Recommend me a bad weather Jersey/Jacket

ryan_w-2

Bought a Rapha Pro Team Soft Shell the other week.

Has been very good and keeping me dry, seriously, so good.

Currently £150 down from £200 in the Rapha sale.

I'm 6ft with a 42" chest and went for a large. Great fit.

daniel_b

I am 99% sure (but happy to be re-educated) that the SS Perfetto bares no relation to any iteration of Gabba.

Btr knows the whole family relationship iirc.

hsiaolc

Ryan_W wrote:

Bought a Rapha Pro Team Soft Shell the other week.

Has been very good and keeping me dry, seriously, so good.

Currently £150 down from £200 in the Rapha sale.

I'm 6ft with a 42" chest and went for a large. Great fit.

I have been eyeing it. Can get Perfetto for £130.

Compared to the Gabba? Better? Have you tried or used the Gabba?

ryan_w-2

I had a Gabba 2 which was great but I didn't find it lasted very well commuting with a backpack daily.

I would 100% buy the new Gabba (whatever its called), but glad I got the Rapha. It looks better IMO as well.

flasher

Rapha Pro Team

hsiaolc

Daniel B wrote:

hsiaolc wrote:

http://www.sigmasport.co.uk/item/Castelli/Perfetto-Long-Sleeve-Jersey/EFRR

Plus another £10 off. Not bad deal!

Well if anyone is considering that in black for £130, you would be better off getting this for £100 plus tcb cash back.

Merlin Cycles wrote:

Castelli Sidi Dino 3 LS Cycling Jacket - Same as Castelli Gabba Long Sleeve Jacket

https://www.merlincycles.com/castelli-sidi-dino-3-ls-cycling-jacket-98116.html


I actually like the fact it's not obviously a Gabba, not that I would be likely to buy an item like that in a dark colour.
Bonus if you happen to be into your Sidis too 8)

Apparently the tech happened because nenoflex tech was not ready at that time. So we can assume that nanaflex is better than the Gore active X.

Mad_Malx

Fenix wrote:

I'm sure Bender will be along soon with his website and reviews - but check this baby out. It's now my goto winter jacket.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-aeron-full- ... softshell/

Best clothing purchase I have made.

mac9091

I have the Galibier foul weather and only worn it a couple of times due to being too hot to wear it. (Granted the lowest i have been out in is about 5oC for various reason)

The site does state that its not fully waterproof and i've not had a chance to test how waterproof it is. So if your after a fully waterproof one then this probably isn't the one, if you want a jacket thats great value and don't intentionally go out for 2+ hour rides in the constant rain then this may be a good option.

scott_w1987

bendertherobot wrote:

JesseD wrote:

But even then I'd probably just get the dhb rain defence ls http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-aeron-rain- ... ve-jersey/

Have you used one Bender?

At £90 with the wiggle discount it's a bargain! How does it compare to a mossa in the cold?

At the minute I only use a medium mossa for all my winter riding(base layer and gilet adjusted to suit temps), so it gets washed a lot and I could really do with a second soft shell jacket.

xixang

I'd personally recommend an alpha jacket for slower rides or really cold (for me below about 5deg) or alpha jersey or rapha pt jacket if 5-10deg. I find all three pretty good at resisting rain. With regard to gabba; had one (l/s) and got shut. Never found it particularly warm on fast training rides and worse for leisurely rides and waterproofing never lived up to the hype.

Just goes to show we all have different experiences

bendertherobot

Bikes`n`guns wrote:

Ok I`ll try and simplify and if I`m wrong I`m open to correction.

Perfetto s/s Nice top, not waterproof (used to be Gabba)
Perfetto l/s As above
Perfetto convertible Thicker material and waterproof (In my experience) Superb top and worth having , even at £200

No. The gabba remains the gabba in ss. The perfetto ss is a different product from the ss gabba and other perfetto

The ls perfetto is a ls gabba. The convertible is identical to it but has zip off arms. Clearly there will be a small double layer on those arms

Edit: did that on the tablet, so let me expand:

https://roubaixcycling.cc/2016/05/05/ca ... e-perfect/

That's the true Perfetto, the one they released before they arsed around with all the names. It's different to any Gabba that came before.

So there are now two SS versions, a Gabba (2) and a Perfetto. The latter is designed for milder weather. Lighter overall, lighter back.

The Perfetto vest is what the Fawesome was. The Perfetto LS is the old long sleeve Gabba, the Perfetto convertible the old long sleeve Gabba convertible.

