Can you get motivated to train for TTs as a lighter rider?
neeb
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After years of never getting around to it I did my first couple of 10 mile club TTs last year. I can manage about 4w/kg at FTP but being pretty light at 63kg that only equates to about 250w, just over 260w over a 10 mile TT course. Maybe if I trained specifically I could get that up to 270-280w for 10 miles, but I guess I'm never going to be really competitive. Are there any lighter riders out there who really enjoy training and competing in TTs? Can you get motivated, and does it seem worthwhile shelling out for proper equipment? So far I've just used a road bike with standard setup (no tri bars or anything).
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interesting subject for me, as I too was 63kg a couple of months ago (Put on some over Christmas....) and had an FTP of 240, so very similar power to weight ratio.
I too have meant to TT for many years, and am myself planning to start this spring.
I did a couple of hill climbs in the autumn, and they were very good fun - perhaps that may be where our forte lies more?
How did you find the two TT's you have done, and do you mind me asking what your times were?
I appreciate it is variable with regards to type of course, weather\wind etc, but would still be very interested to hear what times your output generated.
Were you completely spent at the end?
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I am currently around 67kg and am 168cm. My top power output compared to many may not be super high but I have the advantage of being able to get very low and reduce my frontal area to a point that I can make the watts go further (so to speak) I always knew I’d never be able to produce up to 300 watts for a sustained effort so I concentrated more on making myself more efficient. Then when you do actually get a bit more power anyway, it’s a win win situation.
As far as equipment is concerned, I wouldn't commit to anything until you've done at least a couple of events and decided testing is for you. After than you'll easily be dropping minutes with smart choices and aero testing.
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TBCH I've really only done one TT - the second time I turned up to the wrong course and just did it by myself anyway, so it hardly counts (especially as I wasn't sure exactly where the finish line was.. ;-))
The one I did properly was a circuit on mostly flat country roads with a few turns and my time was 26m 2s, so obviously I'd be disappointed if I wasn't 25-something next time.. As I say, first ever TT, road bike, no tri bars or anything. 262 watts average for the course. I probably only gave it 98% as I didn't have a time reference point and my main target was just finishing knowing that I'd managed to put out somethng like the power I'm capable of over that duration. I think I thought I was going to get under 26m towards the end but obviously must have started my clock 2 or 3 seconds after the timers did.. ;-)
I'd love to be able to aim for a sub-20. I assume I'd need to gain at least a few watts to do that though, not just get more aero? (and maybe a faster course?).
P.S. I didn't look anything like you do in your picture.. ;-)
If you get aero enough and pick a fast course on a fast day, you could knock out some seriously good times. You're new to time trialling so just work on learning how to pace your races, learning the courses you will race on, putting power out while still remaining aero, etc. You will get faster. If you get hooked, look into more slippery equipment!
Any tips for getting more aero / knowing how aero you are just on a road bike? With my current setup the bars are about 8cm below the saddle. I can pretty much manage to ride with my hands on the ends of the hoods and forearms straight. If I'm in the drops my forearms won't ever be straight...
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And at the same time , power doesn’t necessarily mean faster if your position is poor. You want to minimise your frontal area without compromising your power output. It’s a balance and also a compromise finding the best of both. You will always be able to produce more power in a more upright position than getting low down so yes being really aero isn’t good if it means you can’t transfer the power through the pedals efficiently, but sit too high up and you’re wasting watts by causing unnecessary drag.
Local/regional TT may be a crapshoot. Looking at results that is......I haven't done it yet. I see the "slow" categories often having winning and podium speeds equal to some of the fastest categories.
I'm going to try it for fun.
I'm 160lbs now and up to about 260w. Probably up to 270 to 275w and down to 155lbs by race season for road. The TT stuff will just be to try it out. I know some Clydesdale riders with a huge ftp but some "extra" weight will kill me. But that's life.
