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  • clickrumble
    clickrumble Posts: 304
    cooldad wrote:
    I do fart sometimes whilst riding, so probably emit CO.
    Actually, you emit CO2 by breathing too.
  • rpherts
    rpherts Posts: 207
    If "Road Tax" determined your access to the road, 99.9% of all car drivers would have to pull over to let lorries have right of way. I expect this will not be a popular move.
    taxing non-business car journeys that are less than five miles in length.

    How on earth do you do that? :?:
  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
    N0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 6,058
    rpherts wrote:
    taxing non-business car journeys that are less than five miles in length.

    How on earth do you do that? :?:

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  • john1967
    john1967 Posts: 366
    Clickrumble wrote:
    cooldad wrote:
    I do fart sometimes whilst riding, so probably emit CO.
    Actually, you emit CO2 by breathing too.

    is that a wind up?
  • 964cup
    964cup Posts: 1,362
    Christ, this is a cycling forum, and people are still victim-blaming. Just because you're driving a car, you don't have any more rights over the highway than any other road user, and you have no specially-protected entitlement to get anywhere quickly. If a cyclist, or horse rider, or traction engine, or tractor is in your way, tough. Slow down, shut up, and accept that your journey will take a bit longer. If you need to be somewhere on time, leave earlier - or use an alternative form of transport.

    Of course, in an ideal world we'd recognise that your choice to drive a car rather than take any other form of transport has consequences, and those consequences would be taxed properly. But that would require a substantially more joined-up public transport policy than we seem able to muster in Blighty.
  • john1967
    john1967 Posts: 366
    964Cup wrote:
    Just because you're driving a car, you don't have any more rights over the highway than any other road user, and you have no specially-protected entitlement to get anywhere quickly. If a cyclist, or horse rider, or traction engine, or tractor is in your way, tough. Slow down, shut up, and accept that your journey will take a bit longer. If you need to be somewhere on time, leave earlier - or use an alternative form of transport.

    That should be rule number 1 in the highway code and should be taught to every new driver from this day forward.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    964Cup wrote:
    Christ, this is a cycling forum, and people are still victim-blaming. Just because you're driving a car, you don't have any more rights over the highway than any other road user, and you have no specially-protected entitlement to get anywhere quickly. If a cyclist, or horse rider, or traction engine, or tractor is in your way, tough. Slow down, shut up, and accept that your journey will take a bit longer. If a sh1t cyclist is inconveniencing you through their selfishness, arrogance, ignorance and unawareness then as sh1t as this is, these berks are everywhere so remember to not get annoyed, and try to remember there are nice cyclists too. If you need to be somewhere on time, leave earlier - or use an alternative form of transport.

    Of course, in an ideal world we'd recognise that your choice to drive a car rather than take any other form of transport has consequences, and those consequences would be taxed properly. But that would require a substantially more joined-up public transport policy than we seem able to muster in Blighty.

    There, the bold bit added makes it work better and more relevant.
  • GedFoss
    GedFoss Posts: 18
    john1967 wrote:
    Clickrumble wrote:
    cooldad wrote:
    I do fart sometimes whilst riding, so probably emit CO.
    Actually, you emit CO2 by breathing too.

    is that a wind up?

    Yes, I wasn't sure if this was serious, so didn't reply.

    Just to be clear, while not wanting to patronise anyone, the CO2 we breathe out is from carbohydrates in our food, produced ultimately by plants, yes, taking CO2 out of the atmosphere. So cyclists and horses are carbon-neutral. Methane is, of course, a greenhouse gas.
  • rumbataz
    rumbataz Posts: 796
    I am not surprised that car drivers despise cyclists with a passion. Being only a leisure cyclist, my main mode of transport is walking or driving. Whilst walking I have to dodge cyclists on the pavement who won't stop or change direction, but will come straight at you. None of them have any safety equipment. Most look angry and desperate to get to where they are going.

    Whilst driving, virtually every cyclist I encounter jumps red lights and then pedals as fast as he can (yes, it's always a 'he') as if he owns the road.

    I've faced cyclists going the wrong way up a road, doing wheelies on dual carriageways, yobs riding around looking for trouble and a plethora of other unpleasantries.

    Then you get the serious cyclists, of whom virtually every single one will jump red lights or cycle off the road and onto the pavement to cross the road at a pedestrian crossing with no consideration for the traffic lights or pedestrians.

    I imagine the physical exertion causes a rise in testosterone and just makes a lot of serious cyclists very angry all the time.

    As a driver I always give all cyclists a wide berth when passing them and would never put them in a position of danger. As a cyclist I encounter aggressive drivers on every ride, yet I never impede drivers and will always move to the left near the kerb to let drivers pass.

    However, the behaviour of most cyclists out there, certainly in my part of London, is the root cause of the hostility towards cyclists.

