Osborne and the Standard

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  • crispybug2
    crispybug2 Posts: 2,915
    crispybug2 wrote:
    crispybug2 wrote:
    I've read that this is Gideon's opening gambit towards becoming the next Mayor of London as his constituency is being abolished at the next general election

    Sounds plausible!

    Assuming that you are guilty only of ignorance you should know that the other people who call him Gideon do so to spread the world that he is Jewish. They do so to reaffirm their belief in an international Jewish conspiracy theory by letting you know how many Jews are in positions of power, particularly in finance.


    Awwww bless!

    It's such a shame to watch someone climb up on their high horse before checking what a f*cking long way down it is to fall before they come crashing back down to earth!!!

    Gideon is his birth name, a quick Wikipedia check could have put you right but I guess that that isn't in line with your paranoia is it?

    I am well aware of that. Do you call Boris Johnson by his first given name or the name by which he chose to be known? What about Paddy Ashdown, do you call him Jeremy?


    I have referred mockingly to Alexander in a previous post, I can't be arsed to look for it to be blunt, politicians are up for public ridicule in any way I see fit, if you don't like it I don't care but don't you dare try to label my post as anti semetic!!!
  • narbs
    narbs Posts: 593
    crispybug2 wrote:
    crispybug2 wrote:
    I've read that this is Gideon's opening gambit towards becoming the next Mayor of London as his constituency is being abolished at the next general election

    Sounds plausible!

    Assuming that you are guilty only of ignorance you should know that the other people who call him Gideon do so to spread the world that he is Jewish. They do so to reaffirm their belief in an international Jewish conspiracy theory by letting you know how many Jews are in positions of power, particularly in finance.


    Awwww bless!

    It's such a shame to watch someone climb up on their high horse before checking what a f*cking long way down it is to fall before they come crashing back down to earth!!!

    Gideon is his birth name, a quick Wikipedia check could have put you right but I guess that that isn't in line with your paranoia is it?

    I am well aware of that. Do you call Boris Johnson by his first given name or the name by which he chose to be known? What about Paddy Ashdown, do you call him Jeremy?

    Osborne maintains that he changed it because Gideon made him sound 'too posh'. It's fair game.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Dont get the hatred toward Osbourne, not saying much but he opposed having a referendum (so isnt as thick or as weak as Cameron) and is no where near in the same category as IDS or Boris.

    What do people think MP's do ? of course he can hold down a full time job and be an MP, in the same way TM or Hammond can, an MP does absolutely nothing of value what-so-ever for his/her constituents, so unless they are on some committee or a minister, they r pointless.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    I think that very much depends on your MP. Maybe in a safe seat they are less bothered, but my own experience in three of the constituencies I've lived in was very positive.
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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    rjsterry wrote:
    I think that very much depends on your MP. Maybe in a safe seat they are less bothered, but my own experience in three of the constituencies I've lived in was very positive.

    If TM can manage to be PM and handle the eu and brexit (however badly) yet still be a local MP, it proves my point..... we d do better with a cull.

    of course there are good and bad ones but what do they actually do? i mean vfm wise.
  • narbs
    narbs Posts: 593
    mamba80 wrote:
    Dont get the hatred toward Osbourne, not saying much but he opposed having a referendum (so isnt as thick or as weak as Cameron) and is no where near in the same category as IDS or Boris.

    What do people think MP's do ? of course he can hold down a full time job and be an MP, in the same way TM or Hammond can, an MP does absolutely nothing of value what-so-ever for his/her constituents, so unless they are on some committee or a minister, they r pointless.

    Great contribution. Clown.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Just looked around for what MPs do outside their MP job. A while ago in 2015 there was a survey of 108 MPs with second jobs. 80 tories and the rest Labour. Jobs include directorships, consultancy work, lawyers, GPs, farmers, one Tory dentist and media work

    The 3 biggest earners in order of most earnt in 2015 when the survey was are Gordon Brown, some Tory barrister qc and Galloway (among other jobs he had a regular tv slot for Iranian news channel).

    BTW the classic Tory reply is that you need to stop union jobs for Labour MPs if you stop directorships and consultancies for Tories. The truth is the unions are more smart than that, they don't hire them but they do pay for a lot of Labour MPs offices. How that benefits their union members I'll leave to you to guess or find out.

    Point is there's 650 MPs and I'd bet there's a lot working outside their MP job. It's in the current rules if they register it and meet a few other rules. If you don't like it well we get the politicians we deserve, suck it up or try to change the system. Whinging on here is pointless.

