I've never understood why we tax vehicles on carbon emissions alone when it's obvious that diesels are polluting all sorts of things.
'cos it's easy to measure and administer. That's IMO the only reason. Might as well just get rid of car tax altogether and increase the duty on fuel slightly and thereby charge people for usage, not ownership.
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why doesnt they allow all taxis through London on the proviso they all switch to electric or hybrid running electric in town, problem solved no?
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There won't be anymore diesel cabs licensed from 2018 but the existing ones will be grandfathered in for (I think) 15 years...
It's ridiculous that the current stinkers are allowed that long, but I'd bet in 15 years there won't be a black cab industry any longer. Electric & automated vehicles, especially in the new form-factors they allow, will leave black cabs with the same role horse-drawn carriages have today.
I get to breath the finest smog on my commute... This stuff you can really taste...
Pollution along the river lea.
problem is people take photos like that and then think its just an atmospheric mist, rather than pollution, all last week people were posting these red sky sunset images and tweeting how great the sky looked and you are sitting there thinking yeah it looks nice but its actually a big sign of alot of pollution in the atmosphere.
Then there's no meaningful disincentive to buy a vehicle that has poor emissions.
Of course there is - you pay for every litre of fuel you burn. Your vehicle burns more (either because you took it to congested town or because you bought an inefficient one) then you pay more for the fuel. Might be buttons at 1-2p per litre but whack it up to 50p per litre and it soon hits home.
Anyway what about the case now if you have (say) a Prius and rev the tits off it and do 20mpg or less - you still pay the VED based on it being a low emission hybrid despite your particular case being a high emitter... That would be caught by taxing the fuel more highly.
I see Westminster are going to trial an extra 50% premium on parking charges for diesels around Marylebone. Also Hackney are banning parking by all except electric vehicles in some areas. Dare I think this might be the start of actually making a dent in this?
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Dare I think this might be the start of actually making a dent in this?
Hope you're right!
At first I was frustrated that there were these alerts and no action, but maybe Khan's plan is to 'denormalise' the pollution first before introducing changes, such as banning/taxing diesel vehicles and woodstoves, or extending the CGZ, all of which would obviously be opposed.
seems the taxi company is already one step ahead and spending 400 million developing electric cabs, nice! now all they need is driverless cabs
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Dare I think this might be the start of actually making a dent in this?
Hope you're right!
At first I was frustrated that there were these alerts and no action, but maybe Khan's plan is to 'denormalise' the pollution first before introducing changes, such as banning/taxing diesel vehicles and woodstoves, or extending the CGZ, all of which would obviously be opposed.
Fingers crossed. I've 'rediscovered' my childhood asthma symptoms after nearly 30 years thanks to London air. As another indicator, our office on Farringdon Road has a mechanical ventilation system: we are having to replace the filters more frequently than recommended as they are becoming completely clogged and causing the system to shut down.
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seems the taxi company is already one step ahead and spending 400 million developing electric cabs, nice! now all they need is driverless cabs
Yes but all those cvunts with the knowledge have 15 years to change their cabs, so we're still running them after other Europeans would have banned diesels completely.
My local MP has been lobbying for more free parking in high streets, quite the opposite to Rjsterry's good news.
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seems the taxi company is already one step ahead and spending 400 million developing electric cabs, nice! now all they need is driverless cabs
Yes but all those cvunts with the knowledge have 15 years to change their cabs, so we're still running them after other Europeans would have banned diesels completely.
My local MP has been lobbying for more free parking in high streets, quite the opposite to Rjsterry's good news.
If only electric ones were allowed to use bus lanes they'd change quick enough.
A lot of people with diesel's get the DPF removed as it can create other problems, especially if used on short runs in town. considering it is their to remove soot particles from the exhaust you can imagine the effect removing it has. If they started prosecuting the places that remove them it might help. https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -transport
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This really makes me want to get out of London...
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Never had it before. Thought it was the uber cold air, but this could be a contributing factor also.
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http://www.thelocal.no/20170116/oslo-to-implement-temporary-ban-on-diesel-vehicles
Except the ban doesn't apply to delivery vehicles, HGVs, buses, or, apparently, council vehicles.
Probably exempt black cabs in London too, in order to make it completely pointless.
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'cos it's easy to measure and administer. That's IMO the only reason. Might as well just get rid of car tax altogether and increase the duty on fuel slightly and thereby charge people for usage, not ownership.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
There won't be anymore diesel cabs licensed from 2018 but the existing ones will be grandfathered in for (I think) 15 years...
It's ridiculous that the current stinkers are allowed that long, but I'd bet in 15 years there won't be a black cab industry any longer. Electric & automated vehicles, especially in the new form-factors they allow, will leave black cabs with the same role horse-drawn carriages have today.
I get to breath the finest smog on my commute... This stuff you can really taste...
Pollution along the river lea.
problem is people take photos like that and then think its just an atmospheric mist, rather than pollution, all last week people were posting these red sky sunset images and tweeting how great the sky looked and you are sitting there thinking yeah it looks nice but its actually a big sign of alot of pollution in the atmosphere.
Have to say, I took it very easy on both rides and felt a real heaviness in my chest in bed last night.
Then there's no meaningful disincentive to buy a vehicle that has poor emissions.
Anyway what about the case now if you have (say) a Prius and rev the tits off it and do 20mpg or less - you still pay the VED based on it being a low emission hybrid despite your particular case being a high emitter... That would be caught by taxing the fuel more highly.
Is it the same advice today? I was going to go for a run in Hyde Park at lunchtime.
Yes.
FWIW my wife had her first asthma attack in over a decade yesterday, walking home from the tube.
Thanks - took it easy when I had to be on roads and didn't go to Hyde Park but in Hammersmith could taste it.
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At first I was frustrated that there were these alerts and no action, but maybe Khan's plan is to 'denormalise' the pollution first before introducing changes, such as banning/taxing diesel vehicles and woodstoves, or extending the CGZ, all of which would obviously be opposed.
Rule #9 // If you are out riding in bad weather, it means you are a badass. Period.
Rule #12 // The correct number of bikes to own is n+1.
Rule #42 // A bike race shall never be preceded with a swim and/or followed by a run.
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Something useful on the topic.
Yes but all those cvunts with the knowledge have 15 years to change their cabs, so we're still running them after other Europeans would have banned diesels completely.
My local MP has been lobbying for more free parking in high streets, quite the opposite to Rjsterry's good news.
If only electric ones were allowed to use bus lanes they'd change quick enough.
Some good news.
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -transport
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