Boris Johnson is foreign secretary?

rick_chasey

So Stevo, what do you think of Borris? Do you agree with the comment?

Stevo_666

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Seem to remember Londoners voting him mayor and then, given the chance, voted for him again.
Either he is not as bad as his act or Londoners are as thick as mince.
Probably the mince option.

the People also voted for BoatyMcboatyface too.

But they didn't vote for the Labour party to form a government. Kinda puts it into perspectuve how much of a joke Labour are

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

So Stevo, what do you think of Borris? Do you agree with the comment?

Boris is smarter than the public persona from when he was mayor.

Like I said, sour grapes by people whose little party has been spoilt.

surrey_commuter

Ballysmate wrote:

Seem to remember Londoners voting him mayor and then, given the chance, voted for him again.
Either he is not as bad as his act or Londoners are as thick as mince.
Probably the mince option.

It is a job of no consequence so why not chose a mayor who mKes you laugh. Just doesn't seem so funny anymore.

On the bright side he did fuck all in 8 years so maybe he is the man for the job.

surrey_commuter

Stevo 666 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Seem to remember Londoners voting him mayor and then, given the chance, voted for him again.
Either he is not as bad as his act or Londoners are as thick as mince.
Probably the mince option.

the People also voted for BoatyMcboatyface too.

But they didn't vote for the Labour party to form a government. Kinda puts it into perspectuve how much of a joke Labour are

Obsessed?

slowmart

Did anyone else see the car crash of a press conference with Boris and John Keery.

Boris came up short on every metric you'd care to use and the American hacks tore him apart.


And as for Hammond suggesting softbanks acquisition of Arm was a vote of confidence in the UK economy.....nothing about the devaluation of the pound to make the purchase 30% cheaper.....a waste of oxygen the lot of them

Stevo_666

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Seem to remember Londoners voting him mayor and then, given the chance, voted for him again.
Either he is not as bad as his act or Londoners are as thick as mince.
Probably the mince option.

the People also voted for BoatyMcboatyface too.

But they didn't vote for the Labour party to form a government. Kinda puts it into perspectuve how much of a joke Labour are

Obsessed?

Just putting it into perspective.

Can you even name the shadow foreign secretary without googling?

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So Stevo, what do you think of Borris? Do you agree with the comment?

Boris is smarter than the public persona from when he was mayor.

Like I said, sour grapes by people whose little party has been spoilt.

It's curious.

A family member worked with him for a while.

He's worked with a lot of top politicians. Hague, Alastair Campbell, Nick Clegg, etc.

I only seem to get 4 letter words out of him when I mention Bojo. He certainly doesn't rate him.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So Stevo, what do you think of Borris? Do you agree with the comment?

Boris is smarter than the public persona from when he was mayor.

Like I said, sour grapes by people whose little party has been spoilt.

It's curious.

A family member worked with him for a while.

He's worked with a lot of top politicians. Hague, Alastair Campbell, Nick Clegg, etc.

I only seem to get 4 letter words out of him when I mention Bojo. He certainly doesn't rate him.

Let's see how he does in the job.

ballysmate

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Seem to remember Londoners voting him mayor and then, given the chance, voted for him again.
Either he is not as bad as his act or Londoners are as thick as mince.
Probably the mince option.

the People also voted for BoatyMcboatyface too.

But they didn't vote for the Labour party to form a government. Kinda puts it into perspectuve how much of a joke Labour are

Obsessed?

Just putting it into perspective.

Can you even name the shadow foreign secretary without googling?

Emily Thornberry who moaned that it wasn't fair of the government to hold the trident debate because Labour wasn't ready.

Stevo_666

Slowmart wrote:

Did anyone else see the car crash of a press conference with Boris and John Keery.

Boris came up short on every metric you'd care to use and the American hacks tore him apart.


And as for Hammond suggesting softbanks acquisition of Arm was a vote of confidence in the UK economy.....nothing about the devaluation of the pound to make the purchase 30% cheaper.....a waste of oxygen the lot of them

You still get the same money if you're a UK shareholder..although in any event it was a 43% premium over last weeks closing and the pound has fallen against the yen by 12-13% since pre referendum, not by 30%.

And the new owner is planning to double the UK workforce.

So yes, a vote of confidence in the UK economy.

Stevo_666

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Seem to remember Londoners voting him mayor and then, given the chance, voted for him again.
Either he is not as bad as his act or Londoners are as thick as mince.
Probably the mince option.

the People also voted for BoatyMcboatyface too.

