Sexy Dr Who

pblakeney

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Does remind me of that riddle.

https://www.bu.edu/today/2014/bu-resear ... nder-bias/

a father and son are in a horrible car crash that kills the dad. The son is rushed to the hospital; just as he’s about to go under the knife, the surgeon says, “I can’t operate—that boy is my son!”

Too emotional, I guess.

Wrong time of the month?

rolf_f

Sexy Doctor Who + sexy assistant. The next series probably doesn't really need any aliens in it.

fat daddy

Rolf F wrote:

Sexy Doctor Who + sexy assistant. The next series probably doesn't really need any aliens in it.

bit short sighted there ..... I forsee sexy aliens

veronese68

Rolf F wrote:

+ sexy assistant.

Matt Lucas? I know I said in the other thread it's a good thing we are attracted to different types, but Matt Lucas?

rolf_f

Veronese68 wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

+ sexy assistant.

Matt Lucas? I know I said in the other thread it's a good thing we are attracted to different types, but Matt Lucas?

I'm trying to mend my ways.

ugo.santalucia

Rolf F wrote:

Sexy Doctor Who + sexy assistant. The next series probably doesn't really need any aliens in it.

Racist comment... :roll:

secretsam

Rick Chasey wrote:

Does remind me of that riddle.

https://www.bu.edu/today/2014/bu-resear ... nder-bias/

a father and son are in a horrible car crash that kills the dad. The son is rushed to the hospital; just as he’s about to go under the knife, the surgeon says, “I can’t operate—that boy is my son!”

It's obvious the surgeon is the mother

fat daddy

SecretSam wrote:

It's obvious the surgeon is the mother

Still doesn't answer the question though to why she cant operate on him .... you really telling me a Mother would refuse to help her child to live because of some bizaare ethical law or the like ?

rjsterry

fat daddy wrote:

SecretSam wrote:

It's obvious the surgeon is the mother

Still doesn't answer the question though to why she cant operate on him .... you really telling me a Mother would refuse to help her child to live because of some bizaare ethical law or the like ?

What's bizarre about it? Seems very sensible to me. You seriously don't think a parent-child relationship might affect one's clinical judgement? You need a a fairly large amount of detachment to cut open another human being, even if it is for their own good.

fat daddy

rjsterry wrote:

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What's bizarre about it? Seems very sensible to me. You seriously don't think a parent-child relationship might affect one's clinical judgement? You need a a fairly large amount of detachment to cut open another human being, even if it is for their own good.

are you a parent ? ....

firstly a surgeon doesn't have qualms about cutting people open its a daily job, its the norm so this wouldn't phase them in the same way cutting a chicken breast up doesn't affect the majority of people

Secondly, I do think a parent-child relationship would affect judgement, but not in the way that the mum wouldn't help her kid .... I think she would go above and beyond to try to save her child

These are are just opinions though based upon my own feelings .... I woudnt bat an eyelid if it came to sacrificing anything to save my kid

rjsterry

fat daddy wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

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What's bizarre about it? Seems very sensible to me. You seriously don't think a parent-child relationship might affect one's clinical judgement? You need a a fairly large amount of detachment to cut open another human being, even if it is for their own good.

are you a parent ? ....

firstly a surgeon doesn't have qualms about cutting people open its a daily job, its the norm so this wouldn't phase them in the same way cutting a chicken breast up doesn't affect the majority of people

Secondly, I do think a parent-child relationship would affect judgement, but not in the way that the mum wouldn't help her kid .... I think she would go above and beyond to try to save her child

These are are just opinions though based upon my own feelings .... I woudnt bat an eyelid if it came to sacrificing anything to save my kid

Yes, I'm a parent. My parents were both veterinary surgeons so I have some perspective on this and what surgery involves. I've also listened to surgeons describing the detachment they need to do their job properly. It's not about whether they would want to help. It's a question of whether they actually could do their job if the patient was their own child.

secretsam

fat daddy wrote:

SecretSam wrote:

It's obvious the surgeon is the mother

Still doesn't answer the question though to why she cant operate on him .... you really telling me a Mother would refuse to help her child to live because of some bizaare ethical law or the like ?

