SupersixEvo vs Teammachine

davey.davey

bendertherobot wrote:

I rode mine like a Banshee today over some lovely surfaces and some poor ones. It probably could do with slightly thicker bar tape, but it handles everything with aplomb. They are very special.

Nice! :evil: Which one have you got?

MisterMuncher

Can't fault my Evo. Coming from a CAAD10, it was just right in fit and geometry, but even smoother and more planted. I ended up with a himod because I got a cracking deal on a framework, and I can't see me buying another straight road bike till I get the inevitable titanium and brown leather job at 50. Even then, it'll be a custom with the same geometry.

One thing to be said: get one with a Hollowgram crank. Anything else just isn't the same.

Garry H

Easy. Supersix looks fantastic, Teammachine doesn't.

bendertherobot

davey.davey wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

I rode mine like a Banshee today over some lovely surfaces and some poor ones. It probably could do with slightly thicker bar tape, but it handles everything with aplomb. They are very special.

Nice! :evil: Which one have you got?

Though it's on 'mere' Fulcrum Quattro at the moment.

robbo2011

Am I allowed to say that it probably looks about 10x better with the Fulcrums than with those daft looking carbon monstrosities?

Anonymous

How tall are you OP (not that height is everything)? Cannondales come up big

SLR03!
I am surprised thay even do it in Ultegra.

Avoid like the plague. Horrible cheap and v heavy carbon.
Its just not up to the quality of the Super Six imo.

The SLR01\2 are lovely bikes.
Team Machines look very different to the Super Six though and I thought that would be a big deciding factor.

I used to prefer the look of the BMC, but felt the Super Six rode slightly better.
I have come round to liking the new shape Super Six design more now though.

I would not listen to the "105 is just as good as Ultegra' rubbish, but I certainly would not buy an SLR03 over the SLR02 just to get Ultegra.

Anonymous

dstev55 wrote:

I know what I'd be going for - the BMC. In my opinion BMC has more appeal and you see a lot less on the road than Cannondales's and I prefer that exclusivity rather than knowing you're likely to see someone else on the same bike as you.

Mad reason for buying anything, especially a road bike.

I would buy the one I wanted, not the one others don't.

I have never even seen another one of the model my wife has.
It looks a lot like the synapse version because of the colour though.

BMC's are not exactly rare anyway.

If you stick some decent (well matched) wheels on etc. it will look pretty individual too.

Anonymous

robbo2011 wrote:

Am I allowed to say that it probably looks about 10x better with the Fulcrums than with those daft looking carbon monstrosities?

Bit harsh!

That Fabric saddle is a real no no though. Clashes terribly :shock:
Black would look so much better

Just noticed green cages too.

Do fabric do a yellow saddle?
Might tie in with the wheels?
Saddle and bars should match IMO though.

Wifes is the orange colour and it came with single yellow spoke Mavics.
Has white cables which look poo, but I will change to yellow Jagwires soon.

robbo2011

Carbonator wrote:

Bit harsh!

Not really.

Gives the bike a Fisher Price look if you ask me. That goes for all deep section wheels, not just these ones.

Anonymous

robbo2011 wrote:

Carbonator wrote:

Bit harsh!

Not really.

Gives the bike a Fisher Price look if you ask me. That goes for all deep section wheels, not just these ones.

Super Six's are 'semi aero' and maybe its performance thats required.
Aesthetically I think they look much better with less deep section wheels, but its personal preference.

The green detailing has to go though!

bendertherobot

robbo2011 wrote:

Am I allowed to say that it probably looks about 10x better with the Fulcrums than with those daft looking carbon monstrosities?

No, it's only 9 times better. And yes, that saddle needs changing too.

davey.davey

Thanks for the opinions everyone.

I tried out a SLR03 today. Liked it, but the cannondale felt loads better. So supersix evo it is

I like the matte black colour (105) loads better than the green/silver ultegra version, am I correct in saying it is just the groupset and brakeset that's different!?

From what I can see the frame carbon, forks, seatpost etc are exactly the same? I can afford either version (about £600 difference between the 105 version and ultegra version).

I can get the latest ultegra groupset and brakeset very very cheap from a friend to upgrade it if I want to. Which I will do if I can.

Thanks for the help

bendertherobot

It used to be a bit more complicated, it used to be the case that the 105 had an FSA chainset so getting the Ultegra with the Cannondale one really was the wise choice.

