So who recognises Britain as it is today?

andcp

ukiboy wrote:

Typical left wing nonsense. You neither know, remember, or care what this once great country used to be. I can enlighten you: Great Britain used to be an AMAZING country!

Go on, I'll bite (apologies if I've missed the irony) - what don't we 'know, remember or care' about this country that once made us AMAZING? (but apparently isn't anymore)

rick_chasey

Ukiboy. What specifically is "unpatriotic" about multiculturalism?

And be specific. I sense, you're using multiculturalism as a more palatable vehicle for "non-white" but let's hear you try to defend it first before I call you out for being a bigot.

surrey_commuter

ukiboy wrote:

Typical left wing nonsense. You neither know, remember, or care what this once great country used to be. I can enlighten you: Great Britain used to be an AMAZING country!

As somebody else has pointed out these things are relative so if you lived through post-war austerity then the 60's must have seemed like utopia. That would also make you 80 years old and so would explain the objections to a multi-cultural society.

bobmcstuff

ukiboy wrote:

Typical left wing nonsense. You neither know, remember, or care what this once great country used to be. I can enlighten you: Great Britain used to be an AMAZING country!

Think you need to take the rose-tinted specs off mate.

ukiboy

Ok Rick.. My home town was a beautiful place. A typical English historical town.
Very rich in industrial heritage - Royal Small Arms Factory was based there, (Lee Enfield Rifle, Sten gun etc), the first place in the world that had a cash point (Barclays Bank in Enfield Town), Thorn Emi, Belling, Ford Motor Company..
Enfield has had a fantastic industrial heritage.
And then in 1997 New Labour completely changed the scene.
Enfield now is unrecognisable. It is now full of benefit claiming diverse and indifferent folk who have no affinity to Enfield, London or the UK.
This is the problem.
Greater London is now unrecognisable to that in which I grew up in..

ukiboy

And Rick - I want to challenge you on the 'non white' thing! I have mates who are black and we all moan about the same things.. It's not a black vs white thing...

rick_chasey

OK let me make sure I understand you.

You're saying that Enfield was involved in manufacturing and that that has gone.

I'd suggest that's a function of economics not multiculturalism. In fact, in what way has multiculturalism have to do with heavy industry industrial decline at all?!??!

Enfield is now full of people claiming benefits? I'd suggest that a) that's an exaggeration (though feel free to give me stats to suggest otherwise), and b) if it is worse than the rest of the UK, again, that's a function of the industrial decline described above. Again, what does that have to do with multiculturalism? Surely that's again, a function of global economics; it's cheaper to do it outside of the UK, 'cos Brits earn too much.

What do you mean by 'benefit claiming diverse and indifferent folk'? What do you mean by diverse? do you mean not British?

andcp

ukiboy wrote:

Enfield now is unrecognisable. It is now full of benefit claiming diverse and indifferent folk who have no affinity to Enfield, London or the UK. This is the problem.

So what are you doing to help with this? Are you reaching out to other communities to see if they need help? Have you tried to help? or do you think that all the effort should com from them? In the 2011 census, Enfield was 82% white (68% British, 10% Other, 3% Irish). The largest non-white group, Black African, claimed 3%. Oh, by the way, some of my best friends are black too.

meanredspider

Blimey - I worked at the Ordnance factory in Enfield in the early 80's. It was doomed at that point and, believe me, that rot hadn't started in 1977. In fact it was going the same way as places like Colchester Lathe (where I also worked) - under investment and labour issues like pretty much most of British industry at that point.

You also have to remember that Britain's wealth has come off the backs of the countries in the empire.

ukiboy

Rick, Enfield has changed beyond belief. The evidence is that which presents itself in front of my eyes.
The High Street is now totally Turkish. There are no businesses on the High Street which have an English signage.
Folk walking down the street pushing a pram with 3 children in tow (4 in total), are common. They are not English, they are Somali or other East African. There is no way that they are financing their family. This has happened since the late '90's. The British tax payer is financing this. Correct me if I'm wrong Rick.

rick_chasey

What's the name of enfield high street? I fancy a google street view tour.


