Beryls record broken at last
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prowlbass wrote:Where's all this 'worldwide' come from? You're aware this is a UK record, no?
Er, yes it was a world record virtue of the fact no woman world wide had beaten it until now. So Alice Leathbridge is now the world 12 hour record holder. It means nothing that the UK may be the biggest TT scene. Are you suggesting no other country in the world does them? With your logic UK riders should hold every TT record imaginable but we don't, I wonder why? And actually from living in mainland Europe the TT scene in Germany, Holland and Belgium is bigger than people here think.0 -
The competition records are maintained by Cycling Time Trials. The UK body for time trials. The UMCA and GWR generally look after global records.
There is a global 12 and 24 hours championship in the US - they are not CTT events. I'm sure Alice will be flattered by your feeling that she's now a global record holder, however.0 -
prowlbass wrote:The competition records are maintained by Cycling Time Trials. The UK body for time trials. The UMCA and GWR generally look after global records.
There is a global 12 and 24 hours championship in the US - they are not CTT events. I'm sure Alice will be flattered by your feeling that she's now a global record holder, however.
How can I make this clearer for you?
Give me a name, time and date!
https://totalwomenscycling.com/lifestyle/interviews/21-facts-beryl-burton
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I'm going to throw in my worthless $0.02 here.
I feel it is an astonishing feat worthy of praise. The reason I don't associate this with "TT" so much is that TT is most often associated with shorter events in the minds of other cyclists watching or cheering on.
We think of 10, 25 mile or so, 1 hour TT's. Most people associated it with a very high power output right at the limit of threshold.
I, as a fan, don't really associate 12 hour enduro records and such with "time trialing". Sure, it's a TT done on a TT specific bike. But this is a TOTALLY different discipline than trying to shove out 400watts for an hour.
It's the difference between your SS output ability as a long distance contest or trial and a person's threshold output.
I will argue, that without totally re-tooling your training between efforts, the same person can't be tops of the game in both a 10 mile, 25 mile, 1 hour TT and also a 12 hour TT attempt.
More people involved in the former, more notoriety. Still a slam bang effort though!0 -
The same rider is going to be quick over 10,25,50 and probably 100 mile events. You would never know if they were any good at 12 as most wouldn't do it if you paid them. Alice is quick at all distances, and there are many of the guys who are also quick at all of those distances, Topham, Harrison etc.Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com0
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Trivial poursuivant wrote:
Give me a name, time and date!
https://totalwomenscycling.com/lifestyle/interviews/21-facts-beryl-burton
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Beryl picked up 7 world titles, her other achievements were national.
The National event she broke the record at was run by Cycling Time Trials, which is the UK body. The National event Alice broke the record at was a CTT National event. She is making no claims on a global record - although looking at the UMCA's records, she should. This would have to be run under an event they adjudicate, however, as the CTT's records will only be valid for their own organisation.
The best '12 hour road' record I can find for a woman on the UMCA is:
12 Hour Road Nancy Raposo US Solo Standard Women 18-49 1992-09-22 240 20
Presumably, there are corresponding national records in other countries and perhaps a GWR one that I can't be bothered to look up.
CTT records are only valid for their organisation.0 -
That just shows how wrong you can be. Andy Wilkinson held records for 24 hours, 12 hours and 50 miles, he also rode the Milk race. Which I'm guessing you will not have heard of,it was an international amateur stage race. Beryl Burton was a world champion on the track and the road and also did a credible time trial against the Pros in the Grand Prix Nations.burnthesheep wrote:I'm going to throw in my worthless $0.02 here.
I feel it is an astonishing feat worthy of praise. The reason I don't associate this with "TT" so much is that TT is most often associated with shorter events in the minds of other cyclists watching or cheering on.
We think of 10, 25 mile or so, 1 hour TT's. Most people associated it with a very high power output right at the limit of threshold.
I, as a fan, don't really associate 12 hour enduro records and such with "time trialing". Sure, it's a TT done on a TT specific bike. But this is a TOTALLY different discipline than trying to shove out 400watts for an hour.
It's the difference between your SS output ability as a long distance contest or trial and a person's threshold output.
