More trouble for Team SKY.
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Millar commented a long while back about taking Triamcinolone. Though his recollection of it I find difficult to accept.Vino'sGhost wrote:
Millar has commented, he did a piece a little whiel ago about just how awesome this stuff is. Much better he reckoned than EPO or Test. He did his with a dodgy TUE tookleinstroker wrote:This is why so many contradictory statements popping up, use in and out of competition governed by different rules.
System definitely needs changing to be more consistent.
Surprised no comment so far from David Millar! Wonder if he was the unnamed source?0 -
What I think when I read about this is, particularly on these sort of threads, is how much slack some people are prepared to cut Wiggins and Sky. Here we have a guy who won the Tour de France and yet neglected to mention his allergies and asthma in his autobiography or the fact that he had taken powerful drugs immediately prior to some of his most successful performances on the road. We only find this out because of some Russian Hackers or it likely would never have come out and we could all carry on thinking it was merely the genius of Dave Brailsford's approach to training and competition. Then during the course of the enquiry by MPs the doctor involved is too sick to give evidence, AND he lost his laptop, AND there were no proper records kept. Now in isolation you might say none of this is proof of anything which is true, but when you think of it in the context of professional cycling where we have seen all the suspicious results and point blank denials and obfuscation so many times before then I am left wondering why people aren't a little more cynical about Sir Bradley's denials. I don't know where this all ends, but David Walsh and Piers Morgan both called Wiggins a cheat in an interview this morning on ITV so it may well end up in the courts.0
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kleinstroker wrote:
Millar commented a long while back about taking Triamcinolone. Though his recollection of it I find difficult to accept.Vino'sGhost wrote:
Millar has commented, he did a piece a little whiel ago about just how awesome this stuff is. Much better he reckoned than EPO or Test. He did his with a dodgy TUE tookleinstroker wrote:This is why so many contradictory statements popping up, use in and out of competition governed by different rules.
System definitely needs changing to be more consistent.
Surprised no comment so far from David Millar! Wonder if he was the unnamed source?
Why?Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
It's an autobiography, not a health insurance form. Why would people put these things in a book? He didn't mention that he occasionally smokes in his book either. It was also silent on his love for rugby league.Shortfall wrote:What I think when I read about this is, particularly on these sort of threads, is how much slack some people are prepared to cut Wiggins and Sky. Here we have a guy who won the Tour de France and yet neglected to mention his allergies and asthma in his autobiography or the fact that he had taken powerful drugs immediately prior to some of his most successful performances on the road.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Of course I'm suspicious, but do people think the worst of it is that he took triamcinalone under a TUE when he should only have taken it out of competition? Or is that just the tip of the iceberg? Because if that's it, I can't get too excited about it.
After the previous couple of decades, I'd be happy with that being the level of doping scandal.0 -
Vino'sGhost wrote:
Millar has commented, he did a piece a little whiel ago about just how awesome this stuff is. Much better he reckoned than EPO or Test. He did his with a dodgy TUE tookleinstroker wrote:This is why so many contradictory statements popping up, use in and out of competition governed by different rules.
System definitely needs changing to be more consistent.
Surprised no comment so far from David Millar! Wonder if he was the unnamed source?
And here he is...
https://youtu.be/J1WTw6nYSmA?t=34m17s0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:kleinstroker wrote:
Millar commented a long while back about taking Triamcinolone. Though his recollection of it I find difficult to accept.Vino'sGhost wrote:
Millar has commented, he did a piece a little whiel ago about just how awesome this stuff is. Much better he reckoned than EPO or Test. He did his with a dodgy TUE tookleinstroker wrote:This is why so many contradictory statements popping up, use in and out of competition governed by different rules.
System definitely needs changing to be more consistent.
Surprised no comment so far from David Millar! Wonder if he was the unnamed source?
Why?
He said he was high and it changed his whole body in 3 days.0 -
Millar is like someone who has gone on an all day drinking binge, drinking a range of drinks and then declaring which one gave him his hangover. He was on all sorts simultaneously. He can't possibly know what did what.kleinstroker wrote:
Millar commented a long while back about taking Triamcinolone. Though his recollection of it I find difficult to accept.Vino'sGhost wrote:
Millar has commented, he did a piece a little whiel ago about just how awesome this stuff is. Much better he reckoned than EPO or Test. He did his with a dodgy TUE tookleinstroker wrote:This is why so many contradictory statements popping up, use in and out of competition governed by different rules.
System definitely needs changing to be more consistent.
Surprised no comment so far from David Millar! Wonder if he was the unnamed source?
Bear in mind Millar claimed to have only taken EPO twice and nothing else until he got a book deal.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
It's an autobiography, not a health insurance form. Why would people put these things in a book? He didn't mention that he occasionally smokes in his book either. It was also silent on his love for rugby league.Shortfall wrote:What I think when I read about this is, particularly on these sort of threads, is how much slack some people are prepared to cut Wiggins and Sky. Here we have a guy who won the Tour de France and yet neglected to mention his allergies and asthma in his autobiography or the fact that he had taken powerful drugs immediately prior to some of his most successful performances on the road.