But I'm curious to know why you think the people you've identified as East African have 'no way' of financing their family. How on earth do you know their finances?

ukiboy

If you have to ask.... I know the place very well.
A one bed flat is 200k. Let's just say the place is well and truly knackered. Thanks Tony.
It's f'ed..

orraloon

I seem to have missed part of the story.

Thought all our problems were the fault of Brussels, but now you blame Tony Blair?

ukiboy

Rick Chasey wrote:

What's the name of enfield high street? I fancy a google street view tour.


But I'm curious to know why you think the people you've identified as East African have 'no way' of financing their family. How on earth do you know their finances?

Just out of interest Rick,

How old are you? Where are you from? What's your educational background? How much do you earn a year? I'm curious..

mrfpb

Rick Chasey wrote:

What's the name of enfield high street? I fancy a google street view tour.

Try London Road or A110 in Enfield. True, if Boots, Poundland, Greggs etc are Turkish shops. :roll:

Lots of shops are still empty in my town following the Crash. Still no takers for Woolworths, which was the biggest store in the shopping centre. My local corner shop closed following the crash, but this year a Sainsbury's local has moved in and built a new store on the site after six years with an increasingly rundown building to look at. So some positive signs really.

As a uk born father of four, I still continue to get some tax credits in addition to disability benefits related to a disabled child. I get child benefit too. Anyone who lives and works in the country is welcome to equal access to benefits as far as I am concerned.

ukiboy

Or even Ponders End High Street. Spot an English shop on that stretch...

webboo

ukiboy wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

What's the name of enfield high street? I fancy a google street view tour.


But I'm curious to know why you think the people you've identified as East African have 'no way' of financing their family. How on earth do you know their finances?

Just out of interest Rick,

How old are you? Where are you from? What's your educational background? How much do you earn a year? I'm curious..

Maybe you should give us your biographical profile first.

rick_chasey

ukiboy wrote:

Or even Ponders End High Street. Spot an English shop on that stretch...

Presumably all the one-shop businesses are English, 'cos, y'know, they're in England and registered in England.

Unless that's not what you mean? Be more specific in your language.

verylonglegs

Go on, tell what shops you'd like to see in their place, be specific now...what is acceptable to you?

rick_chasey

ukiboy wrote:

If you have to ask.... I know the place very well.
.

What does this mean? Is this in answer to how you know other people's finances? That means nothing.

briantrumpet

verylonglegs wrote:

Go on, tell what shops you'd like to see in their place, be specific now...what is acceptable to you?

Boots, perhaps.

Oh no, they are an American business now.

briantrumpet

Starbucks, maybe.

Ah, erm...

briantrumpet

McDonalds?

Damn, this isn't going too well.

mamba80

mrfpb wrote:

As a uk born father of four, I still continue to get some tax credits in addition to disability benefits related to a disabled child. I get child benefit too. Anyone who lives and works in the country is welcome to equal access to benefits as far as I am concerned.

Yeah perhaps i can pay some more tax and you can have a 5th child?

so not only have you voted to leave the EU and p1ss ed me off in the process, now you tell me i m paying for you too, this is the really reason this country is going down hill, too many people are claiming and not enough are net tax payers.

A girl at work, moaning about billionaires not paying enough tax, then went on to say that her tax credits, HB and child benefit DOUBLED her part time salary, i gently pointed out that perhaps she could do another day and her reply was "i get tired working 3 days a week and i like to go to the gym on my 2 days off"

Dont get me wrong, i ve no problem anyone getting help esp if they can improve their lot, but thats not what is happening, we are just giving people a reason to stay as they are, whilst others pay for it.

rick_chasey

:shock:

mrfpb

mamba80 wrote:

mrfpb wrote:

As a uk born father of four, I still continue to get some tax credits in addition to disability benefits related to a disabled child. I get child benefit too. Anyone who lives and works in the country is welcome to equal access to benefits as far as I am concerned.

Yeah perhaps i can pay some more tax and you can have a 5th child?

so not only have you voted to leave the EU and p1ss ed me off in the process, now you tell me i m paying for you too, this is the really reason this country is going down hill, too many people are claiming and not enough are net tax payers.