I will argue, that without totally re-tooling your training between efforts, the same person can't be tops of the game in both a 10 mile, 25 mile, 1 hour TT and also a 12 hour TT attempt.
More people involved in the former, more notoriety. Still a slam bang effort though!0 -
I think you're being a bit harsh here - I didn't read it like this, more like "if Beryl was alive today she'd have more recognition" (which on reflection, as I don't know how much recognition she received at the time is a bit of daftness on my part)prowlbass wrote:Your initial post was:
"When you see the bike and setup used. Carbon aero frame with rear disc, speed suit and aero helmet etc. Not to mention modern nutrition, it makes Beryl's achievement even greater when you think she did it on a bog standard steel frame with by today's standards zero aero benefit. Just pure muscle to get her around. It's a shame it still doesn't quite get the recognition it deserves"
Please point out the part where you 'praise both record holders' - I clearly missed the clever subtext you were going for because of the overt subtext of 'this record is not as good, because of the equipment'."It must be true, it's on the internet" - Winston Churchill0 -
Bet most of these blokes posting sh1te can't even ride a long 24 on a 10.0
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Irrespective of the history, the new record is a huge achievement.
However, the argument that Beryl's record lasted so long due to a lack of interest doesn't ring true. There have been plenty of female cyclists over that time that specialised in long distance records - the End to End has been broken numerous times and I would suggest that takes far more planning to target. To suggest that it could have been broken sooner not only under-estimates the high bar that Burton set but also the achievement of Alice in finally breaking it. Technology will have obviously helped but ultimately you still have to sit on the bike churning out the watts for 12 hours non-stop which I know, even from my own low speed effort, is a huge challenge both mentally and physically. It's not just the effort on the legs and the pain of being in the saddle for hours on end but the unexpected aches and pains (for me hot spots on my feet and sore forearms from the aero bars) and technology doesn't help with that.0 -
DavidJB wrote:Bet most of these blokes posting sh1te can't even ride a long 24 on a 10.
.. but that is not a requirement to have an opinion.
People talk about football, cycling, boxing... most of them can't play football, cycle or boxe... if it wasn't for these folks, professional sport would not exist...left the forum March 20230 -
Webboo wrote:That just shows how wrong you can be. Andy Wilkinson held records for 24 hours, 12 hours and 50 miles, he also rode the Milk race. Which I'm guessing you will not have heard of,it was an international amateur stage race. Beryl Burton was a world champion on the track and the road and also did a credible time trial against the Pros in the Grand Prix Nations.
This was my point. Maybe not that the same person couldn't do it, but that they'd have to totally re-tool to do the other feat. I assume Voigt would know infinitely more on the subject than I do.
In reference to Wiggins' hour record.........
"“You have to understand that getting ready for the hour record is nothing like getting ready for the Tour de France,” says Voigt. “The workouts are much shorter, more intense. What I was doing for the hour record was closer to what a prologue specialist might do when they are preparing for the short time trial. In the morning we did an hour and a half maximum on the track, but it was very, very intense.”
For the last two months after retiring from road racing, Wiggins has had to totally revamp his training. Gone are the long rides so important to riding a 260-kilometer classic like Paris-Roubaix. Intensity is the new premium."
https://www.outsideonline.com/1985726/w ... our-record0 -
2 months is hardly a long time to readjust. Even if you add something to your training regime it usually takes a good few weeks before you see any benefit.0
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Pross wrote:Irrespective of the history, the new record is a huge achievement.
However, the argument that Beryl's record lasted so long due to a lack of interest doesn't ring true. There have been plenty of female cyclists over that time that specialised in long distance records - the End to End has been broken numerous times and I would suggest that takes far more planning to target. To suggest that it could have been broken sooner not only under-estimates the high bar that Burton set but also the achievement of Alice in finally breaking it. Technology will have obviously helped but ultimately you still have to sit on the bike churning out the watts for 12 hours non-stop which I know, even from my own low speed effort, is a huge challenge both mentally and physically. It's not just the effort on the legs and the pain of being in the saddle for hours on end but the unexpected aches and pains (for me hot spots on my feet and sore forearms from the aero bars) and technology doesn't help with that.
So much this /\. Well said.0