Because when you're the first Brit to win the most prestigious race in cycling and arguably the most gruelling event in sport, then surely it's pertinent to mention in your autobiography that you can only achieve this with the aid of powerful drugs for which you have to have a TUE? Especially when your sport has just started recovering from one of the biggest doping scandals in history. It might also be of interest to the public if you're the figurehead for a team who are claiming to be setting new standards for openness and clean sport? Certainly more important than any interest you might have in Rugby League?0 -
But it probably would still have been detectable by the time he got to a competition, so he'd need a TUE to cover that.kleinstroker wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Only banned in competition. (It's widely used to treat injuries, which is why it's not banned OOC)kleinstroker wrote:Can somebody clear this up as there seems to be a lot of confusion.
If you are in the UCI RTP pool, as Wiggins was and you used Triamcinolone outside of competition, did he need a TUE? Or is it legal to use Triaminoclone as prescribed by a doctor for a medical condition without an exemption?
Is Triamcinolone only banned for competition use?
Thanks. So he cannot have broken rules for TUE, as no TUE necessary. That's what I thought but everyone seems to be claiming it is doping because he broke TUE granting rulesTwitter: @RichN950 -
Why would anyone reveal negative things about themselves in an autobiography?Shortfall wrote:Because when you're the first Brit to win the most prestigious race in cycling and arguably the most gruelling event in sport, then surely it's pertinent to mention in your autobiography that you can only achieve this with the aid of powerful drugs for which you have to have a TUE? Especially when your sport has just started recovering from one of the biggest doping scandals in history. It might also be of interest to the public if you're the figurehead for a team who are claiming to be setting new standards for openness and clean sport? Certainly more important for any interest you might have in Rugby League?
Have you ever written a CV? Did you put in all the bad things you've done in your life?Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
Why would anyone reveal negative things about themselves in an autobiography?Shortfall wrote:Because when you're the first Brit to win the most prestigious race in cycling and arguably the most gruelling event in sport, then surely it's pertinent to mention in your autobiography that you can only achieve this with the aid of powerful drugs for which you have to have a TUE? Especially when your sport has just started recovering from one of the biggest doping scandals in history. It might also be of interest to the public if you're the figurehead for a team who are claiming to be setting new standards for openness and clean sport? Certainly more important for any interest you might have in Rugby League?
Have you ever written a CV? Did you put in all the bad things you've done in your life?
He can put whatever he wants in his autobiography but if he leaves out hugely important and controversial facts then it's hardly authentic. The other point to remember is that when you write a book about yourself and star in highly paid advertisements that presumably trade on your status and reputation, then you open both your public and private life to close scrutiny.0 -
RichN95 wrote:Shortfall wrote:
Why would anyone reveal negative things about themselves in an autobiography?
Have you ever written a CV? Did you put in all the bad things you've done in your life?
Maybe this as Freudian slip. Do you think these omissions in his autobiography were bad things or negative things? Clearly he does. I wonder why?0 -
RichN95 wrote:Why would anyone reveal negative things about themselves in an autobiography?
Like Froome stealing baby rabbits from a kindergarten and feeding them to a snake?0 -
Typical fan entitlement. You may well find yourself exposed to scrutiny, but why on earth would anyone want to actively play along with the muck-rakers' tall poppy game?Shortfall wrote:He can put whatever he wants in his autobiography but he leaves out hugely important and controversial facts then it's hardly authentic. The other point to remember is that when you write a book about yourself and star in highly paid advertisements that presumably trade on your status and reputation, then you open both your public and private life to close scrutiny.0 -
He was eight years old.KingstonGraham wrote:RichN95 wrote:Why would anyone reveal negative things about themselves in an autobiography?
Like Froome stealing baby rabbits from a kindergarten and feeding them to a snake?Twitter: @RichN950 -
And why, when still competing, would you reveal a potential weakness that your opponents might be able to exploit?0
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bompington wrote:
Typical fan entitlement. You may well find yourself exposed to scrutiny, but why on earth would anyone want to actively play along with the muck-rakers' tall poppy game?Shortfall wrote:He can put whatever he wants in his autobiography but he leaves out hugely important and controversial facts then it's hardly authentic. The other point to remember is that when you write a book about yourself and star in highly paid advertisements that presumably trade on your status and reputation, then you open both your public and private life to close scrutiny.
Not fan entitlement at all. This is a well trodden path. If you reveal yourself to the public and make money from your standing and reputation then don't be surprised when the public want to shine a light into some of the darker corners.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
He was eight years old.KingstonGraham wrote:RichN95 wrote:Why would anyone reveal negative things about themselves in an autobiography?
Like Froome stealing baby rabbits from a kindergarten and feeding them to a snake?