    We have to be realistic and pragmatic: the UK's roads are designed for cars and lorries. They are not designed for cyclists. Hence, as cyclists, we need to be aware of this.

    In several countries in Europe and Scandinavia, cyclists actually have priority at roundabouts and traffic lights. The road infrastructure in those countries caters for cyclists. In the UK, it doesn't.
  • johngti
    johngti Posts: 2,508
    rumbataz wrote:
    I am not surprised that car drivers despise cyclists with a passion. Being only a leisure cyclist, my main mode of transport is walking or driving. Whilst walking I have to dodge cyclists on the pavement who won't stop or change direction, but will come straight at you. None of them have any safety equipment. Most look angry and desperate to get to where they are going.

    Whilst driving, virtually every cyclist I encounter jumps red lights and then pedals as fast as he can (yes, it's always a 'he') as if he owns the road.

    I've faced cyclists going the wrong way up a road, doing wheelies on dual carriageways, yobs riding around looking for trouble and a plethora of other unpleasantries.

    Then you get the serious cyclists, of whom virtually every single one will jump red lights or cycle off the road and onto the pavement to cross the road at a pedestrian crossing with no consideration for the traffic lights or pedestrians.

    I imagine the physical exertion causes a rise in testosterone and just makes a lot of serious cyclists very angry all the time.

    As a driver I always give all cyclists a wide berth when passing them and would never put them in a position of danger. As a cyclist I encounter aggressive drivers on every ride, yet I never impede drivers and will always move to the left near the kerb to let drivers pass.

    However, the behaviour of most cyclists out there, certainly in my part of London, is the root cause of the hostility towards cyclists.

    We have to be realistic and pragmatic: the UK's roads are designed for cars and lorries. They are not designed for cyclists. Hence, as cyclists, we need to be aware of this.

    In several countries in Europe and Scandinavia, cyclists actually have priority at roundabouts and traffic lights. The road infrastructure in those countries caters for cyclists. In the UK, it doesn't.

    I call bull s**t. In my part of London, it's drivers racing the lights, texting and speeding that's the biggest problem. I've seen a handful of cyclists going through red lights; on most journeys it's the car and van drivers.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    rumbataz wrote:
    ...Whilst walking I have to dodge cyclists on the pavement who won't stop or change direction, but will come straight at you. None of them have any safety equipment. Most look angry and desperate to get to where they are going...
    Walk tall. Walk big. Walk strong. Knock the handlebars.
    They will come off worse and may rethink their actions.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • 964cup
    964cup Posts: 1,362
    I will say this again. In the same way that you don't have the right not to be offended, whatever the current media hysteria, you also don't have the right not to be inconvenienced. Whether the person in front of you is a "sh*t cyclist", an older driver, a lost and befuddled tourist, or just not in the same tearing f*cking hurry that all drivers seem to be in these days, you just have to put up with it. You may overtake when it is safe to do so. That's not me talking, that's the Highway Code. And basic common decency.

    Despite being, I think, "good" cyclists, my club usually gets hooted by entitled drivers a couple of times on the club run. Just where the f*ck are all these people off to in such a rush in Hertfordshire on a Sunday morning? Are they late for church? Interestingly, I don't often see people hooting at horseriders (of whom we usually see a few each ride). Presumably this is the well-known English preference for animals over people, or maybe it's a class thing. Oddly, we cyclists seem able to pass the aforementioned horses slowly, politely and with plenty of room despite them holding us up.

    Funny how we spend so much time saying "good sharing" to our kids, but can't remember the phrase once we get behind a wheel.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    964Cup wrote:
    I will say this again. In the same way that you don't have the right not to be offended, whatever the current media hysteria, you also don't have the right not to be inconvenienced. Whether the person in front of you is a "sh*t cyclist", an older driver, a lost and befuddled tourist, or just not in the same tearing f*cking hurry that all drivers seem to be in these days, you just have to put up with it. You may overtake when it is safe to do so. That's not me talking, that's the Highway Code. And basic common decency.

    Despite being, I think, "good" cyclists, my club usually gets hooted by entitled drivers a couple of times on the club run. Just where the f*ck are all these people off to in such a rush in Hertfordshire on a Sunday morning? Are they late for church? Interestingly, I don't often see people hooting at horseriders (of whom we usually see a few each ride). Presumably this is the well-known English preference for animals over people, or maybe it's a class thing. Oddly, we cyclists seem able to pass the aforementioned horses slowly, politely and with plenty of room despite them holding us up.

    Funny how we spend so much time saying "good sharing" to our kids, but can't remember the phrase once we get behind a wheel.

    It's not about a right not to be inconvenienced, of course not. People are inconvenienced by poor cycling behaviour though, needlessly, it's caused by the cyclists who ride like this.

    As mentioned before, good cyclists also witness the aggression aimed at poor cyclists as there are so many of them we all get tarred with the same brush.

