Can someone explain this to me.

bompington

Matthewfalle wrote:

Utter bollllllocks. Nurses are on a pitiful salary not to mention a pitiful salary when looking at the training/hours/kind of work they do/situations they deal with

If I was a nurse with the 4 years of university and the academic record that I have, I would almost certainly be earning more than I do as a teacher. Oh, and I would have been getting paid while training as well, rather than having to pay for every one of those 4 years to get trained. A newly qualified teacher gets paid more just a little bit more than a newly qualified nurse.

As for the answer you claim blithely not to have had, it's the one a few posts back from your cheap little "hand-wringing" jibe - the one about how kids, and their parents, build up a relationship with their teacher over the course of a year: a primary class teacher is a very, very significant adult to a kid, more so than any other except a parent. This only applies to primary teachers of course - I'm a secondary teacher, you can guess how many presents I get.

pinno

I hear the buzz from the hornets nest that has been stirred up.

Don't you get double for having to teach in Dundee? Triple in Wishaw?

bompington

Pinno wrote:

I hear the buzz from the hornets nest that has been stirred up.

Don't you get double for having to teach in Dundee? Triple in Wishaw?

I'm smart enough to teach outside Dundee. As for Wishaw, perhaps Matthew would find his skills suitable for a job teaching there?

webboo

bompington wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Utter bollllllocks. Nurses are on a pitiful salary not to mention a pitiful salary when looking at the training/hours/kind of work they do/situations they deal with

If I was a nurse with the 4 years of university and the academic record that I have, I would almost certainly be earning more than I do as a teacher. Oh, and I would have been getting paid while training as well, rather than having to pay for every one of those 4 years to get trained. A newly qualified teacher gets paid more just a little bit more than a newly qualified nurse..

So now I will defend nurses. Nurse training is a 3 year degree course, there used to be a bursery but this has been scrapped, you don't get paid whilst training. Training and an good academic does not mean extra pay. Nursing pay rates are based on grades I.e. 5,6 ,7, 8a,8b etc are gained through promotion.
I know of nurses working part time whilst completing a PHD who are not being compensated whilst studying and are still banded at the grade they were employed at. They will only get an increase in pay if they can secure a promotion.

Matthewfalle

So, essentially apart from presents are given because women like to give presents for no reason then there isn't really a reason why presents are given to someone who is rewarded handsomely both financially and other wise for doing a job they chose to do?

Cool, thank you for that.

webboo

I have received presents from other men on occasions at work.

pinno

Webboo wrote:

I have received presents from other men on occasions at work.

oooer missus.

webboo

Matthewfalle wrote:

So, essentially apart from presents are given because women like to give presents for no reason then there isn't really a reason why presents are given to someone who is rewarded handsomely both financially and other wise for doing a job they chose to do?

Cool, thank you for that.

You may need to avoid greeting card shops, just been in one with the missus. She wanted a birthday card for her mother and I spotted a whole section of thank you cards and gifts for teachers.

ballysmate

Must agree with MF.

What a load of cack!!

pinno

Yay! MF has at least 1 friend...

ballysmate

Pinno wrote:

Yay! MF has at least 1 friend...

Hang on! Didn't say that did I?

pinno

Ballysmate wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Yay! MF has at least 1 friend...

Hang on! Didn't say that did I?

Now you're back pedalling. You've been doing that for years on your 56 lbs 'Made in 1932' (in a someone's shed bespoke British made) 'Scunthorpe scaffolding', haven't you?

ballysmate

Knocked up by Trevor Baylis in his shed.

pinno

Now, if you had said Trevorino Baylissa, then we'd be talking the same lingua franca (italiana) wouldn't we guv?

ballysmate

Yes you could have knocked up Trevorina in your shed.

pinno

Ballysmate wrote:

Yes you could have knocked up Trevorina in your shed.

...and on that note, it's goodnight from me.

Sleep tight and all that.

navrig2

Matthewfalle wrote:

Presents to teachers for no real reason. Discuss.

As the hubbie of a teacher who has been given loads of presents over the years I can confirm that on the whole they are usually tatt of some sort.

How many "World's best Teacher" mugs can you use?
Own brand Poundland chocolate!
Plaster of Paris figurines with cotton wool tails
Recycled and unwanted Xmas slippers (the wrong size)
The smelliest bath bombs which you would not dare put near your skin for fear of dissolving

It varies a lot with the catchment area but sometimes the better catchments are yielded the worst tatt - we reckon the parents had huge mortgages.

My missus got chatting to a brit who teaches nursery in Monaco. That's the place to get decent end of term gifts (if you're a woman). Handbags, proper perfume, flowers.....

pinno

On the other hand...
My mother taught at a Private International school in Kenya (8 to 11 year olds). The most hard working pupils were far eastern. I recall many an evening spent at the Korean or Japanese embassy/consulate where they would talk at length about their children's progress. The Japanese and Koreans would expect at least 2 hours homework per evening which my mother had to painstakingly and immaculately prepare and provide constant progress reports.
At the end of the academic year, she was showered with gifts from flowers to Paintings on Silk to beautifully decorated vases to giant lace edged wall fans. I still have a few of the gifts.
It seems to be an unique British culture to follow convention but the underlying sentiment is to the contrary. In Kenya, teachers were revered highly. There is a cynical and often coercive attitude towards teaching and the teaching profession in the UK.
I do not understand it. Good teachers are priceless but for too long, the middle classes expect the teachers to fill in the gaps that their own parents are incapable of filling. I say bring back the two tier system and an 11+. Lets split secondary education into the two groups: technical and academic.
The problem with this is that Jonny and Rebecca from middle England might just not make the academic grade, so politics will prevail in keeping those voters happy by maintaining the status quo.
I would go so far as to say that both the NHS and the Education system should be taken out of political hands and be run by Committee.

fenix

Matthewfalle wrote:

I work and receive a salary.

