another Campagnolo rant of mine

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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    Shame for you ugo but i think that was bad luck more than poor quality, I've had only one shifter lever break and that was xenon 10 speed and because i allowed the front mech to rust solid then kept forcing shifts

    Fwiw i have 10 speed centaur UT on two bikes and i love it especially the rear mechs shame I've destroyed one in multiple crashes. You cannot buy that stuff NOS for love nor money
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    itboffin wrote:
    Shame for you ugo but i think that was bad luck more than poor quality, I've had only one shifter lever break and that was xenon 10 speed and because i allowed the front mech to rust solid then kept forcing shifts

    Fwiw i have 10 speed centaur UT on two bikes and i love it especially the rear mechs shame I've destroyed one in multiple crashes. You cannot buy that stuff NOS for love nor money

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NIB-CAMPAGNOL ... NQ-9HBR30g

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Campagnolo-Ce ... SwtfhYrvwi

    ...with the little alloy lever:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Campagnolo-Ce ... SwSlBYsX6r
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    I have the super rare carbon new style UT 10 speed with is identical to the 11s chorus shifters
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    edited February 2017
    itboffin wrote:
    I have the super rare carbon new style UT 10 speed with is identical to the 11s chorus shifters

    Like this?

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAMPAGNOLO-CE ... SwNSxVAFLd

    Or this?

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Campagnolo-Ce ... SwH3NXm1NU

    Here's a bundle:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-Vintage-Cam ... SwTuJYrcQr
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    Yep that first one is what i had but sold for £100 in compact as well, duh
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    ...but it isn't 'super rare'.
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    Right anyone seen these shifters? Ugo is this what you have?

    https://twitter.com/itb0ffin/status/836696948107280385
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    Pinno wrote:
    ...but it isn't 'super rare'.

    Shifters fella shifters :wink:

    Clue was in the post
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    itboffin wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    ...but it isn't 'super rare'.

    Shifters fella shifters :wink:

    Clue was in the post

    Okay okay:

    I posted this. They are in there, no?:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-Vintage-Cam ... rmvSB=true
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    Have you extracted yourself form Belgium yet?
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    Sadly not, I've been hunting another pair of these for years I'm beginning to think only Rolf and i have them, they're fecking awesome up three down five in one press I believe or something similar
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    Back on topic for a bit i was looking for replacement parts and one of only three hits was mr clinic own, I really think campagnolo are going to kill themselves if they dont make sourcing spares easier, for god sake sell them themselves
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    Post me a pic of them please.

    My Record 10 and 11 have a similar multi gear change. So what is so special about these levers?
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  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    They where made for one year I think with the modern hood shape. ultra shift veloce and centaur shifter are quite nice. my wife bikes (one of them) has veloce ultra shift ergo's.

    Record 10 speed has the same thing but on the old hood shape.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    edited February 2017
    They're centaur carbon UT new shape but seem to have had a really limited run, shift like modern record+ but robust like old skool campag

    Trump could even call them "fake" campagnolo
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    I do remember my old Athena which were the previous years Centaur(?) (identical) in 98. I bought the titanium Record, cassette, rear mech, fr mech, levers and hubs in a bin lot with a pair of Athena carbon levers (it was only part carbon). The levers were sold 11 years later but still working perfectly. In fact, they got better over time. They were stiff and slightly clunky to start with and just got smoother and smoother.
    But as I have said before, my QS R10's on my winter bike are a much better feel than the Record 11, to the extent that I would be very tempted to sell the whole caboodle 11 speed and buy a NOS record 10. I don't think that the outlay would be much after sales, plus i'd have a new gruppo to keep me going until the options run out...

    The only issue is wheel compatibility.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    Here are those levers:

    8012891005_1df29ef151_z.jpg
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    Love those as well, basically campagnolo is best

    Ugo repair your shifter and carry on
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    itboffin wrote:
    Love those as well, basically campagnolo is best.

    Sadly true.

    If we're going to reminisce, remember that massive chorus groupset, late 80's?

    s-l400.jpg

    ...and the stunning Victory levers with engraved 'Campagnolo' and those fluted alloy seat posts.

    I polished a set of cranks once:

    9717682735_6e19542553_z.jpg
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    i have those cranks on my winter commuter and gave another set to a mate for his single speed
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • This 10sp love-in makes me thing of some of the spares I've hoarded over the years, including the Record 10sp alloy chainset (BNIB) that I bought to have spare OEM chainrings. Recall Boonen favouring those over the carbon replacements.