    PS how well off is Corbyn? Doesn't he live in a nice area of London? Won't be exactly on housing be been benefits neither. It's all a big cesspit afterall.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    narbs wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    Dont get the hatred toward Osbourne, not saying much but he opposed having a referendum (so isnt as thick or as weak as Cameron) and is no where near in the same category as IDS or Boris.

    What do people think MP's do ? of course he can hold down a full time job and be an MP, in the same way TM or Hammond can, an MP does absolutely nothing of value what-so-ever for his/her constituents, so unless they are on some committee or a minister, they r pointless.

    Great contribution. Clown.

    good counter argument, well put, i'll reflect on my views, are you an MP ?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    crispybug2 wrote:
    crispybug2 wrote:
    crispybug2 wrote:
    I've read that this is Gideon's opening gambit towards becoming the next Mayor of London as his constituency is being abolished at the next general election

    Sounds plausible!

    Assuming that you are guilty only of ignorance you should know that the other people who call him Gideon do so to spread the world that he is Jewish. They do so to reaffirm their belief in an international Jewish conspiracy theory by letting you know how many Jews are in positions of power, particularly in finance.


    Awwww bless!

    It's such a shame to watch someone climb up on their high horse before checking what a f*cking long way down it is to fall before they come crashing back down to earth!!!

    Gideon is his birth name, a quick Wikipedia check could have put you right but I guess that that isn't in line with your paranoia is it?

    I am well aware of that. Do you call Boris Johnson by his first given name or the name by which he chose to be known? What about Paddy Ashdown, do you call him Jeremy?


    I have referred mockingly to Alexander in a previous post, I can't be arsed to look for it to be blunt, politicians are up for public ridicule in any way I see fit, if you don't like it I don't care but don't you dare try to label my post as anti semetic!!!

    I never said your post was not-Semitic. I was just trying to be helpful and letting you know why it is so important to others.
  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    mamba80 wrote:
    narbs wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    Dont get the hatred toward Osbourne, not saying much but he opposed having a referendum (so isnt as thick or as weak as Cameron) and is no where near in the same category as IDS or Boris.

    What do people think MP's do ? of course he can hold down a full time job and be an MP, in the same way TM or Hammond can, an MP does absolutely nothing of value what-so-ever for his/her constituents, so unless they are on some committee or a minister, they r pointless.

    Great contribution. Clown.

    good counter argument, well put, i'll reflect on my views, are you an MP ?

    why do people who cant put together an argument resort to name calling? unless narbs is actually an MP lol??? are you?

    its a good point, if May and other government ministers can represent their seats and still be PM/ministers, then what are the rest doing?

    we need a better way to chose MP's and represent the UK public and fewer MPs would be a start.
  • narbs
    narbs Posts: 593
    Im more than happy to put together an argument - but not with someone who thinks 'an MP does nothing of value whatsoever'.

    So all MPs who aren't either a minister or on a committee achieve nothing? It's clearly a stupid statement.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    mamba80 wrote:
    narbs wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    Dont get the hatred toward Osbourne, not saying much but he opposed having a referendum (so isnt as thick or as weak as Cameron) and is no where near in the same category as IDS or Boris.

    What do people think MP's do ? of course he can hold down a full time job and be an MP, in the same way TM or Hammond can, an MP does absolutely nothing of value what-so-ever for his/her constituents, so unless they are on some committee or a minister, they r pointless.

    Great contribution. Clown.

    good counter argument, well put, i'll reflect on my views, are you an MP ?

    So, have you ever tried to contact your MP to discuss something that you want addressing? If you haven't, maybe you should try at least once, if only to confirm your prejudices.
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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    rjsterry wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    narbs wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    Dont get the hatred toward Osbourne, not saying much but he opposed having a referendum (so isnt as thick or as weak as Cameron) and is no where near in the same category as IDS or Boris.

    What do people think MP's do ? of course he can hold down a full time job and be an MP, in the same way TM or Hammond can, an MP does absolutely nothing of value what-so-ever for his/her constituents, so unless they are on some committee or a minister, they r pointless.

    Great contribution. Clown.

    good counter argument, well put, i'll reflect on my views, are you an MP ?