So you now have the situation where there is a LS and SS Perfetto and they are different products. Way to go Castelli

bendertherobot

scott_w1987 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

JesseD wrote:

But even then I'd probably just get the dhb rain defence ls http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-aeron-rain- ... ve-jersey/

Have you used one Bender?

At £90 with the wiggle discount it's a bargain! How does it compare to a mossa in the cold?

At the minute I only use a medium mossa for all my winter riding(base layer and gilet adjusted to suit temps), so it gets washed a lot and I could really do with a second soft shell jacket.

I'll order! And feed back.

letap73

bendertherobot wrote:

scott_w1987 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

JesseD wrote:

But even then I'd probably just get the dhb rain defence ls http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-aeron-rain- ... ve-jersey/

Have you used one Bender?

At £90 with the wiggle discount it's a bargain! How does it compare to a mossa in the cold?

At the minute I only use a medium mossa for all my winter riding(base layer and gilet adjusted to suit temps), so it gets washed a lot and I could really do with a second soft shell jacket.

I'll order! And feed back.

There is this - which BTR has already reviewed very favourably:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lusso-AQUA-RE ... SwB09YSq60

bendertherobot

Good that is. Really good. More of a really cold bad weather jacket though. Wouldn't wear it above say 8 degrees or so.

apreading

bendertherobot wrote:

Bikes`n`guns wrote:

Ok I`ll try and simplify and if I`m wrong I`m open to correction.

Perfetto s/s Nice top, not waterproof (used to be Gabba)
Perfetto l/s As above
Perfetto convertible Thicker material and waterproof (In my experience) Superb top and worth having , even at £200

No. The gabba remains the gabba in ss. The perfetto ss is a different product from the ss gabba and other perfetto

The ls perfetto is a ls gabba. The convertible is identical to it but has zip off arms. Clearly there will be a small double layer on those arms

Edit: did that on the tablet, so let me expand:

https://roubaixcycling.cc/2016/05/05/ca ... e-perfect/

That's the true Perfetto, the one they released before they arsed around with all the names. It's different to any Gabba that came before.

So there are now two SS versions, a Gabba (2) and a Perfetto. The latter is designed for milder weather. Lighter overall, lighter back.

The Perfetto vest is what the Fawesome was. The Perfetto LS is the old long sleeve Gabba, the Perfetto convertible the old long sleeve Gabba convertible.

So you now have the situation where there is a LS and SS Perfetto and they are different products. Way to go Castelli

Whilst what Bender says is spot on - I suspect that if anyone is confused by it then the explanation may not fix that situation. A simpler way to put it is:

Gabba S/S - the original Gabba 2 (with flap over zip) - thick fabric but not fully waterproof
Perfetto S/S - new garment, much thinner, more like a S/S version of the Alpha Jersey without the inner insulation on the front - supposedly not much less waterproof but not as warm as Gabba.
Perfetto L/S - the old Gabba 2 L/S
Perfetto Convertible - the old Gabba 2 Convertible
Perfetto Vest - the old Fawesome gilet

They really messed up with the renaming - it will create huge confusion and I think will cost them sales.

I really rate the Gabba material - it has taken most of the weather I have thrown at it, but I run hot so usually find I get wet from sweat coming from the inside. Always been warm though. I dont see the point of the L/s - might as well get the Convertible and have both L/S and S/S in one - I usually wear mine without the arms to have some extra cooling unless I really need them but when I do need them they are much better than using arm warmers.

The Perfetto S/S helps my issue with the Gabba in that I sweat less but actually in conditions where I could use it, I am far more likely to wear my Fawesome because it keeps me even cooler.

The Alpha Jersey has actually pushed my Gabbas out of use at the moment because I dont sweat so much in it - its really good but I havent tested its ability to resist rain properly yet.

hsiaolc

I will try the alpha this week. I found out there is the Alpha windproof for much less.

I will also try the DHB aron.

At this rate I am back to square one with the DHB s instead of all the rapha, castelli that I have because I am already only wearing DHB shorts and leggings

apreading

There is nothing wrong with DHB - its good stuff.

Just bear in mind with the Alpha that there is an Alpha Jersey and Alpha Jacket - one much warmer than the other. I like the jersey but thats because I run hot. I can go down the zero with the jersey and the right base layers. Below that I have a Mortirolo which is also great but only gets used a handful of times each year.

jason78

Just an observation but why hasn't anyone suggested Assos !!! winter jacket and jerseys i find are awesome but thats just my opinion.

bikes`n`guns

bendertherobot wrote:

Bikes`n`guns wrote:

Ok I`ll try and simplify and if I`m wrong I`m open to correction.

