What next for UKIP

slowmart

"If" my aunt had a c0ck he would be my uncle. There is no one in UKIP capable of relaunching their party into the mainstream. Not even Farage.

In his own world he put country before party and self advancement and I wish we could find someone with his authenticity attached to ability to lead the country out of steaming pile of crap.

I find it difficult to believe that May has called into question the right of EU citizens already working in the UK into question. That goes against the cross party position but bolsters her appeal to the right of the party at the expense of further unsettling EU nationals fulfilling a working role.


Leadsom is conning the nation by framing her suitability around the single narrative of bred it support rather than her ability and experience which is yet unproven.

The rest are jockeying for political high office by trading their future support to whomever they consider the likely winner.

Just when labour have an open goal to score they are arguing amongst themselves about who is taking the penalty.

I'd sack the whole House and start again.

surrey_commuter

Slowmart wrote:

"If" my aunt had a c0ck he would be my uncle. There is no one in UKIP capable of relaunching their party into the mainstream. Not even Farage.

In his own world he put country before party and self advancement and I wish we could find someone with his authenticity attached to ability to lead the country out of steaming pile of crap.

I find it difficult to believe that May has called into question the right of EU citizens already working in the UK into question. That goes against the cross party position but bolsters her appeal to the right of the party at the expense of further unsettling EU nationals fulfilling a working role.


Leadsom is conning the nation by framing her suitability around the single narrative of bred it support rather than her ability and experience which is yet unproven.

The rest are jockeying for political high office by trading their future support to whomever they consider the likely winner.

Just when labour have an open goal to score they are arguing amongst themselves about who is taking the penalty.

I'd sack the whole House and start again.

read what she said in full. Her point is that if you announce full rights with a cut off date in the future then you risk starting a stampede.

morstar

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Unfortunately I do With labour being so out of touch with it base UKIP have already started repositioning themselves as the party of the working class. If they get a good leader they will grow on this. Fortunately in the recent debates I've not seen anyone who is good enough and I hope they wither away into obscurity

Exactly! I can see some short term success and then a rapid unravel. If they position themselves as a party of the working class, they lose their origins as a conservative party with a clear anti Eu position. That loses them their core vote (and probably a lot of investment).

It is a collective idea based around a single ideology of leave Europe and things will be better. Under that banner are a million ideologies of what better means. For some that will mean £350M p/w going to public services whilst for others it means reduced reduced state and reduced bureaucracy. Lots of incompatible ideals and equally incompatible personalities. Nobody can lead this to long term success, hence why Farage is out at the top.

They wil have a honeymoon period and then the decline will be rapid. Don't forget the many offensive remarks from their senior membership, Farage was very good at navigating these, I doubt his successor will be anything like as accomplished. Also, the press will enjoy the demise and will take delight in every gory opportunity.

Farage was right place, right time, right person. Thank goodness he's gone.

slowmart

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

"If" my aunt had a c0ck he would be my uncle. There is no one in UKIP capable of relaunching their party into the mainstream. Not even Farage.

In his own world he put country before party and self advancement and I wish we could find someone with his authenticity attached to ability to lead the country out of steaming pile of crap.

I find it difficult to believe that May has called into question the right of EU citizens already working in the UK into question. That goes against the cross party position but bolsters her appeal to the right of the party at the expense of further unsettling EU nationals fulfilling a working role.


Leadsom is conning the nation by framing her suitability around the single narrative of bred it support rather than her ability and experience which is yet unproven.

The rest are jockeying for political high office by trading their future support to whomever they consider the likely winner.

Just when labour have an open goal to score they are arguing amongst themselves about who is taking the penalty.

I'd sack the whole House and start again.

read what she said in full. Her point is that if you announce full rights with a cut off date in the future then you risk starting a stampede.

So why question the issue when there has been a cross party agreement in place prior to the referendum regarding the right to stay and heighten uncertainty amongst legal EU citizens working in this country.

It's nothing more than applying her political ambition by showcasing her right wing credentials at the expense of innocent hard working people.

surrey_commuter

Slowmart wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

"If" my aunt had a c0ck he would be my uncle. There is no one in UKIP capable of relaunching their party into the mainstream. Not even Farage.

In his own world he put country before party and self advancement and I wish we could find someone with his authenticity attached to ability to lead the country out of steaming pile of crap.

I find it difficult to believe that May has called into question the right of EU citizens already working in the UK into question. That goes against the cross party position but bolsters her appeal to the right of the party at the expense of further unsettling EU nationals fulfilling a working role.


Leadsom is conning the nation by framing her suitability around the single narrative of bred it support rather than her ability and experience which is yet unproven.

The rest are jockeying for political high office by trading their future support to whomever they consider the likely winner.

Just when labour have an open goal to score they are arguing amongst themselves about who is taking the penalty.

I'd sack the whole House and start again.

read what she said in full. Her point is that if you announce full rights with a cut off date in the future then you risk starting a stampede.

