Mark Cavendish appeals for end to 'vile and threatening' abuse

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,161
    mfin wrote:
    A friend put it better, he said it's wrong as it is like a lion that's full up saying "I understand some zebras don't like me cos I used to eat zebras".
    It's not the same. Eating zebras is what lions do. They always have, they always will. There has never been a case of a lion changing diet mid-life.
    A human becoming more mature and generally a better person is, on the other hand, fairly normal.
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    edited July 2017
    RichN95 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    A friend put it better, he said it's wrong as it is like a lion that's full up saying "I understand some zebras don't like me cos I used to eat zebras".
    It's not the same. Eating zebras is what lions do. They always have, they always will. There has never been a case of a lion changing diet mid-life.
    A human becoming more mature and generally a better person is, on the other hand, fairly normal.

    Whoosh....

    Missing the point. The point is that if he has changed from being petulant it's a recent thing, but he chose to say he was petulant as a kid, making out all that all his petulant behaviour is distant history, it isn't distant history.

    Doesn't matter.

    It is good recently that he appears to suddenly be calming down though, although I think that's more to do with the fact that you can't be full of stinking attitude when you aren't winning any more or you will look stupid, that's what's happening with Cavendish I expect.
  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    mamil314 wrote:
    freedom of speech is important.

    so are the limitations to freedom of speech relating to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury


    I think threatening his family falls somewhere under that lot :?
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    fat daddy wrote:
    mamil314 wrote:
    freedom of speech is important.

    so are the limitations to freedom of speech relating to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, the right to be forgotten, public security, and perjury


    I think threatening his family falls somewhere under that lot :?

    You've oversimplified the argument to something it is not. Freedom of speech is important, I don't think anyone would say freedom of speech is defined by being able to say what you want to who you want in any fashion you want, well, not unless they are daft.

    Freedom of speech is all about being allowed to express your opinions without being limited or censored. That's not what people sending abusive messages are doing, they aren't "expressing their opinions".
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,161
    mfin wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    A friend put it better, he said it's wrong as it is like a lion that's full up saying "I understand some zebras don't like me cos I used to eat zebras".
    It's not the same. Eating zebras is what lions do. They always have, they always will. There has never been a case of a lion changing diet mid-life.
    A human becoming more mature and generally a better person is, on the other hand, fairly normal.

    Whoosh....

    Missing the point
    My only point is that your friend's analogy is really stupid. And it is.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    RichN95 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    A friend put it better, he said it's wrong as it is like a lion that's full up saying "I understand some zebras don't like me cos I used to eat zebras".
    It's not the same. Eating zebras is what lions do. They always have, they always will. There has never been a case of a lion changing diet mid-life.
    A human becoming more mature and generally a better person is, on the other hand, fairly normal.

    Whoosh....

    Missing the point
    My only point is that your friend's analogy is really stupid. And it is.

    Naaa, your point missed the point. It wasn't anything to do with lions' diets by the way.

    Oh well. Cav will be alright, that's the main thing, he can have some well earned time off, rest up at home and look at his collection of silver medal.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 21,857
    mfin wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    A friend put it better, he said it's wrong as it is like a lion that's full up saying "I understand some zebras don't like me cos I used to eat zebras".
    It's not the same. Eating zebras is what lions do. They always have, they always will. There has never been a case of a lion changing diet mid-life.
    A human becoming more mature and generally a better person is, on the other hand, fairly normal.

    Whoosh....

    Missing the point
    My only point is that your friend's analogy is really stupid. And it is.

    Naaa, your point missed the point. It wasn't anything to do with lions' diets by the way.

    Well, I've missed the point as well. Not seeing any relevant analogy.
    And maybe that is the point.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    RichN95 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    A friend put it better, he said it's wrong as it is like a lion that's full up saying "I understand some zebras don't like me cos I used to eat zebras".
    It's not the same. Eating zebras is what lions do. They always have, they always will. There has never been a case of a lion changing diet mid-life.
    A human becoming more mature and generally a better person is, on the other hand, fairly normal.

    But not obligatory. See above.
    Twitter: @canocola @thedreadships
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,344
    Speaking of lions, I can recommend the documentary "The Mapogos - Lions of Sabi Sand". A band of rampaging lions. Almost Sagan levels of rampage.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • ben@31
    ben@31 Posts: 2,327
    One reason why I've never felt like I'm missing out by not having a Facebook or Twitter account.
    Simply don't use it, if it's that bad.
    If this forum got bad, I wouldn't read it. Not that I care what some random stranger whos done nothing for me thinks.
    How did Coppi and Merckx cope without facebook and twitter ?
    "The Prince of Wales is now the King of France" - Calton Kirby
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    ben@31 wrote:
    One reason why I've never felt like I'm missing out by not having a Facebook or Twitter account.
    Simply don't use it, if it's that bad.
    If this forum got bad, I wouldn't read it. Not that I care what some random stranger whos done nothing for me thinks.
    How did Coppi and Merckx cope without facebook and twitter ?