A girl at work, moaning about billionaires not paying enough tax, then went on to say that her tax credits, HB and child benefit DOUBLED her part time salary, i gently pointed out that perhaps she could do another day and her reply was "i get tired working 3 days a week and i like to go to the gym on my 2 days off"

Dont get me wrong, i ve no problem anyone getting help esp if they can improve their lot, but thats not what is happening, we are just giving people a reason to stay as they are, whilst others pay for it.

Thanks mamba, love u too!

ukiboy

Rick Chasey wrote:

ukiboy wrote:

Or even Ponders End High Street. Spot an English shop on that stretch...

Presumably all the one-shop businesses are English, 'cos, y'know, they're in England and registered in England.

Unless that's not what you mean? Be more specific in your language.

It's not that difficult Rick. English shops = English businesses, shop front written in English, goods inside English or British. Not a shop front that an indigenous English person couldn't understand. I can't understand any of the shop fronts that are in Ponders End High Street as they're all written in a language that is foreign to me. Years ago I could understand them all as they were written in, you know, ENGLISH! As it should be. Seeing as we are in ENGLAND!

briantrumpet

ukiboy wrote:

English shops = English businesses, shop front written in English, goods inside English or British. Not a shop front that an indigenous English person couldn't understand. I can't understand any of the shop fronts that are in Ponders End High Street as they're all written in a language that is foreign to me. Years ago I could understand them all as they were written in, you know, ENGLISH! As it should be. Seeing as we are in ENGLAND!

List of businesses on High Street in Ponders End
IMO Car Wash (ARC)
Car Wash & Valet Services