But they didn't vote for the Labour party to form a government. Kinda puts it into perspectuve how much of a joke Labour are

Obsessed?

Just putting it into perspective.

Can you even name the shadow foreign secretary without googling?

Emily Thornberry who moaned that it wasn't fair of the government to hold the trident debate because Labour wasn't ready.

Don't give him the answer, that's spoiling the fun.

At least they had someone to fill that position

surrey_commuter

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Seem to remember Londoners voting him mayor and then, given the chance, voted for him again.
Either he is not as bad as his act or Londoners are as thick as mince.
Probably the mince option.

the People also voted for BoatyMcboatyface too.

But they didn't vote for the Labour party to form a government. Kinda puts it into perspectuve how much of a joke Labour are

Obsessed?

Just putting it into perspective.

Can you even name the shadow foreign secretary without googling?

No - can I guess it is currently unfilled

surrey_commuter

Stevo 666 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Did anyone else see the car crash of a press conference with Boris and John Keery.

Boris came up short on every metric you'd care to use and the American hacks tore him apart.


And as for Hammond suggesting softbanks acquisition of Arm was a vote of confidence in the UK economy.....nothing about the devaluation of the pound to make the purchase 30% cheaper.....a waste of oxygen the lot of them

You still get the same money if you're a UK shareholder..although in any event it was a 43% premium over last weeks closing and the pound has fallen against the yen by 12-13% since pre referendum, not by 30%.

And the new owner is planning to double the UK workforce.

So yes, a vote of confidence in the UK economy.

Certainly a vote of confidence in Arm and it's product line

slowmart

Stevo 666 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Did anyone else see the car crash of a press conference with Boris and John Keery.

Boris came up short on every metric you'd care to use and the American hacks tore him apart.


And as for Hammond suggesting softbanks acquisition of Arm was a vote of confidence in the UK economy.....nothing about the devaluation of the pound to make the purchase 30% cheaper.....a waste of oxygen the lot of them

You still get the same money if you're a UK shareholder..although in any event it was a 43% premium over last weeks closing and the pound has fallen against the yen by 12-13% since pre referendum, not by 30%.

And the new owner is planning to double the UK workforce.

So yes, a vote of confidence in the UK economy.

Except your sterling buys less abroad. As for a vote of confidence in the uk economy I don't see it. Arm manufacture nothing. They license their IP to chip manufacturers and stands on its own commercial legs.

Plans in business are cheap, remember the cadburys takeover and the promise to shut no plants?

I see Arm as a massive success for UK business but since sterling has been devalued and uncertainty and volatility remain means UK companies are seen as cheap acquisitions and this weakness is amplified with shareholders and boards reluctant to sanction investment in the UK until trade deals are in place.

Any response or view to the performance of Boris at the news conference with Kerry? The question for me is how long will May hold the feet of Boris and co to the fire before she wields a knife to slit their political throats? Boris was a busted thrush before he took the role.

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So Stevo, what do you think of Borris? Do you agree with the comment?

Boris is smarter than the public persona from when he was mayor.

Like I said, sour grapes by people whose little party has been spoilt.

It's curious.

A family member worked with him for a while.

He's worked with a lot of top politicians. Hague, Alastair Campbell, Nick Clegg, etc.

I only seem to get 4 letter words out of him when I mention Bojo. He certainly doesn't rate him.

Let's see how he does in the job.

His first speech at the French embassy was booed and I haven't yet seen a favourable review of his performance versus Kerry.

He generally gave off the same impression as a 6 year old when his parents let him sit on the adult table.

mamba80

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So Stevo, what do you think of Borris? Do you agree with the comment?

Boris is smarter than the public persona from when he was mayor.

Like I said, sour grapes by people whose little party has been spoilt.

It's curious.

A family member worked with him for a while.

He's worked with a lot of top politicians. Hague, Alastair Campbell, Nick Clegg, etc.

I only seem to get 4 letter words out of him when I mention Bojo. He certainly doesn't rate him.

Let's see how he does in the job.

He is Foreign Sec not culture secretary, he needs to carry respect, dealing with world problems like migration, terrorism, N Korea, the growing tensions in the Pacific and pls dont say these issues dont involve us, we just voted to renew Trident.

He just carries too much baggage, he is a liar who swapped his undoubted euro credentials to head the OUT campaign, gambled and lost, wrote a heap of insults about some of todays leaders and got stuck on a zip wire.

it would nt matter had he led a successful IN team, he is just a figure of mirth and always will be.

ballysmate

mamba80 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So Stevo, what do you think of Borris? Do you agree with the comment?