Perfetto s/s Nice top, not waterproof (used to be Gabba)
Perfetto l/s As above
Perfetto convertible Thicker material and waterproof (In my experience) Superb top and worth having , even at £200

No. The gabba remains the gabba in ss. The perfetto ss is a different product from the ss gabba and other perfetto

The ls perfetto is a ls gabba. The convertible is identical to it but has zip off arms. Clearly there will be a small double layer on those arms

Edit: did that on the tablet, so let me expand:

https://roubaixcycling.cc/2016/05/05/ca ... e-perfect/

That's the true Perfetto, the one they released before they arsed around with all the names. It's different to any Gabba that came before.

So there are now two SS versions, a Gabba (2) and a Perfetto. The latter is designed for milder weather. Lighter overall, lighter back.

The Perfetto vest is what the Fawesome was. The Perfetto LS is the old long sleeve Gabba, the Perfetto convertible the old long sleeve Gabba convertible.

So you now have the situation where there is a LS and SS Perfetto and they are different products. Way to go Castelli

My heed hurts !

I stand corrected, but I still think it`s an awsome top, even if they have made an arse of the names.

keef66

"They really messed up with the renaming - it will create huge confusion and I think will cost them sales"

This is true in my case; I'm genuinely left in the situation where I daren't order any of them for fear of getting the wrong thing...

hsiaolc

Yep I am still confused. I just want to buy another Gabba 2 to go with the 2 that I already got!

bendertherobot

I'm not sure why anyone is confused.

As long as you're not buying a short sleeve then you are buying a Gabba. It's just that it's now called the Perfetto.

If you're buying a short sleeve then there's the Gabba and the Perfetto. The Gabba is for colder days, the Perfetto for less cold ones.

JesseD

bendertherobot wrote:

I'm not sure why anyone is confused.

As long as you're not buying a short sleeve then you are buying a Gabba. It's just that it's now called the Perfetto.

If you're buying a short sleeve then there's the Gabba and the Perfetto. The Gabba is for colder days, the Perfetto for less cold ones.

Jez, this is all very confusing from our italian cousins, so if I buy a long sleeved Castelli Perfetto then its waterproof, not full waterproof like a Castelli Riparo or a Tempesta, however will be pretty shower proof and more breathable, plus cheaper?

bendertherobot

I'm not sure that's really intended to confuse. They are rain jackets, intended to be waterproof. The Gabba/Perfetto are foul weather jackets that offer water resistance.

apreading

Yeah - Gabba (and now perfetto S/S and Alpha Jersey which are like a lite Gabba) was always intended to be about keeping you comfortable while wet, as opposed to rain jackets that are about stopping the water getting in but generally dont breathe well. They may resist a little rain, but that isnt why they are there.

micrographia

Everyone is talking about softshells, and you look to be well supplied in those already. Difficult to look past eVent as a breathable waterproof hardshell. dhb have a race fit jacket in eVent for about £100. Also look at the Pace 3x3 at £100, has a looser fit if you want more layers. A well-used second hand one did me proud in the monsoon that was the first Tour de Yorkshire sportive.

doug5_10

I'm about to get a proper hard shell as only have a race cape style at the mo (also have a softshell Castelli Velocissimo for most 'standard' winter riding) I'm just waiting for the Tourmalet 2 to be released next week as all reviews raved about the original. I also thought about getting a Rivelo Langcliffe for a similar price but its not on offer at SportPursuit at the moment.

hsiaolc

Hardshell is not the same. I definitely need 2 layers with hardshell in the winter but I can do just base layer (thin or thick depending on temp) and I am good to go with the Gabba.

I have event hardshell and also polatec and Polar tech jacket is amazing in terms of breathability. Another problem with hard shell (obviously really) it is that is is hard so it rustles a lot and just feels like a jacket.

Anyway I just bought Rapha Pro Team soft shell jacket £150. We will see how that performs.

ryan_w-2

hsiaolc wrote:

Anyway I just bought Rapha Pro Team soft shell jacket £150. We will see how that performs.

You'll love it mate! Have worn mine everyday since I purchased it couple of weeks back.

Works so well layered up as well as with just a base.

Hinaultscrapcousin

POC AVIP jacket for when it's cold and wet for me.