    It has been reported that most of the abuse has been posted to him on Twitter. I don't know if it has occurred to him to log out of Twitter and not use it or read it, probably not.

    If the level of distress is proportional to reading the abusive tweets then my guess is by not reading these tweets the level of distress would immediately drop right down?

    Twitter is like smack to famous people, they fuel their own egos and self worth with it. It's so addictive they can't not read it even when people are posting stuff wishing death on their kids.

    (I am not excusing the tweets, not in the slightest, just pointing out the quickest way to stop experiencing the abuse).
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    Victim blaming? Really?
    Twitter: @canocola @thedreadships
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    Well, I think if it is distressing then common sense would be to immediately make a decision not look at it. That's what anyone sensible would do.

    Of course it's also worth saying something about it, which he has, I am not saying one action or the other, I am saying both, the first being logout don't read the stuff.
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,253
    it's social media and as someone has said to those in the public eye it's a useful way of communicating BUT Facecloth/Twatter etc seems to be full of angry people sat at home chatting 5hit about stuff they don't know. Women on a banknote, Wiggins/Sky, anything. Best way is to not have an account but then Froomes wife almost had a career out of being on Twitter.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    Michael Rasmussen just 'liked' a reply from me on Twitter. I may never wash my keyboard again.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,161
    underlayunderlay wrote:
    Michael Rasmussen just 'liked' a reply from me on Twitter. I may never wash my keyboard again.
    No. Bleach it. And if that doesn't work, burn it
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    RichN95 wrote:
    underlayunderlay wrote:
    Michael Rasmussen just 'liked' a reply from me on Twitter. I may never wash my keyboard again.
    No. Bleach it. And if that doesn't work, burn it
    Whatever you do, don't sniff it. It'll make you more suggestible and you'll end up taking EPO.

    I've been impressed with the mature approach Cav has taken to this whole situation. He definitely seems to have grown up a lot over the last couple of years.

    The worrying thing about social media abuse is that it engenders real life abuse. It's easy to say that it can be ignored but, when it emboldens the low-life on the street, then turning a blind eye isn't really a solution.
    https://gibworth.mypixieset.com
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    thegibdog wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    underlayunderlay wrote:
    Michael Rasmussen just 'liked' a reply from me on Twitter. I may never wash my keyboard again.
    No. Bleach it. And if that doesn't work, burn it
    Whatever you do, don't sniff it. It'll make you more suggestible and you'll end up taking EPO.

    I'm more worried about the effect on my time trialling ability, now you mention it.
    thegibdog wrote:
    The worrying thing about social media abuse is that it engenders real life abuse. It's easy to say that it can be ignored but, when it emboldens the low-life on the street, then turning a blind eye isn't really a solution.

    Good point.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,811
    Bloody bastards with their pseudony.....

    Never mind....
    _
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    ben@31 wrote:
    One reason why I've never felt like I'm missing out by not having a Facebook or Twitter account.
    Simply don't use it, if it's that bad.

    Have both, never received any abuse, unless you're famous it isn't that bad.

    I don't really post on Twitter, but it is useful for following races, seeing what's going on, people posting interesting articles, early transfer news etc.

    Take or leave Facebook these days.
  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    I don't do any social media at all. This forum is as deep as it gets.
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    ben@31 wrote:
    One reason why I've never felt like I'm missing out by not having a Facebook or Twitter account.
    Simply don't use it, if it's that bad.

    Have both, never received any abuse, unless you're famous it isn't that bad.

    I don't really post on Twitter, but it is useful for following races, seeing what's going on, people posting interesting articles, early transfer news etc.

    Take or leave Facebook these days.

    I am not famous and I have received racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, misogynist abuse for Tweeting about issues related to my academic research.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • nickice
    nickice Posts: 2,439
    The best thing to do is just ignore these people. If he comes out and says 'stop it' that will only galvanise idiots.
  • nickice
    nickice Posts: 2,439
    I remember I once tweeted something that was anti-Scottish independence. It was only a matter of time before what I can only call ultra-nationalist fellow Scots rounded on me. They soon get bored and move on.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,161
    There's a small cartel of doping obsessives on twitter and if you disagree with one of them they quote/retweet it and then rest all pile in to you. It's like Pokémon Go - can you catch them all. I blocked the lot of them. (Of course they think being blocked is some sort of sign that they're speaking an unwanted truth, rather than they're just bellends)
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    Above The Cows wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    ben@31 wrote:
    One reason why I've never felt like I'm missing out by not having a Facebook or Twitter account.
    Simply don't use it, if it's that bad.

    Have both, never received any abuse, unless you're famous it isn't that bad.

    I don't really post on Twitter, but it is useful for following races, seeing what's going on, people posting interesting articles, early transfer news etc.

    Take or leave Facebook these days.

    I am not famous and I have received racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, misogynist abuse for Tweeting about issues related to my academic research.

    But as per my next sentence I don't really "tweet"... it is useful as an information source though.

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