5-15
Boundary Service Station
Petrol Filling Stations

26-30
Crystal Car Sales
Car Dealers

32
Funtastic Print
Printers

34
Ladbrokes
Bookmakers

Ads by Google

36
Ponders End Newsagents
Newsagents

38
Belash Saree Centre
Clothes - Women

38
Julies Salon
Hair & Beauty Salons

47
ASDA
Supermarkets

60-62
City Cars
Car Dealers

64
Portfolio Property Services
Estate Agents

66
Breakfast House Cafe
Cafe & Tearoom

66
Sunshine Cafe
Cafes, Snack Shops & Tea Rooms

67
Poundland
Discount Store

67
Poundstretcher
Discount Store

67
Clarks
Shoe Shops

67
Farmfoods
Supermarkets

67
Brantano Footwear
Shoe Shops

70
Ponder's End Kebabs
Fast Food Takeaway

72
Ponders End Dry Cleaners
Dry Cleaners

74
City Paints
Painting & Decorating Supplies

76
Advance Insurance Services
Insurance Agents

102
The Wash Shop
Laundries & Launderettes

104
Kay's Salon
Hair & Beauty Salons

106
UK Garage
Car Accessories & Parts

Ads by Google

108
Hilal Butcher
Butchers

110
Bamboo Leaf
Chinese Fast Food Takeaway

130
Tony's Barbers
Barbers

131
Pro Visas & Immagration Solicitors
Solicitors

132-134
Harris Homes
Estate Agents

133
Veri Peri
Fast Food Takeaway

135
Enfield
Halal Butchers

137
Marmara Food
Convenience Stores

139
Has Antepliler
Cafes, Snack Shops & Tea Rooms

141
Euro Cars
Minicabs

143
Smart Look
Hairdressers - Unisex

145
Anadolu Travel
Travel Agents

151
National Tyres & Autocare
Garage Services

151
Hi-Q Tyre Services
Garage Services

164-166
Pizza Hut Delivery
Fast Food Delivery

168
Post Office Ltd
Post Office Services

174
Sinan's Barbers
Barbers

178
Horizon
Dry Cleaners

182-186
Ponders End Food Centre
Grocers

188
Time To Internet
Internet Cafes

190
Pound Plus Discount Store
Household Stores

192
Heir Kutz
Hairdressers

193
UMT Travels & Money Transfers
Travel Agents

193
Dean House Surgery
Medical Centres

194
Internet Cafe
Internet Cafes

195
Enfield Smiles Dental Practice
Dentists

195A
Peace of Mind Therapy Centre
Alternative & Complementary Medicines

196
Millennium Cafe
Cafes, Snack Shops & Tea Rooms

197-205
Kent Solictors
Solicitors

197-205
Adult Learning Academy
Miscellaneous

200
Smart Move
Estate Agents

202
Clover Insurance
Insurance Agents

219-221
The Secondary Support Centre
Council Services

219B
Car Park
Car Parking & Garaging

223-225
Kith&Kids
Charity Shops

232
Shukran
Indian Takeaway

232
Amma's Kitchen
Fast Food Takeaway

234
Bangla Bazar
Grocers

236
Legends Barbers
Barbers

238
Golden Chicken
Take Away Food Shops

240
Perfect Fried Chicken
Fast Food Takeaway

242
Amanah Sevices
Travel Agents

244-246
Oriental
Grocers

247
Zara Pharmacy
Chemists / Toiletries

247
Co-op Pharmacy
Chemists - Dispensing

249
YPS Phone Shop
Mobile Phones

253
The Sense
Hairdressers - Unisex

253A
Jenningsbet
Bookmakers

254
Kamelya
Take Away Food Shops

255
William Hill
Bookmakers

256
Star Cafe
Cafes, Snack Shops & Tea Rooms

258
MB Cash & Carry
Cash & Carry

259
Barclays Bank PLC
Banks & Other Financial Institutions

260
Paddy Power
Bookmakers

262-264
Ava
Grocers

266-270
Bellona
Furniture Shops

272
Cottage Cleaners
Dry Cleaners

274
Chicken & Pizza Point
Fast Food Takeaway

282
Reconditioned Domestic Appliances
Domestic Appliances - Sales

284
Sacha
Hair & Beauty Salons

286
Lick'n Chick'n
Fast Food Takeaway

288
Tesco Petrol Filling Station
Petrol Filling Stations

288
Tesco Extra
Supermarkets

291
Eagle House Surgery
Medical Centres

291
Elgon Chemist
Chemists - Dispensing

309
Hurgen's
Barbers

310
Luks Supermarket
Convenience Stores

310
Ponders End Supermarket
Grocers

312
Lombard Estates
Estate Agents

318
Amore
Clothes - Women

324
Connexions
Council Services

324
Axis Tuition Centre
Miscellaneous

331
ADM Food & Wine
Convenience Stores

350
Mirache Boutique & Decor
Clothes - Women

verylonglegs

ukiboy wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

ukiboy wrote:

Or even Ponders End High Street. Spot an English shop on that stretch...

Presumably all the one-shop businesses are English, 'cos, y'know, they're in England and registered in England.

Unless that's not what you mean? Be more specific in your language.

It's not that difficult Rick. English shops = English businesses, shop front written in English, goods inside English or British. Not a shop front that an indigenous English person couldn't understand. I can't understand any of the shop fronts that are in Ponders End High Street as they're all written in a language that is foreign to me. Years ago I could understand them all as they were written in, you know, ENGLISH! As it should be. Seeing as we are in ENGLAND!

Any shop like that would be the size of a broom cupboard and only be stocked with things like local jam and real ale.

Stevo_666

mamba80 wrote:

mrfpb wrote:

As a uk born father of four, I still continue to get some tax credits in addition to disability benefits related to a disabled child. I get child benefit too. Anyone who lives and works in the country is welcome to equal access to benefits as far as I am concerned.

Yeah perhaps i can pay some more tax and you can have a 5th child?

so not only have you voted to leave the EU and p1ss ed me off in the process, now you tell me i m paying for you too, this is the really reason this country is going down hill, too many people are claiming and not enough are net tax payers.

A girl at work, moaning about billionaires not paying enough tax, then went on to say that her tax credits, HB and child benefit DOUBLED her part time salary, i gently pointed out that perhaps she could do another day and her reply was "i get tired working 3 days a week and i like to go to the gym on my 2 days off"

Dont get me wrong, i ve no problem anyone getting help esp if they can improve their lot, but thats not what is happening, we are just giving people a reason to stay as they are, whilst others pay for it.

You're a tory at heart mamba