How good is Chris Froome?

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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Joelsim wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    I would have finished that in about a minute.

    And then placed it on top of your head in an upturned position.

    Before spewing.

    No, before pouring myself another one.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    I just love the idea of listing the historical cock ups and disasters of the Tour and describing them as part of the race's charm.
    Anyone not looking forward to their performance review ought to give it a go with the boss.
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  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    If you transplanted Merckx in his prime (with his best team), into the 2016 Tour, I have no doubt that this year's Sky Tour team would have dismantled him.

    Well it's like arguing the length of a string but I doubt they would have dismantled him. Beaten him certainly, because of the vast improvements in training and nutrition. If you look back at Merckx's achievements all the evidence points to the fact that he was the most talented cyclist of all time. If he were to have the same training, equipment and nutrition as now then I would suggest he would still be a level above everyone else.

    The rugby analogy is interesting because the guys playing in the 70's were the most skilled rugby players at that time and with modern training and conditioning they would be much stronger and fitter. However, the way the game has gone means the guys playing today are naturally bigger and stronger. So I think what you'd essentially have is the guys from the 70's playing a more expansive and skillful game against bigger guys playing a more set piece oriented game. Impossible to call.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    I just love the idea of listing the historical cock ups and disasters of the Tour and describing them as part of the race's charm.
    Anyone not looking forward to their performance review ought to give it a go with the boss.

    :lol:

    "I think I should get a bonus, because it was me that accidentally tripped the power to the servers while we were shifting out the backup supply. While it may have cost millions we've all had a good laugh about it since"*







    *I didn't actually do this.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    RichN95 wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    hang on, hang on, forget being right, which one of you is smarter? That's the question around here these days...
    Well one of them spends his days watching cycling and playing with cats, and the other seems to be permanently on holiday, so I'd say they're both pretty smart.

    All very well saying that but I've just vacuumed enough fur out of my car to make an entire cat.


    I may use this one as a brush.

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,721
    I wouldve said world's most over-qualified gardener here but given that I did it for free and the 19yr old barista very hurtfully suggested that geology is just advanced gardening anyway I'm probably not... :cry:
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    Milton50 wrote:
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    If you transplanted Merckx in his prime (with his best team), into the 2016 Tour, I have no doubt that this year's Sky Tour team would have dismantled him.

    Well it's like arguing the length of a string but I doubt they would have dismantled him. Beaten him certainly, because of the vast improvements in training and nutrition. If you look back at Merckx's achievements all the evidence points to the fact that he was the most talented cyclist of all time. If he were to have the same training, equipment and nutrition as now then I would suggest he would still be a level above everyone else.
    My point was exactly that: had Merckx (as the obvious and over-used example of Mr Best Cyclist Ever!) had the same level of technical support for the last 6 years as Froome and focused each season on the last 5 Tours - he may well have dominated recent Tours (but he'd have also needed to knock the casual use of amphetamines and barbiturates on the head). But similarly, the absolute and most unequivocally gifted athlete in the history of cycling might have been one of those dudes who DNF'd on a Tour stage in 1938, then got shot in the War...
    Yet similarly again, because it's a different thing, I think I would happy to declare that Usain Bolt is the fastest human ever over 100m - but not necessarily "potentially" the fastest human over 100m.
    I can't be clearer than that.
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    I just love the idea of listing the historical cock ups and disasters of the Tour and describing them as part of the race's charm.
    Anyone not looking forward to their performance review ought to give it a go with the boss.

    :lol:

    "I think I should get a bonus, because it was me that accidentally tripped the power to the servers while we were shifting out the backup supply. While it may have cost millions we've all had a good laugh about it since"*







    *I didn't actually do this.

    The £25M* overdraft I once gave someone certainly caused some mirth with my manager who wasn't known for her sense of humour. Not sure it would have been quite so funny had the person somehow disappeared with the cash.

    *in the interest of accuracy, it was actually £25,002,500.00
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    ddraver wrote:
    the 19yr old barista very hurtfully suggested that geology is just advanced gardening anyway

    I hope you told you him that geology rocks...
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    The_Boy wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    the 19yr old barista very hurtfully suggested that geology is just advanced gardening anyway

    I hope you told you him that geology rocks...

    I'd have slated him.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Joelsim wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    the 19yr old barista very hurtfully suggested that geology is just advanced gardening anyway

    I hope you told you him that geology rocks...

    I'd have slated him.

    He probably would if he'd been feeling boulder.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    Milton50 wrote:
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    If you transplanted Merckx in his prime (with his best team), into the 2016 Tour, I have no doubt that this year's Sky Tour team would have dismantled him.