One way to improve that time a lot would be to pull those arms out of the wind. You don't need tri bars to do this, just do what the pro's do and try lean your hands over the bars. It'll bring down your time and you will notice the speed difference. If you don't want to risk that, bend your arms 90 degrees on while on the hoods or even drops if you're flexible enough
You've been giving up a censored load of time/speed not using them if you can hold 260w.
We have Craigslist, I think you have Gumtree........get on Gumtree and buy some. Do a couple practice rolls, then give it the gas on a training ride. I bet you'll have a censored eating grin on your face when you feel the speed difference.
That said, my local TT notes the fastest time on a road bike as well as the fastest overall - I might have a chance at the former but not at the latter.. I assume as soon as I mount clip-ons I'm no longer riding a road bike. But I think if I manage to get fastest-on-a-road-bike once the novelty will pale and I'll then be looking at clip-ons..
This sounds awful.
Believe it or not, it's perfectly possible to ride and enjoy riding time trials without power meter, or a TT bike, or having done any 'training', or really having a clue about anything. Some people ride time trials purely for the peculiar pleasure that comes with beasting yourself for 20 minutes straight. What I'm trying to tell you is that being 63kg with an FTP of whatever is no barrier to enjoying the sport.
My own experiences is sort of similar to yours: I weigh 65kg; I did 26:20 in my first TT with a bog standard road bike set up; then I spent a couple of years riding TTs and i got all the paraphernalia and now I can do 30mph+ rides for 10 and 25 miles (pretty average these days really). I'm sure I'd still enjoy racing if I was doing 28mph rides - the main thing is that there's only one way to find out.
Depends what you are looking for... you might struggle to win events against heavier and more powerful riders, but you might enjoy the process of "getting better at it".
TTing rewards the obsessive personality, as it is very much a case of accumulation of marginal gains. If you enjoy being analytical and obsessive about your cycling, you will enjoy TTing.
You will probably look at "upgrading" equipment to keep you focussed on improvements. I suggest you look at second hand upgrades, as you will need to go through a lot of them and it's not a case of what is shinier but what is faster for you.
You probably want to get hold of a decent power meter if you don't have one, as it is the most widely accepted way to assess your performance and progress
"Faster" by Michael Hutchinson is an enjoyable read
Have the powermeter and have read "Faster" (the bit where he talked to his doctor about having his shoulders broken and reset to make him more aero had me in stitches..).
Looking forward to the start of the season!
First one is in April. I'm at 70kg right now and a 4.0w/kg. I probably could have squeezed another 10w out of that test, but had some respiratory cold issues at the time. I think I blew my nose 10x on that test.
But, 23 min is 3min longer than an ftp test. Ughhh.
Looks like local to me in the US a podium in a Cat 5 race (euro Cat 4) is around 23.5 minutes in a pan flat 10 miler. You can finish in the bottom third of all the series races, but not miss a race, and podium the series. A lot of people miss one of the six races.
A guy that finished next to last every race of the series podium'd according to the series website from last year. He pretty much did 24.7 to 25.0 minute 10 milers.
I'm doing it because it's a safe TT on a car race track at night under the lights. Easy to get a worknight off from the family to go race. Should be fun.
I have no illusions about winning. But I'll need a catcher at the finish!
Lol, no, a true FTP test is ~60 mins. So it's closer to 1/3 of an FTP test.
Yup, but if you want to save time then you can do a 20 min test, BUT you should actually test for 30 minutes and take the reading from the last 20.
Why do you think you need to compete with the bigger riders to be motivated? Cant you get motivated by improving your own times? Where you finish in a TT is pretty much irrelevant. If the top local road race guys all show up one week (They tend to be like sheep), you're gong to finish half a dozen places lower than if they don't. To me my finishing position is 100% irrelevant.
For sure, it's hard to contest big guys in flat TTs, but... You just like it or not. Also you can focus at your personal progress. And sometimes you can do well on routes that are not totally pancake-flat.