But, that's not the case now. Indeed, the Ultegra doesn't even improve on anything with stuff like seatposts (which are alloy). It's 'just' brakes, mechs and shifters.

So, for that notional £400 difference you get, well, not a lot really. Particularly given that the cost difference between 105 and Ultegra isn't anywhere near that.

Personally I'd take the 105 and upgrade the wheels.

Matthewfalle

robbo2011 wrote:

Carbonator wrote:

Bit harsh!

Not really.

Gives the bike a Fisher Price look if you ask me. That goes for all deep section wheels, not just these ones.

horribly rude comment.

It rocks on those rims - looks really nice. Needs stem slam in' though.

Sweet ride.

Bobbinogs

The Ultegra and 105 SS Evo are similar in terms of frameset but the seatpost is different, carbon for one and alu for the latter. This shouldn't be a real issue except the 25.4mm diameter limits after market choices, specially if you want a bigger setback.

Edit: just checked and BTR is right, C3 alloy seatpost is now standard for both models. FWIW, I am also tempted by the 105. Not a great fan of black bikes but getting kit that doesn't clash with silver and green could be tricky!

davey.davey

Bobbinogs wrote:

The Ultegra and 105 SS Evo are similar in terms of frameset but the seatpost is different, carbon for one and alu for the latter. This shouldn't be a real issue except the 25.4mm diameter limits after market choices, specially if you want a bigger setback.

Just had a look on Evans website, and it says they're both alloy!?

davey.davey

bendertherobot wrote:

davey.davey wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

I rode mine like a Banshee today over some lovely surfaces and some poor ones. It probably could do with slightly thicker bar tape, but it handles everything with aplomb. They are very special.

Nice! :evil: Which one have you got?

Though it's on 'mere' Fulcrum Quattro at the moment.

Very nice

Bobbinogs

davey.davey wrote:

Bobbinogs wrote:

The Ultegra and 105 SS Evo are similar in terms of frameset but the seatpost is different, carbon for one and alu for the latter. This shouldn't be a real issue except the 25.4mm diameter limits after market choices, specially if you want a bigger setback.

Just had a look on Evans website, and it says they're both alloy!?

Yes my mistake. Not sure when that changed!

davey.davey

Bobbinogs wrote:

Edit: just checked and BTR is right, C3 alloy seatpost is now standard for both models. FWIW, I am also tempted by the 105. Not a great fan of black bikes but getting kit that doesn't clash with silver and green could be tricky!

I'm the opposite, I love the matte black finish 8) the green/silver is nice in the flesh though I must admit.

Have you rode one? They are very nice bikes

dstev55

Carbonator wrote:

dstev55 wrote:

I know what I'd be going for - the BMC. In my opinion BMC has more appeal and you see a lot less on the road than Cannondales's and I prefer that exclusivity rather than knowing you're likely to see someone else on the same bike as you.

Mad reason for buying anything, especially a road bike.

I would buy the one I wanted, not the one others don't.

I have never even seen another one of the model my wife has.
It looks a lot like the synapse version because of the colour though.

BMC's are not exactly rare anyway.

If you stick some decent (well matched) wheels on etc. it will look pretty individual too.

You don't see many BMC's round where I live. A clubmate has a GF02 but other than that I could count on one hand the ones I have seen. Probably seen Cannondales's ten fold. They're a bit like Specialized - both heavily marketed American bikes.

That's not saying I think it's a bad bike because I'm sure it isn't but to say "the one others don't want" is wrong really, BMC's are just not as heavily marketed or available as Cannondale's.

bendertherobot

It's a bit like cars. So, for example, we've just bought a Peugeot, the nearest garages are 25 miles either side so, in my village we don't really see many, certainly outside the 208. Much the same with bikes, there aren't really many LBS in my part of Wales outside Cardiff and Swansea. Those that there are are Giant, Trek, or the real exotica. So I see very few Cannondale's round my parts and my garage has three of the buggers. At the end of the day, buy what fits and feels nice. If your mates turn up on the same bike well, then you know when you beat them to the top of the climb, it's all about you.