    Also decommissioned my Bianchi Mega Pro XL Carbon a year ago, and the 10sp Centaur g/set (7k miles).
  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    Pinno wrote:
    Here are those levers:

    8012891005_1df29ef151_z.jpg

    Loving that Pinarello! Reminds me of a Coppi Repparto Corse I used to own.
  • mamil314
    mamil314 Posts: 1,103
    Is it not commonly accepted sense that very top groupsets are not designed for durability and, in essence, just need to last a day. In my opinion, Chorus is top groupset for consumers who would not change parts for extended duration.

    As to 10sp SR durability, it is fairly recent but unfortunate tendency for most manufacturers of technology to introduce fragility - apart for heavy duty industrial and military systems. Producing high quality, well engineered, long lasting consumer equipment is just bad for business.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    Shortfall wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    Here are those levers:

    8012891005_1df29ef151_z.jpg

    Loving that Pinarello! Reminds me of a Coppi Repparto Corse I used to own.

    The frame is all lonely, bare and spare and possibly going if someone is interested.


    I'm not sure there is built in obsolescence. I think that we live in a time of disposable materials and short termism.
    As a percentage of one's disposable income in the 70's and 80's, a Campag gruppo was very expensive and so you would expect it to last. Now you get frequent threads where beginners have £500 and more to spend on a first bike!! I only dreamed of those (relative) amounts and was restricted to the constant cycle of upgrading and slowly getting what I wanted. If you have £750, you can get a carbon Ribble with a lower end Shimano Gruppo.
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  • cq20
    cq20 Posts: 207
    I have (or rather had) the worst of BB combinations - BB30 with Power Torque so when I got a new bike last month my intention was to keep its BB86 with 105 but switch over all of my other Athena stuff. In the end I kept all of the 105 and have said a goodbye to a decades long relationship with Campag (not quite true - I kept my Chorus 12-29 rear wheel which works fine with Shimano 105 / 5800).

    So far I'm not regretting it but the ease of fitting, availability, low cost etc of Shimano is difficult to ignore even if I still prefer the Campag levers.
  • Alex99
    Alex99 Posts: 1,407
    mamil314 wrote:
    Is it not commonly accepted sense that very top groupsets are not designed for durability and, in essence, just need to last a day. In my opinion, Chorus is top groupset for consumers who would not change parts for extended duration.

    As to 10sp SR durability, it is fairly recent but unfortunate tendency for most manufacturers of technology to introduce fragility - apart for heavy duty industrial and military systems. Producing high quality, well engineered, long lasting consumer equipment is just bad for business.

    Capitalism should keep it roughly in check. If things get too bad then there will be a viable business case for a 'Hawk' company to enter with a different model.
  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    this thread had me rummaging through my parts bin, i could build up a bike it would seem from NOS campag

    :-)
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    itboffin wrote:
    this thread had me rummaging through my parts bin, i could build up a bike it would seem from NOS campag

    :-)

    Do it, do it, do it - and then send some posts of you at L'Eroica.
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  • itboffin
    itboffin Posts: 20,072
    Thats on the list
    Rule #5 // Harden The Feck Up.
    Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
    Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
    Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
  • bondurant
    bondurant Posts: 858
    My 10 speed Centaur (circa 2005) LHS ergo lever on my winter bike is starting to behave a bit oddly. Yet to investigate fully but perhaps the cables and outers need replacing and the rear derailleur a deep clean to reduce friction in the system. Only 10.5k miles, so hopefully not worn out. Have noted the rebuild services available - thanks.

    What do folk do when your Campag chainrings wear out? I appreciate that the chainrings should outlast several casettes, but it's a winter bike and on a couple of occasions I've let the chain stretch way beyond the limit before noticing, by which the time chainrings are semi-cooked. Last time (after about 7500 miles), I initially sourced non OEM rings (Stronglight or TA, I can't recall), but the shifting was dreadful. Massive overshifts required when going up the rings, then corrective downward clicks thereafter. So I bit the bullet and got a whole new chainset. Nowadays, 10sp triple campag square taper chainsets are quite rare.

    Because of all this, I do have one eye on a replacement groupset. Most of my good bikes have either 10sp Record or 11 speed Chorus (i.e. square taper or Ultratorque). As it's a winter bike, I would be looking at a mid-range triple, which leaves only one choice: Potenza. Is Powertorque really that bad? I do all my own spannering work, but would really baulk at the propsect of paying silly money for bespoke bearing pullers. I've cobbled lots of presses togther from laser cut washers and nuts and bolts, but pullers are another matter entirely. Hmmm...

    I think that the system was improved with Potenza, so that no expensive tool is needed. So I wouldn't discount Potenza until you have checked this.