You work and receive a salary.

Why the hell is it accepted as the norm to give teachers a salary, 48 weeks holidays a year and then presents at the end of the year. And they still freakin' whinge.

No one gives me presents at work for doing my job and if I did ask for them they would tell me to bugggggggger orf.




Presents to teachers for no real reason. Discuss.

Try being a teacher and then come up with this rubbish. I'd not be a teacher. Working normal hours and then marking in your free time. Teachers work in the school holidays too.

If you like the sound of all of the holidays- go and be a teacher and collect your presents too - you'll be quids in.


You do sound quite bitter - do you not like your job ?

(PS not a teacher but relatives and friends have been teachers)

drlodge

The answer is easy. Most primary school teachers are women. Most presents are bought my mums (most of who are also women!) Women like to buy stuff. Any stuff. And then give and receive stuff. Usually useless stuff.

I reckon if most primary school teachers were men, far less presents would be seen. Its a sexist thing you see.

pinno

Fenix wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

I work and receive a salary.

You work and receive a salary.

Why the hell is it accepted as the norm to give teachers a salary, 48 weeks holidays a year and then presents at the end of the year. And they still freakin' whinge.

No one gives me presents at work for doing my job and if I did ask for them they would tell me to bugggggggger orf.

Presents to teachers for no real reason. Discuss.

Try being a teacher and then come up with this rubbish. I'd not be a teacher. Working normal hours and then marking in your free time. Teachers work in the school holidays too.

If you like the sound of all of the holidays- go and be a teacher and collect your presents too - you'll be quids in.

You do sound quite bitter - do you not like your job ?

(PS not a teacher but relatives and friends have been teachers)

To be fair, MF is patching up mangled, shrapnel ridden, amputated bodies in the 'field' and isn't given much credit for it. He''s not bitter but he's is twisted.

If presents are given as a token or by convention and it is sheer tat, is it really a compliment?

Do you send boxes of chocolates to medicins sans frontiere or fire fighters or those policing Moss side or the staff at your local animal sanctuary or the staff at your nearest A&E every year?

webboo

Most hospital wards are given that boxes of chocolates, biscuits and bottles of wine they end up raffling them off for extra ward funds.

webboo

The NHS run by a committee.
It is already run by committee's of NHS managers that's why its so sh*t

fenix

You dont send presents to people you have no interaction with generally - but the postie and milkman and binmen all get something from us.

So matthew could have swapped his career to one of those if he wanted to.

I daresay if I was a regular at A&E I'd give chocolates. Touch wood I'm not....

keef66

drlodge wrote:

The answer is easy. Most primary school teachers are women. Most presents are bought my mums (most of who are also women!) Women like to buy stuff. Any stuff. And then give and receive stuff. Usually useless stuff.

I reckon if most primary school teachers were men, far less presents would be seen. Its a sexist thing you see.

Well my son's in his 4th year teaching in secondary schools, and he still comes home with a boot full of tat come July, and apart from the odd bit of chocolate, most of it useless and destined for landfill in August. It all started with an apple for teacher but it's now got way out of hand. Peer pressure and now the retailers jumping on the bandwagon; that picture earlier in the thread makes me heave. Bit like party bags. As a kid if I went to a party I'd come home with a slice of cake, a balloon and a black eye. Now parents feel pressured into spending hundreds of pounds on the things in a kind of entertainment arms race, terrified of being branded cheapskates by the kids and their parents. I hate this kind of sh1t.

keef66

Fenix wrote:

You dont send presents to people you have no interaction with generally - but the postie and milkman and binmen all get something from us.

So matthew could have swapped his career to one of those if he wanted to.

I daresay if I was a regular at A&E I'd give chocolates. Touch wood I'm not....

Lately I've been a regular at the dentist. Repeat visits partly because my teeth are made of cottage cheese, and partly because of his ineptitude. Either way he's not getting any presents.

pinno

pinno

Sorry about your teef keef.

I'll get my coat.

But seriously, get yourself another dentist. Mine's great. I see him every 3 months for de-scaling and clean up to keep the gum line clean. It's working. I think he's the first dentist I have seen who takes all my other medical constraints into consideration.

guy.spartacus

This thread is great...

Are we being asked to justify why some people buy teachers presents at the end of the school year - but from the point of view that teachers actively solicit these presents (even though they don't)?

Some parents are thankful that a teacher has actively assisted their offspring achieve a decent exam grade or whatever and do so via the medium of chocolate.

My wife is a music teacher at a secondary school and puts in hundreds of hours of extra work preparing, writing and arranging music for school plays & performances, helping kids with coursework, recording compositions. Pretty much every lunchtime is spent doing extra curricular bits and pieces, as well as at home of an evening and at weekends.

This doesn't include the school trips she organises and the choirs she runs (both staff and student).

I'd say the presents she gets at the end of term are pretty well deserved and she can spend the time she's missed with our own child because of the extra work during the holidays.

Frank the tank

Matthewfalle wrote:

I work and receive a salary.

You work and receive a salary.

Why the hell is it accepted as the norm to give teachers a salary, 48 weeks holidays a year and then presents at the end of the year. And they still freakin' whinge.

No one gives me presents at work for doing my job and if I did ask for them they would tell me to bugggggggger orf.




Presents to teachers for no real reason. Discuss.

That question should be posed to the parents of the pupils, I'm sure the teachers don't and never have asked for presents. At some point a parent decided to send there child to school with a present for Miss/Mr. Then it all gets commercialised and so it goes on.

Don't berate the teachers but gullible soft arsed parents, I dare say usually mum.