    So, have you ever tried to contact your MP to discuss something that you want addressing? If you haven't, maybe you should try at least once, if only to confirm your prejudices.

    yes Scott Mann, n. cornwall - over his pro brexit views, i got back a generic letter, some weeks later i challenged his response... no reply, he is currently campaigning to stop hospital closures, which are closing in any case due to staff shortages and of his course his parties austerity.. he is a mouth piece for his gov.
    a while back labour mp ben bradshaw, then health sec, over why i couldnt, despite waiting 2 years to get an nhs dentist for my then 6yo (a legal entitlement remember) he referred me to the the dental helpline.... oh yeah i hadnt contacted them before had i!!
    MPs expenses and their voting on pay rises, shows full well their priorities.

    Try writing to an MP who isnt your own one, the reply will be "your not one of their constituents so we wont be replying" even though that MP might well be chairing/on a committee you ve an interest in.

    the only MP i ve seen do some good is the mp for Rotherham, Sarah champion but i d argue that a: any well known figure could raise this issue and b: it should be the gov/police etc to first limit it and then prosecute etc.

    Given the amount of outside work the vast majority of MPs do, their roll is at the very best part time and also, by your argument, the job of PM etc should be full time, as surely TM cant represent her constituents and hold down the PM role....... she can because the MPs role is pointless - should be reformed and we need less of them via PR.

    The point about George Osbourne is that he will no doubt be a pia to TM over Brexit (no10 is reportedly outraged at his appt) and for me, that can only be good, my enemies enemy etc.

    Now circus insults aside, explain exactly why GO is getting this hate? he is doing no more than the majority of MPs so your responses are hypocritical and he was not the only one to hit on the poor, IDS for example - unless its jealousy at his earnings?
  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368
    mamba80 wrote:
    Given the amount of outside work the vast majority of MPs do, their roll is at the very best part time and also, by your argument, the job of PM etc should be full time, as surely TM cant represent her constituents and hold down the PM role....... she can because the MPs role is pointless - should be reformed and we need less of them via PR.

    The point about George Osbourne is that he will no doubt be a pia to TM over Brexit (no10 is reportedly outraged at his appt) and for me, that can only be good, my enemies enemy etc.

    Now circus insults aside, explain exactly why GO is getting this hate? he is doing no more than the majority of MPs so your responses are hypocritical and he was not the only one to hit on the poor, IDS for example - unless its jealousy at his earnings?

    well I dont agree that an MPs role is part time , but their hours are so far removed from most peoples 9 to 5, that its perfectly possible to combine the work of a back bench mp with another job if you are so inclinded and workaholic enough to do so, Osbourne after all spent nearly 5 years working 12 hour days, 7 days a week, and rarely seemed to take a holiday.

    not great for your work life balance, but its certainly doable

    but whether a sitting MP should have editorial control over a newspaper though is another debate, and Id say no they shouldnt as it becomes a conflict of interest on several points. The first and biggest being you fundamentally have an editor of a newspaper who now has a vote in parliament whenever matters of press regulation are debated, or when issues affecting the Standard or its competitors come before parliament.

    If he excuses himself from those votes, how does that serve his Tatton constiuents who he is meant to be representing on those matters, but if he engages in those votes how do we know those are the views of the constiuents he is promoting, or those of the newspaper owner he works for, fundamentally there isnt supposed to be political interference in the media and in cases of libel against the newspaper, the editor is the one who usually has to defend the decision to print in court, so will stories that uncover political scandal be more or less likely to appear in the Standard from now on. As you say will the Standard now attack the government Brexit position to promote Osbournes position on Remain outside of parliamentary censure, these arent questions you normally raise about the editorial line of a newspaper.

    and specifically in Osbournes case I dont think the retained interests of the Northern powerhouse, which is really about breaking up the Londoncentric hegemony align with a stated vow to promote Londoners views via the Standard, they again dont align with his Tatton constiuents. And the Standard does cover the city and finances, how does his 650,000 consultancy to a firm who the Standard will have to cover in the city pages or its competitors be seen as fair.

    so I dont think the question is really can you combine jobs as an MP in this case, its all the issues of conflict it creates from the multiple roles
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Osborne his name is Osborne
    The Standard is already very anti-Brexit
    I don't see the difference between editor and writer you are still beholden to the owner
    By definition nobody can do two full time jobs. editor of the Standard is a full time job so he is either not doing his job properly as an MP or it is not a full time job
  • motogull
    motogull Posts: 325
    The ES is shite anyway.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,801
    Motogull wrote:
    The ES is shite anyway.
    You get what you pay for...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • motogull
    motogull Posts: 325
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Motogull wrote:
    The ES is shite anyway.
    You get what you pay for...

