Which Titanium frame?
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Also from Carl StrongWARRANTY
Strong Frames come with a satisfaction guarantee and are warranted against craftsmanship defects for life. Material warranties are as follows:
Standard Steel, Straight Gauge Titanium– Life
Extralite Steel, Double Butted Titanium and Carbon Fiber – 5 Years
In the event you have a problem that is covered under our warranty we will either repair it to like new condition or replace it based on our discretion. The warranty is for the original owner and is non-transferable.
Surely that's the kind of warranty you want if you're dropping up to two grand on a frame?0 -
It looks like an epidemic to me........ https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=crack ... 66&bih=638
This appears to be a collection of photos of various bike bits, not really useful? Including som e big brands with issues on the frame - I guess be the same with any material if you looked. I s there any comparable data that shows out of x material y are faulty?
OP, here's some info on various materials http://www.strongframes.com/more/metatl ... rt-series/
An old article written prior to CF becoming main-stream as an indication as too how long ago we're talking. It also points out Titanium frame builders won\t stand by - ie their process will have also improved over the time frame.
I take the point it comes down to the quality of the welds - and even (bad) luck if you happen to damage any particular frame .....
Which is why it's worth paying for someone who knows what they're doing.[/quote] - Again if you have some one who knows what they're doing I guess you could still have an issue (of any frame materiel?) - How do you quantify whether the brand or frame fabricator/welder does know what they're doing?
Take the Burles for instance using Russain welders who specialist in titanium welding for bikes (and not a generic welder in far east)where Burles have used them for 10 years, so I guess he feels confident that they know what they're doing?
I guess this is simalar argument for cheap vs expensive carbon frames - Although I understood the more expensive ones had higher % CF and less glue..?
Compered to say the Moots where everything is done in-house so the labor costs alone increase the price as well as paying for the @brand@ but without knowing whether it is more quality or marketing bs it's hard to work out whether it is indeed worth paying the premium for it and as I said before where is the middle of the road something half decent backed by lifetime warrenty (hopefully they'll still be in business if and when I need to call on it)....
Or are you suggesting to stay away from Ti and go for steel or Aluminum? I can't quite justify the new graphite/carbon resin0 -
Epidemic, by definition, is a situation where a majority are affected at once and there is no evidence to suggest the majority of titanium frames produced at any one time are cracking.styxd wrote:Bordersroadie wrote:And so the Internet myth continues....
It looks like an epidemic to me........ https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=crack ... 66&bih=638
Whilst the Google image link does contains some images of broken titanium frames it is specious at best to extrapolate this as an epidemic when it offers no timeframe to the breakages, no context to the breakages and no number of breakages as a percentage of all titanium frames produced. The breakages may well be a result of not too meticulous preparation but we'd need a comprehensive number of warranty inspection reports before being able to draw a definitive conclusion.
Out of interest I did similar searches for cracked aluminium, steel and carbon frames and they yielded similar image results but whilst they show these materials can also crack I wouldn't extrapolate these searches alone to suggest an epidemic of breakages among any of these materials.0 -
PhilipPirrip wrote:
Epidemic, by definition, is a situation where a majority are affected at once and there is no evidence to suggest the majority of titanium frames produced at any one time are cracking.styxd wrote:Bordersroadie wrote:And so the Internet myth continues....
It looks like an epidemic to me........ https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=crack ... 66&bih=638
Whilst the Google image link does contains some images of broken titanium frames it is specious at best to extrapolate this as an epidemic when it offers no timeframe to the breakages, no context to the breakages and no number of breakages as a percentage of all titanium frames produced. The breakages may well be a result of not too meticulous preparation but we'd need a comprehensive number of warranty inspection reports before being able to draw a definitive conclusion.
Out of interest I did similar searches for cracked aluminium, steel and carbon frames and they yielded similar image results but whilst they show these materials can also crack I wouldn't extrapolate these searches alone to suggest an epidemic of breakages among any of these materials.
Yes, all frames can break. Although you'll notice the cracked steel and alloy frames all tend to be old or cheap. And carbon fibre; you can repair that at home yourself if you really wanted to.0 -
We can agree that all frames can break, particularly when poor design and manufacture creates stressors, but the suggestion that there is an epidemic of titanium frame failures remains fallacious. I can't find an article that evidences an epidemic of failures over the past few years which, if it were to true, is an amazing achievement for a whole industry to have kept such a thing quiet whilst continuing to sell the frames.styxd wrote:PhilipPirrip wrote:
Epidemic, by definition, is a situation where a majority are affected at once and there is no evidence to suggest the majority of titanium frames produced at any one time are cracking.styxd wrote:Bordersroadie wrote:And so the Internet myth continues....
It looks like an epidemic to me........ https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=crack ... 66&bih=638
Whilst the Google image link does contains some images of broken titanium frames it is specious at best to extrapolate this as an epidemic when it offers no timeframe to the breakages, no context to the breakages and no number of breakages as a percentage of all titanium frames produced. The breakages may well be a result of not too meticulous preparation but we'd need a comprehensive number of warranty inspection reports before being able to draw a definitive conclusion.
Out of interest I did similar searches for cracked aluminium, steel and carbon frames and they yielded similar image results but whilst they show these materials can also crack I wouldn't extrapolate these searches alone to suggest an epidemic of breakages among any of these materials.
Yes, all frames can break. Although you'll notice the cracked steel and alloy frames all tend to be old or cheap. And carbon fibre; you can repair that at home yourself if you really wanted to.
There's a whiff of hyperbole about it.0 -
I have a Reilly Gradient. Very happy with it. The latest version is flatmount too.Facts are meaningless, you can use facts to prove anything that's remotely true! - Homer0
