    (I do agree it was probably the right thing to do though, I just have visions of it being super tight towards the end and looking back on this :) )

    its super good move for team morale. and that's very important too. even if he ends up losing the giro by 4 secs i'm going to claim he could well lose by mins if team cohesion comes apart.

    I think its weak MS letting Chaves take the bonus over their GC leader. Cant they keep team morale the day the leader takes the lead and was finishing the stronger? I also think Yates shoukd be showing more killer instinct...

    And i think Froome can be pretty pleased with that. Which i think supports why Yates needs everything he can get now.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    FleshTuxedo wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:

    its super good move for team morale. and that's very important too. even if he ends up losing the giro by 4 secs i'm going to claim he could well lose by mins if team cohesion comes apart.

    I think its weak MS letting Chaves take the bonus over their GC leader. Cant they keep team morale the day the leader takes the lead and was finishing the stronger? I also think Yates shoukd be showing more killer instinct...

    And i think Froome can be pretty pleased with that. Which i think supports why Yates needs everything he can get now.

    respectfully I must disagree
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    In the 2011 Giro, Contador gifted his former team mate Tiralongo the stage which cost him a few bonus seconds. In the 2012 Vuelta, Tiralongo put in a big shift on one stage to help Contador in a break win the Vuelta. It pays to make friends in cycling.
  • joey54321
    joey54321 Posts: 1,297
    Awesome stage! Best GT stage I've watched in a while. This giro is shaping up to be excellent so far.
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Not such a fine performance from Pinot, Pozzo and Bennett, who, rather than work together to put time into the time trialing specialist, preferred to play yet another game of After you Claude.
    Don't think I'd put that much blame on Pozzo, he led quite a bit and tried to get persuade the others to work, but Bennett only did briefly and I don't think Pinot at all.
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Chaves working with him later could be worth a lot more than 4 sec, particularly if they are both threats.
    Agree with this, and the team morale argument.
  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,858
    mididoctors wrote:

    respectfully I must disagree

    Of course, the road will decide as they say
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    joey54321 wrote:
    Awesome stage! Best GT stage I've watched in a while. This giro is shaping up to be excellent so far.
    On the whole I'm delighted with the result (in an ideal world Froome would have lost more time) but I thought the stage was more interesting than exciting.

    Will be fascinating to see how good Orica are at defending a lead. Over the last couple of years they've been one of the more entertainingly aggressive teams. Can they be as good defensively?
  • topper_harley
    topper_harley Posts: 597
    mididoctors wrote:
    M.R.M. wrote:
    Dumoulin still looking stronger than Froome. Yates looking super strong!

    yeah but froome is still in the race.

    it is possible neither end up on the podium in Rome.
    wait till the 3rd week, Froome will be in full destroy mode then
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    Find it difficult to believe that Chaves is 28. He looks about 10.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Terrible day for Meintjes. 3:30 down.
  • shipley
    shipley Posts: 549
    mididoctors wrote:
    Milton50 wrote:
    larkim wrote:
    Neither did Froome, he wasn't bossing that group in the last km like he might ordinarily do.

    I think that goes without saying. He's obviously not in his best shape. I suppose he and the team will be telling themselves that the longer he manages to keep in touch the better chance he might ride into his best shape later in the race.

    yeah he is still in the race. a couple of moments he could have snapped completely but the guy has been in that position of chasing and limiting losses on a climb a lot....but not usually at the start of a gt he went onto win.

    Let’s hope so. Nice to see an open tour without the ‘SKY train’ dragging him to the win.

    The Giro was always, and should always be refreshingly different.

    Fingers crossed :)
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    All this talk of Yates letting Chaves have the time bonus will be turned on its head if Chaves wins the Giro. Remember Sastre in 2008
    http://cyclinganddesign.blogspot.fr/
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    inseine wrote:
    All this talk of Yates letting Chaves have the time bonus will be turned on its head if Chaves wins the Giro. Remember Sastre in 2008

    It's a decent tactic when the big two contenders are both diesels without a big turn of pace. Being able to attack one after the other must surely raise the chances of one of the attacks sticking.
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    "It was a great day for us," Chaves said, his smile wider than ever.

    "I went for it after a lot of attacks, and then we won the stage and got pink jersey. It's fantastic. I can only thank Simon for letting me win the stage. Things like that don't happen every day."

    Yates was equally as happy.

    "It's a special feeling and special to do it with this guy. We've kind of grown up together and this is the final result," he said before they joked when asked who was the team leader going forward.

    "There's still a long way to go," Yates said.

    "He has the pink jersey," Chaves joked.
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    The entire Wilier Triestina team rolled in together (literally) 26 minutes down today and now occupy the lowest 6 places on GC.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    Milton50 wrote:
    The entire Wilier Triestina team rolled in together (literally) 26 minutes down today and now occupy the lowest 6 places on GC.

    getting the black jersey surrounded for a multi-prong attack
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Millar, Cav and Wiggins only other Brits to wear the pink jersey. Possibly.
    http://cyclinganddesign.blogspot.fr/
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Milton50 wrote:
    Chavez said "I can only thank Simon for letting me win the stage."
    But Chavez also graciously said “I must also thank Jack Haig for his work in the breakaway“.
    Haig often led the breakaway group at high speed, helping cause its reduction in size.

    Don't know how much truth is in it, but I heard Chavez is the most popular rider, amongst riders, in the World Tour.
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    Great stage and good to see how wide open this race is looking. Fantastic to see Yates in the pink jersey,
    it would've been nice to see him win the stage but the team have said all along that he and Chavez are joint leaders.
    https://gibworth.mypixieset.com
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Great stage and the way Yates and Chavez handled the finish was the icing on the cake.
    http://cyclinganddesign.blogspot.fr/
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    knedlicky wrote:
    Don't know how much truth is in it, but I heard Chavez is the most popular rider, amongst riders, in the World Tour.

    interesting. Who are the second and third most popular?

    We'll need something to discuss cos tomorrow it is back to gt at its most dull.
  • poptart242
    poptart242 Posts: 531
    mfin wrote:
    knedlicky wrote:
    Don't know how much truth is in it, but I heard Chavez is the most popular rider, amongst riders, in the World Tour.

    interesting. Who are the second and third most popular?

    We'll need something to discuss cos tomorrow it is back to gt at its most dull.

    Worth digging out their BSP videos on YouTube from the 2016 Giro, the camaraderie was absolutely immense around Chaves. I really miss that series, some of the best cycling content there was!
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Poptart242 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    knedlicky wrote:
    Don't know how much truth is in it, but I heard Chavez is the most popular rider, amongst riders, in the World Tour.

    interesting. Who are the second and third most popular?

    We'll need something to discuss cos tomorrow it is back to gt at its most dull.

    Worth digging out their BSP videos on YouTube from the 2016 Giro, the camaraderie was absolutely immense around Chaves. I really miss that series, some of the best cycling content there was!

    BSP from yesterday:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJXcmsRc8AE
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    Yates looked so comfortable yesterday, clearly the strongest rider by some way. I know having Chaves up ahead made it easier for him to sit in, but then Froome and Dumoulin also had pretty strong riders in that group. With the benefit of hindsight Yates probably could have gained more time if he hadn't had to worry about dragging people up to his teammate. Anyway, when was the last time on a mountain stage in a GT that a rider has looked so clearly "the strongest"? Didn't really happen at any point last year.
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