    I have no idea why anyone picks it up.
  • secretsam
    secretsam Posts: 5,120
    Assuming that you are guilty only of ignorance you should know that the other people who call him Gideon do so to spread the world that he is Jewish. They do so to reaffirm their belief in an international Jewish conspiracy theory by letting you know how many Jews are in positions of power, particularly in finance.

    Frankly, bollocks, and that's bl00dy insulting accusing us of anti-Semitism. Gideon allows his name to be changed to Gidiot, which is amusing. Fuck all to do with Judaism.

    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    He's not accusing you guys of that - merely highlighting that's why some people do call him that.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,801
    Motogull wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Motogull wrote:
    The ES is shite anyway.
    You get what you pay for...

    I have no idea why anyone picks it up.
    Its free and its something to look at on the train. Would never pay for it.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,996
    He's not accusing you guys of that - merely highlighting that's why some people do call him that.

    Can't believe that I'm agreeing with Rick. :?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    mamba80 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    narbs wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    Dont get the hatred toward Osbourne, not saying much but he opposed having a referendum (so isnt as thick or as weak as Cameron) and is no where near in the same category as IDS or Boris.

    What do people think MP's do ? of course he can hold down a full time job and be an MP, in the same way TM or Hammond can, an MP does absolutely nothing of value what-so-ever for his/her constituents, so unless they are on some committee or a minister, they r pointless.

    Great contribution. Clown.

    good counter argument, well put, i'll reflect on my views, are you an MP ?

    So, have you ever tried to contact your MP to discuss something that you want addressing? If you haven't, maybe you should try at least once, if only to confirm your prejudices.

    yes Scott Mann, n. cornwall - over his pro brexit views, i got back a generic letter, some weeks later i challenged his response... no reply, he is currently campaigning to stop hospital closures, which are closing in any case due to staff shortages and of his course his parties austerity.. he is a mouth piece for his gov.
    a while back labour mp ben bradshaw, then health sec, over why i couldnt, despite waiting 2 years to get an nhs dentist for my then 6yo (a legal entitlement remember) he referred me to the the dental helpline.... oh yeah i hadnt contacted them before had i!!
    MPs expenses and their voting on pay rises, shows full well their priorities.

    The last vote on MPs pay was in July 2015. The rise coincided with a reduction in expenses allowances, so no net increase in remuneration. If you wanted to get rich, there are much better ways of doing it.

    Having looked at Scott Mann's website, he's obviously very pro-Brexit. Like you I disagree with his views on that subject, but he could hardly be said not to be representing the views of the majority of his constituency.

    I don't know. Maybe he isn't a great MP, but as I say, my experience is very different. As for the vast majority having second jobs, the most recent figure I have found (2014) is 180 out of 650. On average constituency and parliamentary work takes up 70 hrs a week, so you need to be quite a workaholic to fit in something else on top.

    https://www.parliament.uk/business/publ ... cond-jobs/
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    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Motogull wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Motogull wrote:
    The ES is shite anyway.
    You get what you pay for...

    I have no idea why anyone picks it up.

    You don't enjoy that Diary of an Estate Agent column thing?
    Faster than a tent.......
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rjsterry wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    narbs wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    Dont get the hatred toward Osbourne, not saying much but he opposed having a referendum (so isnt as thick or as weak as Cameron) and is no where near in the same category as IDS or Boris.

    What do people think MP's do ? of course he can hold down a full time job and be an MP, in the same way TM or Hammond can, an MP does absolutely nothing of value what-so-ever for his/her constituents, so unless they are on some committee or a minister, they r pointless.

    Great contribution. Clown.

    good counter argument, well put, i'll reflect on my views, are you an MP ?

    So, have you ever tried to contact your MP to discuss something that you want addressing? If you haven't, maybe you should try at least once, if only to confirm your prejudices.

    yes Scott Mann, n. cornwall - over his pro brexit views, i got back a generic letter, some weeks later i challenged his response... no reply, he is currently campaigning to stop hospital closures, which are closing in any case due to staff shortages and of his course his parties austerity.. he is a mouth piece for his gov.
    a while back labour mp ben bradshaw, then health sec, over why i couldnt, despite waiting 2 years to get an nhs dentist for my then 6yo (a legal entitlement remember) he referred me to the the dental helpline.... oh yeah i hadnt contacted them before had i!!
    MPs expenses and their voting on pay rises, shows full well their priorities.

    The last vote on MPs pay was in July 2015. The rise coincided with a reduction in expenses allowances, so no net increase in remuneration. If you wanted to get rich, there are much better ways of doing it.