Boris is smarter than the public persona from when he was mayor.

Like I said, sour grapes by people whose little party has been spoilt.

It's curious.

A family member worked with him for a while.

He's worked with a lot of top politicians. Hague, Alastair Campbell, Nick Clegg, etc.

I only seem to get 4 letter words out of him when I mention Bojo. He certainly doesn't rate him.

Let's see how he does in the job.

He is Foreign Sec not culture secretary, he needs to carry respect, dealing with world problems like migration, terrorism, N Korea, the growing tensions in the Pacific and pls dont say these issues dont involve us, we just voted to renew Trident.

He just carries too much baggage, he is a liar who swapped his undoubted euro credentials to head the OUT campaign, gambled and lost, wrote a heap of insults about some of todays leaders and got stuck on a zip wire.

it would nt matter had he led a successful IN team, he is just a figure of mirth and always will be.

This may/may not all be true. But come Jan 20 next year when the leader of the free world is either Trump or Clinton, it won't matter. He is positively Churchillian next to those pair.
The world is fcuked!

4kicks

mamba80 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So Stevo, what do you think of Borris? Do you agree with the comment?

Boris is smarter than the public persona from when he was mayor.

Like I said, sour grapes by people whose little party has been spoilt.

It's curious.

A family member worked with him for a while.

He's worked with a lot of top politicians. Hague, Alastair Campbell, Nick Clegg, etc.

I only seem to get 4 letter words out of him when I mention Bojo. He certainly doesn't rate him.

Let's see how he does in the job.

He is Foreign Sec not culture secretary, he needs to carry respect, dealing with world problems like migration, terrorism, N Korea, the growing tensions in the Pacific and pls dont say these issues dont involve us, we just voted to renew Trident.

He just carries too much baggage, he is a liar who swapped his undoubted euro credentials to head the OUT campaign, gambled and lost, wrote a heap of insults about some of todays leaders and got stuck on a zip wire.

it would nt matter had he led a successful IN team, he is just a figure of mirth and always will be.

People defending him, and then comparing it to a Labour General election result is a pretty good indicator of just how messed up British politics is right now. If Trump wins in the US Im starting to believe the internet meme that "2016 has been directed by Quentin Tarantino. "

coopster_the_1st

mamba80 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So Stevo, what do you think of Borris? Do you agree with the comment?

Boris is smarter than the public persona from when he was mayor.

Like I said, sour grapes by people whose little party has been spoilt.

It's curious.

A family member worked with him for a while.

He's worked with a lot of top politicians. Hague, Alastair Campbell, Nick Clegg, etc.

I only seem to get 4 letter words out of him when I mention Bojo. He certainly doesn't rate him.

Let's see how he does in the job.

He is Foreign Sec not culture secretary, he needs to carry respect, dealing with world problems like migration, terrorism, N Korea, the growing tensions in the Pacific and pls dont say these issues dont involve us, we just voted to renew Trident.

He just carries too much baggage, he is a liar who swapped his undoubted euro credentials to head the OUT campaign, gambled and lost, wrote a heap of insults about some of todays leaders and got stuck on a zip wire.

it would nt matter had he led a successful IN team, he is just a figure of mirth and always will be.

Well the report I read in yesterday's Times (and they are hardly a fan of his) said he came away with a lot of respect from his European counterparts after their meeting on Monday, especially but not only, his speech in French after the minutes silence on the Nice atrocity.

rick_chasey

Was that before or after he was booed?

Stevo_666

Slowmart wrote:

Except your sterling buys less abroad. As for a vote of confidence in the uk economy I don't see it. Arm manufacture nothing. They license their IP to chip manufacturers and stands on its own commercial legs.

Sterling buying less abroad is not relevant to the ARM point.

And it doesn't matter what the business model is, if they thought that things were that bad in the UK, they would be unlikely to pay such a large premium (even after taking into account currency movements )

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Was that before or after he was booed?

A politician gets booed by civil servants who don't like that fact that he has spoiled their party - shock exclusive.

slowmart

Stevo 666 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Except your sterling buys less abroad. As for a vote of confidence in the uk economy I don't see it. Arm manufacture nothing. They license their IP to chip manufacturers and stands on its own commercial legs.

Sterling buying less abroad is not relevant to the ARM point.