MisterMuncher

+1. When I first bought a 'dale, there was one dealer in Ireland, North and South. They're better distributed now, but locally they're still way less common than spesh, trek, giant or Ridley (oddly enough). You get pockets of these things

Bobbinogs

I live in an area where cycling is really popular (my local club can see up to 100 turn up on a Saturday...and there are 4 other popular clubs and several well stocked bike shops in the same town!). This all means that one can see pretty much any bike out frequently, with several of exactly the same model (let alone brand) on one club ride of 12/14 riders. I think it makes me less picky about the brand or the model as they pretty much all boil down to "bike" since the bloke who has just taken 30 seconds out of you on the last big climb was just riding a "bike" that may or may not be exactly the same as the one ridden by the bloke who everyone had to wait for at the top.
This is not to say that one gets all nonch about nice bikes, but I think one gets to see quite a few, want quite a few but have the right expectations about what they may bring (what price a smile, eh!).

Anonymous

To buy a specific brand just because its uncommon is plain weird IMO.
Same goes for cars, watches and anything really.

I tend to buy what I want.
Sometimes it will be v popular, and sometimes it will be very exclusive.
Whilst it may be nice to have something exclusive, I would not buy it primarily for that reason.

Its just a name on a frame as far as bikes go to a large extent.
Half the bike is made by someone else and a 4k cannonade is very different to a £999 one.

If you really don't want to see someone on the same bike, just buy a more expensive one.
Then change the wheels, saddle, stem, seatpost, tyres, inner tubes, bar tape, brake blocks

I rarely see anyone on same bike as me or wife. Even the cheaper ones.
Same brands sure, but not same models.

I don't really feel one brand is that much more popular (I probably see 1000's of bikes like Bobbinogs does though).
I really don't like people odd Specialized obsession, but even they are massively diluted in any gathering of bikes.

dstev55

Carbonator wrote:

To buy a specific brand just because its uncommon is plain weird IMO.
Same goes for cars, watches and anything really.

I tend to buy what I want.
Sometimes it will be v popular, and sometimes it will be very exclusive.
Whilst it may be nice to have something exclusive, I would not buy it primarily for that reason.

Its just a name on a frame as far as bikes go to a large extent.
Half the bike is made by someone else and a 4k cannonade is very different to a £999 one.

If you really don't want to see someone on the same bike, just buy a more expensive one.
Then change the wheels, saddle, stem, seatpost, tyres, inner tubes, bar tape, brake blocks

I rarely see anyone on same bike as me or wife. Even the cheaper ones.
Same brands sure, but not same models.

I don't really feel one brand is that much more popular (I probably see 1000's of bikes like Bobbinogs does though).
I really don't like people odd Specialized obsession, but even they are massively diluted in any gathering of bikes.

I buy what I want, and what I tend to want is something a bit different that you don't see every other Sunday on the local cafe run. Please accept that having something different is part of the attraction for some people.

robbo2011

Back to topic, The new Teammachine looks rather spiffing



http://www.bmc-switzerland.com/int-en/t ... lr01-disc/

davey.davey

Finally got my supersix Evo today, and I absolutely love it

So glad I went for this bike. So fast and responsive. Went on an 18 mile blast, so much fun. Over the moon with it. I went for the 105 version as I liked the Matt black colour better. Next job is to upgrade it to full ultegra :twisted:

Thanks for all the comments to help with the purchase

letap73

davey.davey wrote:

Finally got my supersix Evo today, and I absolutely love it

So glad I went for this bike. So fast and responsive. Went on an 18 mile blast, so much fun. Over the moon with it. I went for the 105 version as I liked the Matt black colour better. Next job is to upgrade it to full ultegra :twisted:

Thanks for all the comments to help with the purchase

Looking at tyres first and then wheels next would be a better upgrade then changing 105 to ultegra imho.

davey.davey

letap73 wrote:

davey.davey wrote:

Finally got my supersix Evo today, and I absolutely love it

So glad I went for this bike. So fast and responsive. Went on an 18 mile blast, so much fun. Over the moon with it. I went for the 105 version as I liked the Matt black colour better. Next job is to upgrade it to full ultegra :twisted:

Thanks for all the comments to help with the purchase

Looking at tyres first and then wheels next would be a better upgrade then changing 105 to ultegra imho.

I've been handed a nearly brand new full ultegra groupset and brakeset.

Wheels are being upgraded too after some research. What are some good tyres iyo?

dstev55

Most people will tell you Continental GP4000S ii however I'd recommend Schwalbe One's. I've not used the new version that has just been released but the old ones were superb so I can't see them being any different. Just make sure you get 25c size minimum.