    Having looked at Scott Mann's website, he's obviously very pro-Brexit. Like you I disagree with his views on that subject, but he could hardly be said not to be representing the views of the majority of his constituency.

    I don't know. Maybe he isn't a great MP, but as I say, my experience is very different. As for the vast majority having second jobs, the most recent figure I have found (2014) is 180 out of 650. On average constituency and parliamentary work takes up 70 hrs a week, so you need to be quite a workaholic to fit in something else on top.

    https://www.parliament.uk/business/publ ... cond-jobs/

    That leaves Osborne 100 hours a week to eat, sleep, travel and edit the Standard
  • dinyull
    dinyull Posts: 2,979
    mamba80 wrote:
    Dont get the hatred toward Osbourne, not saying much but he opposed having a referendum (so isnt as thick or as weak as Cameron) and is no where near in the same category as IDS or Boris.

    What do people think MP's do ? of course he can hold down a full time job and be an MP, in the same way TM or Hammond can, an MP does absolutely nothing of value what-so-ever for his/her constituents, so unless they are on some committee or a minister, they r pointless.

    Him having 2, 3 or 4 high earning jobs is a moot point to me because, as pointed out elsewhere he can fit them in if he's willing to work the hours.

    The hatred I have for the man is that his decisions have really hit the poor/vulnerable hardest, whilst easing some things for the top earners. He preached austerity, saying we're all in it together whilst being able to click his fingers getting over £300k for a handful of speeches, £650k p/a from Blackrock, £75k p/a for MP. The NHS crisis he helped create will never cross his eyes as he'll have access to the best private care available.

    He will never have 9 months where: 3 months his pay was late, 3 months his pay didn't arrive and 3 months being interrogated on the dole all thanks to his govt cuts.

    Bedroom tax and universal income sanctions introduced, foodbank usage hitting new highs all under his watch. And before someone says "well it's all down to Labour for the crash" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6975536.stm

    No doubt someone will pick apart this and tell me I'm wrong, but I will always believe the man is despicable.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    I don't understand how he squares the conflict of interest between advising Blackrock and editing the Standard.

    His constituents knew what they were electing.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    His constituents knew what they were electing.
    A Tory! :D
  • motogull
    motogull Posts: 325
    Rolf F wrote:
    Motogull wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Motogull wrote:
    The ES is shite anyway.
    You get what you pay for...

    I have no idea why anyone picks it up.

    You don't enjoy that Diary of an Estate Agent column thing?

    I don't know what that is. I'm only an occasional traveller to London. Back when you paid for it, there seemed to news in it. More recently, its been too 'columny' for my liking. Not even the sports pages are what they were. Maybe I've missed the transition and I'm being to harsh.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Dinyull wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    Dont get the hatred toward Osbourne, not saying much but he opposed having a referendum (so isnt as thick or as weak as Cameron) and is no where near in the same category as IDS or Boris.

    What do people think MP's do ? of course he can hold down a full time job and be an MP, in the same way TM or Hammond can, an MP does absolutely nothing of value what-so-ever for his/her constituents, so unless they are on some committee or a minister, they r pointless.

    Him having 2, 3 or 4 high earning jobs is a moot point to me because, as pointed out elsewhere he can fit them in if he's willing to work the hours.

    The hatred I have for the man is that his decisions have really hit the poor/vulnerable hardest, whilst easing some things for the top earners. He preached austerity, saying we're all in it together whilst being able to click his fingers getting over £300k for a handful of speeches, £650k p/a from Blackrock, £75k p/a for MP. The NHS crisis he helped create will never cross his eyes as he'll have access to the best private care available.

    He will never have 9 months where: 3 months his pay was late, 3 months his pay didn't arrive and 3 months being interrogated on the dole all thanks to his govt cuts.

    Bedroom tax and universal income sanctions introduced, foodbank usage hitting new highs all under his watch. And before someone says "well it's all down to Labour for the crash" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6975536.stm

    No doubt someone will pick apart this and tell me I'm wrong, but I will always believe the man is despicable.

    My point with GO is that he did not act alone, he had full support from May, IDS, Hunt and all the others - i detest all recent Tory Governments but none more than Cameron and his gov, that idiot has no doubt ensured that austerity and staff shortages will hit the NHS etc for years to come, costing lives and causing untold stress.

    for all GO despicable behaviour, he didnt want an EU vote, so he has one redeeming feature.

    His money grabbing antics is no worse than many former Gov ministers.