    There is nothing that can be fixed here, too many cyclists ride with barely any empathy towards drivers around them.
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    80 miles in busy Cheshoire... not a toot.... not so depressed.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    I could not tell you the like time I got "tooted".
    Maybe a London/SE thing?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • johngti
    johngti Posts: 2,508
    PBlakeney wrote:
    I could not tell you the like time I got "tooted".
    Maybe a London/SE thing?

    Not really. 43 miles, NW Kent this morning, everyone was calm and patient. Although I suspect someone gave my friends a beep for riding two abreast, it was a nothing style incident.
  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368
    a group of riders riding 2 up, in front of me were tooted at by a Skoda driver yesterday, assume it wasnt Wiggo, whilst riding the lanes of sleepy Suffolk, they werent doing anything Id have said warranted a toot.
  • Seb K
    Seb K Posts: 23
    If there weren't so many cars on the roads then it wouldn't be busy . Cars take too much space then you have to park them on the road which takes up more space . In a busy city like London they should be restricted to people who have large families . Don't get me started on road surfaces . Where I am in Surrey the roads are sh** . Holes everywhere, sunken manhole covers etc . Then when a driver beeps at me for swerving out the way of a large hole I see at the last minute he then makes me angry and then we are both pi**ed off . Cars cause too many damn problems .
  • ben@31
    ben@31 Posts: 2,327
    Looking at my local newspaper website, there's a lot of cars that are untaxed and uninsured. Number plates never stopped them breaking laws.
    The biggest problem is the daily mail culture for thick people, that breeds hatrid.
    Like sectarianism, most of these haters probably don't comprehend the reasons why they hate others, they just do it because they're told to.
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    ben@31 wrote:
    The biggest problem is the daily mail culture for thick people, that breeds hatrid.

    You mean hatred.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    mfin wrote:
    ben@31 wrote:
    The biggest problem is the daily mail culture for thick people, that breeds hatrid.

    You mean hatred.
    Possibly. Maybe not.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hatrid
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • bungle73
    bungle73 Posts: 758
    PBlakeney wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    ben@31 wrote:
    The biggest problem is the daily mail culture for thick people, that breeds hatrid.

    You mean hatred.
    Possibly. Maybe not.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hatrid

    Are you really trying to use Urban Dictionary as means of telling how a word is spelled.....?

    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/diction ... ish/hatred
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    Bungle73 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    ben@31 wrote:
    The biggest problem is the daily mail culture for thick people, that breeds hatrid.

    You mean hatred.
    Possibly. Maybe not.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hatrid

    Are you really trying to use Urban Dictionary as means of telling how a word is spelled.....?

    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/diction ... ish/hatred
    I am saying that language is not a fixed concept.
    Dictionaries change year on year.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,824
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Bungle73 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    ben@31 wrote:
    The biggest problem is the daily mail culture for thick people, that breeds hatrid.

    You mean hatred.
    Possibly. Maybe not.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hatrid

    Are you really trying to use Urban Dictionary as means of telling how a word is spelled.....?

    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/diction ... ish/hatred
    I am saying that language is not a fixed concept.
    Dictionaries change year on year.
    Never mind the fact that they use the word hatred in the definition to show how it is different.
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  • bungle73
    bungle73 Posts: 758
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Bungle73 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    ben@31 wrote:
    The biggest problem is the daily mail culture for thick people, that breeds hatrid.

    You mean hatred.
    Possibly. Maybe not.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hatrid

    Are you really trying to use Urban Dictionary as means of telling how a word is spelled.....?

    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/diction ... ish/hatred
    I am saying that language is not a fixed concept.
    Dictionaries change year on year.
    Never mind the fact that they use the word hatred in the definition to show how it is different.

    Huh?
  • bungle73
    bungle73 Posts: 758
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Bungle73 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    ben@31 wrote:
    The biggest problem is the daily mail culture for thick people, that breeds hatrid.

    You mean hatred.
    Possibly. Maybe not.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hatrid

    Are you really trying to use Urban Dictionary as means of telling how a word is spelled.....?

    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/diction ... ish/hatred
    I am saying that language is not a fixed concept.
    Dictionaries change year on year.

    There is a correct way to spell a word and a wrong way.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    Only if you meant that word in the first place.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • bungle73
    bungle73 Posts: 758
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Only if you meant that word in the first place.
    Er what word was meant, other than the one that was written....?
  • FishFish
    FishFish Posts: 2,152
    I went to a 'show' in Bangkok once where a lady put an onion in her bottom and smoked a cigarette saparately, but fairly close.
    ...take your pickelf on your holibobs.... :D

    jeez :roll:
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,345
    Bungle73 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Only if you meant that word in the first place.
    Er what word was meant, other than the one that was written....?
    Quite possibly - Hatrid.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.

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