Alfie Evans
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This will probably go don like a fart in a lift.
As a fairly new father, I can't begin to imagine the pain that his parents have been and are going through. But, surely there comes a time where you have to accept what is best for your child.
Since having a ventilator removed both parents have had to resuscitate him - doesn't this tell them what they need to know?
And the abuse the Dr's and Nurses have received as well as the disruption cause to the hospital is an absolute disgrace.
As a fairly new father, I can't begin to imagine the pain that his parents have been and are going through. But, surely there comes a time where you have to accept what is best for your child.
Since having a ventilator removed both parents have had to resuscitate him - doesn't this tell them what they need to know?
And the abuse the Dr's and Nurses have received as well as the disruption cause to the hospital is an absolute disgrace.
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My GF is the most compassionate person I know and was in tears last night about them keeping him alive when he's in pain, I'll take her lead
If your pet is in pain you know you have to let it go - heartbreaking though it is. People would be up in arms if you kept a puppy in agony.
As already stated earlier I simply cannot envisage what the parents of Alfie are going through, nor would I ever want to!
This being said however it appears to my, admittedly uninformed mind, that they are taking this situation beyond what should be allowed in the interests of the child, as already stated having to revive him after life support was withdrawn seems to me to be an inability to accept the inevitable. I don’t know how true this is, but there was a report that Alfie’s father was trying to get a manslaughter charge against his doctors. If true then down that road lies madness!
The other aspect that disturbs me is the rent-a-mob that attaches itself to cases like these, they were despicable in the Charlie Gard case but they seem to have ratcheted it up a couple of notches in Alfie’s case, they really do need to f*ck off and leave the parents be!
Sadly I think there are people out there who use these situations to stir up trouble.
Couldn't agree more. Saw this article this morning, quite reprehensible that they're doing this. Let the poor blighter die, please.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/25/alfie-eva ... r-7497380/
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I understand as a parent you'll do anything to help your kids, but as time has gone on in this case my views towards his parents has dropped.
I have had to take LSB to hospital - it's a horrible experience, but you have to remain calm and strong - and listen to what the doctors tell you. In our case it was straight forward, so no need to challenge the advice given. But I can understand if you get told that there's nothing they can do for your child, you'll want to challenge that as far as possible.
But you still have to be sensible & pragmatic - prolonging a life for a few more months but subject them to pain & suffering - are they suffering? Or is it just delaying the inevitable pain and suffering for the family? Is there any hope for a meaningful life? Doctors aren't there deciding "nah, can't be arsed to do any more for this child" - they'll hate losing every patient they can't heal.
As much as I feel for the babies whose life is cut terribly short - if there is no cure or chance of recovery, surely it's better for them to die naturally and as pain free as possible, rather than just draw out the process.
As a consultant said on BBC breakfast yesterday - these life/death decisions are happening in hospitals up and down the country - it's just the extreme cases that become public.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... th-dignity
I can't understand the parents persistence nor thinking which not only goes against the best medical advice in the country but also the abuse and threats against the medical staff there. It's a Children's hospital, with NHS salaries where people have a vocation and desire to help others. That to me is unforgivable.
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I've been trying not to read up on this case after the last case of parents being desperate to keep their severely brain damaged kid alive really bothered me. The first link about it was the metro one above. First thing I saw was a picture of the kid. I regret opening the link because I now have a face to the story.
I have discussed the matter generally with a work colleague. It's a frustrating matter trying to get through to people who get their news from Facebook. Stories about disgusting and mouldy wards and the child being given a lethal injection. Now I was at the old Alder Hey and it had issues but it was clean and no mould. I cannot see how the new Alder Hey is neither. Lethal injection? How ridiculous does that sound?
Sorry but this whole story is one of exploitation and denial IMHO. Parents in denial and a bunch of people attaching themselves to the parents for some kind of ulterior motives. And the pope has got involved? It's just desperately sad for the family but that tragedy is made a hundred times worse by the leeches giving them false hope (my opinion based on past stories like this) and who are outside protesting. Renta-religious mob if you ask me. Then there's the horrendous people threatening the healthcare professionals.
There is only negatives with this whole mess of a situation.
What about the amount of suffering he endures...really? Would you want to keep your son alive even if he were in a lot of pain and suffering?
Life has a value, but quality of life has a value too.
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I didn't say it would be rational (and I don't know if the child is in visible pain) but I think a lot of parents would agree (I don't know if you are one). The problem I have with the 'quality of life' argument is that it could be a bit of a slippery slopr.
I'd take the same position with my life...I don't want to suffer and have no quality of life, better to end it.
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Totally agree.
It's a point that has no right answer - for me, unconscious & vegetative state != quality of life. But there's the question of whether the situation may improve. If the answer is no, then (IMHO) it's best to withdraw life-prolonging treatment. Restrict to nourishment & pain relief only.
I just hope that I never have to make that choice for my little one.
But being asked for resuscitate or do not resuscitate instructions for my son was devastating. It is difficult to be rational in those moments.
He came through, with everlasting thanks to some great medics.
i feel for the staff at Alder Hay.
I'm happy your son pulled through. As you say, we don't know how we'd react in these situations.
Sorry, that's plain inaccurate. Alder Hey is world class, no hospital on earth could save the poor child. All the others were offering was to prolong life.
A tragic case of lies/religion (same thing to me) getting in the way of a tragic reality.
Source of info: helped plan Alder Hey, have worked with several other children's units in UK and abroad
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Absolutely. I can't imagine the pain.
It's just a hill. Get over it.
RIP little fella.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ans-battle
Seems pretty clear that this case and that of Charlie Gard and Isaiah Haastrup are largely the result of these vultures hijacking the parents' distress to push their warped ideas.
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