I don't think it's a legal or ethical thing, i think it's an emotional thing

pblakeney

fat daddy wrote:

SecretSam wrote:

It's obvious the surgeon is the mother

Still doesn't answer the question though to why she cant operate on him .... you really telling me a Mother would refuse to help her child to live because of some bizaare ethical law or the like ?

FYI

http://www.gmc-uk.org/guidance/10247.asp

Frank the tank

Imagine the fear Daleks will feel when confronted with a Dr Who with a sonic screwdriver and PMT.

4kicks

Dont watch the show, but the irony of selecting a young, hot female being presented as an inspired "Feminist" choice is slowly dawning on me.
Get, for example off the top of my head, Sandi Toksvig or, ideally, ask Elisabeth Moss/ Jane Campion to star/direct and you're giving my daughter some role models.

bendertherobot

4kicks wrote:

Dont watch the show, but the irony of selecting a young, hot female being presented as an inspired "Feminist" choice is slowly dawning on me.
Get, for example off the top of my head, Sandi Toksvig or, ideally, ask Elisabeth Moss/ Jane Campion to star/direct and you're giving my daughter some role models.

What's the difference between 35 year old Elisabeth Moss and 35 year old Jodie Whittaker in role model terms given that we've not seen a single minute of script yet?

rjsterry

bendertherobot wrote:

4kicks wrote:

Dont watch the show, but the irony of selecting a young, hot female being presented as an inspired "Feminist" choice is slowly dawning on me.
Get, for example off the top of my head, Sandi Toksvig or, ideally, ask Elisabeth Moss/ Jane Campion to star/direct and you're giving my daughter some role models.

What's the difference between 35 year old Elisabeth Moss and 35 year old Jodie Whittaker in role model terms given that we've not seen a single minute of script yet?

Given Moss's scientology connections, perhaps Whittaker is the better role model anyway.

4kicks

bendertherobot wrote:

4kicks wrote:

Dont watch the show, but the irony of selecting a young, hot female being presented as an inspired "Feminist" choice is slowly dawning on me.
Get, for example off the top of my head, Sandi Toksvig or, ideally, ask Elisabeth Moss/ Jane Campion to star/direct and you're giving my daughter some role models.

What's the difference between 35 year old Elisabeth Moss and 35 year old Jodie Whittaker in role model terms given that we've not seen a single minute of script yet?

If its not apparent, nothing I will say would make it any more so.

rick_chasey

4kicks wrote:

Dont watch the show, but the irony of selecting a young, hot female being presented as an inspired "Feminist" choice is slowly dawning on me.
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Didn't realise feminism was exclusively for non-hot people.

4kicks

Rick Chasey wrote:

4kicks wrote:

Dont watch the show, but the irony of selecting a young, hot female being presented as an inspired "Feminist" choice is slowly dawning on me.
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Didn't realise feminism was exclusively for non-hot people.

Its not. Nor indeed is trolling, it would appear. :roll:

rjsterry

Well go on then: explain what you meant instead of getting all sniffy about it. What is the difference that you see between Jodie Whittaker working with Chris Chibnall and Elisabeth Moss directed by Jane Campion? I'm sure either would be great; Toksvig would have been fun, too.

4kicks

rjsterry wrote:

Well go on then: explain what you meant instead of getting all sniffy about it. What is the difference that you see between Jodie Whittaker working with Chris Chibnall and Elisabeth Moss directed by Jane Campion? I'm sure either would be great; Toksvig would have been fun, too.