And it doesn't matter what the business model is, if they thought that things were that bad in the UK, they would be unlikely to pay such a large premium (even after taking into account currency movements )

of course the business model matters, no manufacturing base, purely IP equity, 1100 active licenses with 300 companies. The state or future of the U.K. economy was irrelevant to the acquisition. The fall in sterling may have been a trigger but only the purchaser knows that.


We've voted for brexit but I don't see the calibre of individuals who have been charged with delivery actually being effective and while the prevarication goes on companies will migrate away from the UK.

The ex Chancellors comments in reducing Corp tax shone a light on the commentary being received by HMG regarding exit strategies being triggered by some of the larger UK PLC's.

bartman100

Boris isn't a buffoon. Or rather isn't *just* a buffoon. He's a proven and repeated liar, a backstabber, a serial adulterer, a casual racist and all round sh1t who will stop at nothing to climb the greasy pole and fuel his enormous ego. His greatest skill has been to convince millions he is just a loveable rogue. Thank goodness there are a lot of journalists (and now angry pitchfork wielding folk) who are adamant not to let him off the hook.

Stevo_666

bartman100 wrote:

Boris isn't a buffoon. Or rather isn't *just* a buffoon. He's a proven and repeated liar, a backstabber, a serial adulterer, a casual racist and all round sh1t who will stop at nothing to climb the greasy pole and fuel his enormous ego. His greatest skill has been to convince millions he is just a loveable rogue. Thank goodness there are a lot of journalists (and now angry pitchfork wielding folk) who are adamant not to let him off the hook.

Look what happens when Cameron goes to the back benches. All your pent up anger now gets unleashed on Boris.

Stevo_666

Slowmart wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Except your sterling buys less abroad. As for a vote of confidence in the uk economy I don't see it. Arm manufacture nothing. They license their IP to chip manufacturers and stands on its own commercial legs.

Sterling buying less abroad is not relevant to the ARM point.

And it doesn't matter what the business model is, if they thought that things were that bad in the UK, they would be unlikely to pay such a large premium (even after taking into account currency movements )

of course the business model matters, no manufacturing base, purely IP equity, 1100 active licenses with 300 companies. The state or future of the U.K. economy was irrelevant to the acquisition. The fall in sterling may have been a trigger but only the purchaser knows that.


We've voted for brexit but I don't see the calibre of individuals who have been charged with delivery actually being effective and while the prevarication goes on companies will migrate away from the UK.

The ex Chancellors comments in reducing Corp tax shone a light on the commentary being received by HMG regarding exit strategies being triggered by some of the larger UK PLC's.

The state of the UK economy and related factors such as ability to hire skilled staff are relevant to an acquirer of a UK headquartered business, even if it is a case of introducing significant uncertainty into the equation. Probably what this does demonstrate is that they did their homework and decided that Brexit was not enough of a risk to out them off.

Manufacturers like my own group have also looked at the situation in some detail and we have decided that it isnt a big issue for us

As for the tax point, the rate was already set to go down to 17%, announced in the last budget. But I'm sure a small businessman like yourself already knew that

slowmart

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36699642 Georgie boy must have been panicking as his aim for Corp tax post brexit was less then 15% which begs the question, why?

Arms income is worldwide with little in relative terms being generated by the UK to make a squat of difference to the buyers decision. In a wider context, retention and growth of the talent pipeline is another issue altogether.

As night follows day the economic activity of the U.K. will reduce, to what level and for how long is unknown.

The bottom line is Boris's arse is on the pot, he needs to do the business or get off and while he's thrashing around the rest of us are waiting.

Stevo_666

Slowmart wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36699642 Georgie boy must have been panicking as his aim for Corp tax post brexit was less then 15% which begs the question, why?

Arms income is worldwide with little in relative terms being generated by the UK to make a squat of difference to the buyers decision. In a wider context, retention and growth of the talent pipeline is another issue altogether.

As night follows day the economic activity of the U.K. will reduce, to what level and for how long is unknown.

The bottom line is Boris's ars* is on the pot, he needs to do the business or get off and while he's thrashing around the rest of us are waiting.

Lower headline rates helps to attract investment. Look at the multinationals whomparked in Ireland partly due to their 12.5% rate.

ARM is definitely worldwide but is UK headquartered so the efficiency of things like dividend repatriation which are part of the UK economic and tax landscapre are relevant to investmetndecsions. I have done plenty of acquisitions in my time and would have been unwise at least not to look at the economic and fiscal environment of the HO location.

As for the economic activity of then UK, the forecasts are all still predicting growth, albeit reduced. See links in the EU thread for info.