    Well it's like arguing the length of a string but I doubt they would have dismantled him. Beaten him certainly, because of the vast improvements in training and nutrition. If you look back at Merckx's achievements all the evidence points to the fact that he was the most talented cyclist of all time. If he were to have the same training, equipment and nutrition as now then I would suggest he would still be a level above everyone else.
    My point was exactly that: had Merckx (as the obvious and over-used example of Mr Best Cyclist Ever!) had the same level of technical support for the last 6 years as Froome and focused each season on the last 5 Tours - he may well have dominated recent Tours (but he'd have also needed to knock the casual use of amphetamines and barbiturates on the head). But similarly, the absolute and most unequivocally gifted athlete in the history of cycling might have been one of those dudes who DNF'd on a Tour stage in 1938, then got shot in the War...

    Gino Bartali, if you're looking for a career blighted by the war.
    3 Giros, 2 TdFs, both with wins pre and post WWII.

    Oh and 7 monuments, again, pre and post war, though Lombardy and MSR only. Well, he was Italian.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    the 19yr old barista very hurtfully suggested that geology is just advanced gardening anyway

    I hope you told you him that geology rocks...

    I'd have slated him.

    He probably would if he'd been feeling boulder.

    Or if he was stoned.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    the 19yr old barista very hurtfully suggested that geology is just advanced gardening anyway

    I hope you told you him that geology rocks...

    I'd have slated him.

    He probably would if he'd been feeling boulder.

    Or if he was stoned.

    Someone needs to take the mantle and change the topography.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    the 19yr old barista very hurtfully suggested that geology is just advanced gardening anyway

    I hope you told you him that geology rocks...

    I'd have slated him.

    He probably would if he'd been feeling boulder.

    Or if he was stoned.

    Would he then have said, "What appenine, dude?"
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Probably 'Oi oi saveloy'.
  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    Joelsim wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    RonB wrote:
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    Still "winning" - this time in the Aalst crit :D

    I always thought Froome was a lot bigger.

    Lager than life.

    What's Jimmy Carr doing there?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,721
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    the 19yr old barista very hurtfully suggested that geology is just advanced gardening anyway

    I hope you told you him that geology rocks...

    I'd have slated him.

    He probably would if he'd been feeling boulder.

    Or if he was stoned.

    Would he then have said, "What appenine, dude?"

    He is a she

    and I'm quite impressed, some of those are genuinely new...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    ddraver wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    the 19yr old barista very hurtfully suggested that geology is just advanced gardening anyway

    I hope you told you him that geology rocks...

    I'd have slated him.

    He probably would if he'd been feeling boulder.

    Or if he was stoned.


    Would he then have said, "What appenine, dude?"

    He is a she

    and I'm quite impressed, some of those are genuinely new...

    If you upload them quick to global geologist comparison app Strata you'll get loads of KOMs for those segments.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    the 19yr old barista very hurtfully suggested that geology is just advanced gardening anyway

    I hope you told you him that geology rocks...

    I'd have slated him.

    He probably would if he'd been feeling boulder.

    Or if he was stoned.


    Would he then have said, "What appenine, dude?"

    He is a she

    and I'm quite impressed, some of those are genuinely new...

    If you upload them quick to global geologist comparison app Strata you'll get loads of KOMs for those segments.

    Yes, quick chalk them up.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    I wonder if we'll see the seismic shift that's needed by Nairo at La Vuelta.
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    He hasn't got the minerals
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    He needs to go and train on the volcano.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    Above The Cows wrote:
    He needs to go and train on the volcano.

    Otherwise he'll get dropped like a stone.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    The_Boy wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    He needs to go and train on the volcano.

    Otherwise he'll get dropped like a stone.

    Like Sisyphus this punnage may never end.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Milton50 wrote:
    He hasn't got the minerals

    Techtonic drinks perhaps.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Joelsim wrote:
    I wonder if we'll see the seismic shift that's needed by Nairo at La Vuelta.

    Not sure, he seems to have a lot on his plate at the moment
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    I wonder if we'll see the seismic shift that's needed by Nairo at La Vuelta.

    Not sure, he seems to have a lot on his plate at the moment

    He's too conservative. He needs to be more destructive in the mountains.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    I wonder if we'll see the seismic shift that's needed by Nairo at La Vuelta.

    Not sure, he seems to have a lot on his plate at the moment

    He's too conservative. He needs to be more destructive in the mountains.

    Absolutely, it's a big fault of his
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • chrisday
    chrisday Posts: 300
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    I wonder if we'll see the seismic shift that's needed by Nairo at La Vuelta.

    Not sure, he seems to have a lot on his plate at the moment

    He's too conservative. He needs to be more destructive in the mountains.

    Absolutely, it's a big fault of his

    If only he could tap that 2015 vein of form again...
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