OK then. Given the thread title "sexy Dr Who" it's pretty clear that, for at least a subset of the Who-ites (Who-ists?) this is seen as a "sexy" casting a la "lets give the dads something to rub their hands up and down their thighs about".
Whilst (of course) a feminist can be sexy it somewhat weakens the argument to a public used to seeing things in broad strokes and incapable of understanding nuance (seen the 700 pages of brexit arguments on here, for example) and risks being seen as a diluted compromise. The Spice Girls also claimed to be feminists.
The casting of Dr Who has always, iirc, worked better with somewhat quirky and off-centre individuals, had, and here I have to confess I'm struggling for names, one of the male stars of "Love Island", "The Only Way is Essex" or whatever, been selected I would have been just as disappointed.
My selection of Moss & Campion, admittedly somewhat of a random selection, was that in" Down by the Lake" they were able to develop a mature, capable female lead whilst giving it a hell of a lot of "colour" through the characters back story (and great acting).

4kicks

rjsterry wrote:

fat daddy wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

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What's bizarre about it? Seems very sensible to me. You seriously don't think a parent-child relationship might affect one's clinical judgement? You need a a fairly large amount of detachment to cut open another human being, even if it is for their own good.

are you a parent ? ....

firstly a surgeon doesn't have qualms about cutting people open its a daily job, its the norm so this wouldn't phase them in the same way cutting a chicken breast up doesn't affect the majority of people

Secondly, I do think a parent-child relationship would affect judgement, but not in the way that the mum wouldn't help her kid .... I think she would go above and beyond to try to save her child

These are are just opinions though based upon my own feelings .... I woudnt bat an eyelid if it came to sacrificing anything to save my kid

Yes, I'm a parent. My parents were both veterinary surgeons so I have some perspective on this and what surgery involves. I've also listened to surgeons describing the detachment they need to do their job properly. It's not about whether they would want to help. It's a question of whether they actually could do their job if the patient was their own child.

Theres a reasonable article in Prospect Magazine this month which posits the question if all surgeons are psychopaths given their desire to do something which should be abhorrent. https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/maga ... -merciless

rjsterry

4kicks wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Well go on then: explain what you meant instead of getting all sniffy about it. What is the difference that you see between Jodie Whittaker working with Chris Chibnall and Elisabeth Moss directed by Jane Campion? I'm sure either would be great; Toksvig would have been fun, too.

OK then. Given the thread title "sexy Dr Who" its pretty clear that, for at least a subset of the Whoites (Whoists?) this is seen as a "sexy" casting a la "lets give the dads something to rub their hands up and down their thighs about".
Whilst (of course) a feminist Can be sexy it somewhat weakens the argument and risks being seen as a compromise. Spice girls also claimed to be feminists.
The casting of Dr Who has always, iirc, worked better with somewhat quirky and off-centre individuals, had, and here I have to confess Im struggling for names, one of the male stars of Love Island, The only was is Essex or whatever, been selected I would have been just as disappointed.
My selection of Moss & Campion, admittedly somewhat of a random selection, was that in" Down by the Lake" they were able to develop a mature, capable female lead whilst giving it a hell of a lot of "colour" through the characters back story (and great acting).

Fair enough. Although I'm not sure the the choice was sold as that by the producers. I think you are being a bit unfair comparing Whittaker with TOWIE and Love Island. Broadchurch was her last big role.

4kicks

Indeed, but as soon as the title is "Sexy Dr Who" the battle to present her as a good female role model for youngsters is already lost.

rjsterry

4kicks wrote:

Indeed, but as soon as the title is "Sexy Dr Who" the battle to present her as a good female role model for youngsters is already lost.

I think you are giving the OP way too much credit.

Ben6899

I think OP named the thread as such to undermine any positive role model angles that might be taken from Whittaker being given the part.

Frank the tank

I'm just concerned that with it being a female Dr the inside of the TARDIS will be cluttered up with Pot Pourri,scented candles, scatter cushions and all manner of plaques with soppy messages on them.
No doubt very handy it is 10x bigger on the inside than the outside.

rjsterry

Is that rather lame trolling or do you actually know someone like this?

jc4lab

Instead of the master maybe the mistress...cyberwomen,,,evil lady daleks (and you thought the others were scary)