Or so he says.0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:RichN95 wrote:
He was eight years old.KingstonGraham wrote:RichN95 wrote:Why would anyone reveal negative things about themselves in an autobiography?
Like Froome stealing baby rabbits from a kindergarten and feeding them to a snake?
Or so he says.
Need to check his Strava - any rides go past nurseries?0 -
Shortfall wrote:RichN95 wrote:
It's an autobiography, not a health insurance form. Why would people put these things in a book? He didn't mention that he occasionally smokes in his book either. It was also silent on his love for rugby league.Shortfall wrote:What I think when I read about this is, particularly on these sort of threads, is how much slack some people are prepared to cut Wiggins and Sky. Here we have a guy who won the Tour de France and yet neglected to mention his allergies and asthma in his autobiography or the fact that he had taken powerful drugs immediately prior to some of his most successful performances on the road.
Because when you're the first Brit to win the most prestigious race in cycling and arguably the most gruelling event in sport, then surely it's pertinent to mention in your autobiography that you can only achieve this with the aid of powerful drugs for which you have to have a TUE? Especially when your sport has just started recovering from one of the biggest doping scandals in history. It might also be of interest to the public if you're the figurehead for a team who are claiming to be setting new standards for openness and clean sport? Certainly more important than any interest you might have in Rugby League?
if at the time they (he) had published all his TUE's I do think this would be a big nothingburger TBH.
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I do think that if he'd openly said he'd done all this back in 2011 barely anyone would have cared. They used to have proper doping scandals back then.mididoctors wrote:
if at the time they (he) had published all his TUE's I do think this would be a big nothingburger TBH.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:
Seriously? You're happy to whack your hard earned into anything without looking at it first?
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a bridge too far?Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
But it probably would still have been detectable by the time he got to a competition, so he'd need a TUE to cover that.kleinstroker wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Only banned in competition. (It's widely used to treat injuries, which is why it's not banned OOC)kleinstroker wrote:Can somebody clear this up as there seems to be a lot of confusion.
If you are in the UCI RTP pool, as Wiggins was and you used Triamcinolone outside of competition, did he need a TUE? Or is it legal to use Triaminoclone as prescribed by a doctor for a medical condition without an exemption?
Is Triamcinolone only banned for competition use?
Thanks. So he cannot have broken rules for TUE, as no TUE necessary. That's what I thought but everyone seems to be claiming it is doping because he broke TUE granting rules
He told Dan Roan he only had it OOC once, for a sore knee after the Giro in '13 and did not race again til Tour de Pologne. The compulsory rest time he said was 2 weeks (I thought it was 8 days...? Could be imagining that) but they left it 2 months. And having checked here, his memory was correct.
https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider.p ... eason=20130 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:
Seriously? You're happy to whack your hard earned into anything without looking at it first?
Right, I've got this bridge you may be interested in.
Bridge Over Troubled Waters?
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RichN95 wrote:
I do think that if he'd openly said he'd done all this back in 2011 barely anyone would have cared. They used to have proper doping scandals back then.mididoctors wrote:
if at the time they (he) had published all his TUE's I do think this would be a big nothingburger TBH.
yeah that's what i think...
devil's advocate: it does draw to the mindset of what he/they thought about the perception of it thou for not going down that road.
I guess don't mention the D-word was high on the agenda. maybe a mistake... a few riders down the road where a bit vocal about it.
this is the thing. rules wise they squeeze through...perception wise its edgy. I am not happy about team appointed doctors handing out TUEs
needs looking into."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
mididoctors wrote:RichN95 wrote:
I do think that if he'd openly said he'd done all this back in 2011 barely anyone would have cared. They used to have proper doping scandals back then.mididoctors wrote:
if at the time they (he) had published all his TUE's I do think this would be a big nothingburger TBH.
yeah that's what i think...
devil's advocate: it does draw to the mindset of what he/they thought about the perception of it thou for not going down that road.
I guess don't mention the D-word was high on the agenda. maybe a mistake... a few riders down the road where a bit vocal about it.
this is the thing. rules wise they squeeze through...perception wise its edgy. I am not happy about team appointed doctors handing out TUEs
needs looking into.
As i understand it, the other team doctors werent happy with the TUEs either.0 -
They don't. They apply to the relevant authority for them.mididoctors wrote:I am not happy about team appointed doctors handing out TUEsTwitter: @RichN950 -
The two David Walsh interviews on Good Morning Britain are interesting and worth a look on the ITV player (minus Piers Morgan's contributions). He mentions something about the other Sky doctors changing computer passwords to prevent Freeman applying for TUE's which they obviously felt were nefarious.0
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Shortfall wrote:The two David Walsh interviews on Good Morning Britain are interesting and worth a look on the ITV player (minus Piers Morgan's contributions). He mentions something about the other Sky doctors changing computer passwords to prevent Freeman applying for TUE's which they obviously felt were nefarious.
Yep this.0