So why question the issue when there has been a cross party agreement in place prior to the referendum regarding the right to stay and heighten uncertainty amongst legal EU citizens working in this country.

It's nothing more than applying her political ambition by showcasing her right wing credentials at the expense of innocent hard working people.

Possibly I should have used more words to explain what I meant. Her point was that if you say that any EU citizen living in this country on 31st December 2016 will have a permanent right to residency then you risk starting a surge in immigration to beat the cut-off. Her implication is that when you announce the policy you make it retrospective. She did not raise the issue she was asked the question.

It is a bit late to worry about the feelings of EU workers - they are well aware of what we think of them.

I find it amazing how far the world has turned on it's axis in the last 10 days - I would have LOL'ed at the thought that I would be defending Theresa May.

surrey_commuter

morstar wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Unfortunately I do With labour being so out of touch with it base UKIP have already started repositioning themselves as the party of the working class. If they get a good leader they will grow on this. Fortunately in the recent debates I've not seen anyone who is good enough and I hope they wither away into obscurity

Exactly! I can see some short term success and then a rapid unravel. If they position themselves as a party of the working class, they lose their origins as a conservative party with a clear anti Eu position. That loses them their core vote (and probably a lot of investment).

It is a collective idea based around a single ideology of leave Europe and things will be better. Under that banner are a million ideologies of what better means. For some that will mean £350M p/w going to public services whilst for others it means reduced reduced state and reduced bureaucracy. Lots of incompatible ideals and equally incompatible personalities. Nobody can lead this to long term success, hence why Farage is out at the top.

They wil have a honeymoon period and then the decline will be rapid. Don't forget the many offensive remarks from their senior membership, Farage was very good at navigating these, I doubt his successor will be anything like as accomplished. Also, the press will enjoy the demise and will take delight in every gory opportunity.

Farage was right place, right time, right person. Thank goodness he's gone.

they are a collection of deadbeats and losers who have discovered an organisation in which they are normal. They invented Brussels as a bogeyman I am sure they can find another one. They are not going to be happy that immigration has not fallen to the tens of thousands.

Giraffoto

My fervent hope is for a rapid slide into oblivion. A herd of racist pub bores who have made an effective demonstration of why representative democracy is a better system than a series of referenda (good use of plural there), and have harnessed the power of elderly racists to potentially screw up the future for the next twenty years. I'm going to encourage my children to gain the skills that will enable them to emigrate, just on the remote off chance that a glorious new dawn doesn't break.

Pross

The Lib Dems must be regretting taking the opportunist decision to go into coalition. With the current political climate they could kept quiet while all the others implode or make themselves unelectable and then come back to govern in their own right (apart from the fact so many will vote red or blue without even thinking about it).

morstar

Pross wrote:

The Lib Dems must be regretting taking the opportunist decision to go into coalition. With the current political climate they could kept quiet while all the others implode or make themselves unelectable and then come back to govern in their own right (apart from the fact so many will vote red or blue without even thinking about it).

I wonder about the if's but's and maybe's of the Lib Dems. What should they have done in 2010 though? Labour was a more natural fit but Brown wouldn't go and they still would have been a minority government. I thought they did a decent job of trimming the excesses of the Tories but paid a heavy price for doing so. The alternative was a hung parliament and probably a new GE. That suggests that they would need to acknowledge it's a wasted vote. Rock and hard place really.

secretsam

Farage's bluff, bluster and self-promoting PR ego was all that held them together.

With the referendum "won" (their view) their raison d'etre has vanished, and with Farage gone the loons will come out to play. As the Tories lurch right they will occupy UKIP's space.

However, the interesting question is who will mop up the Brexit voters from the lower socio-economic groups - assuming the new even more right wing Tories pick up the middle class, "we love the Daily Heil" mob.

morstar

SecretSam wrote:

Farage's bluff, bluster and self-promoting PR ego was all that held them together.

With the referendum "won" (their view) their raison d'etre has vanished, and with Farage gone the loons will come out to play. As the Tories lurch right they will occupy UKIP's space.

However, the interesting question is who will mop up the Brexit voters from the lower socio-economic groups - assuming the new even more right wing Tories pick up the middle class, "we love the Daily Heil" mob.

There's so much irony in the whole mess. We only got the referendum as it was a vehicle to stop Cons losing votes to UKIP. What actually transpired was that UKIP have grown at the expense of the Labour vote and the Tories have no effective opposition left anyway. The right wing have got the working class to solve their perpetual eu squabble.
I suspect Conservatives will win the next GE on an incredibly low turnout with no effective opposition.
Only question is when UKIPs decline starts. They will retain support whilst the Eu exit appears too slow but will lose support as they show their true colours. Which effect will be dominant between now and 2020?

Stevo_666

SecretSam wrote:

Farage's bluff, bluster and self-promoting PR ego was all that held them together.

With the referendum "won" (their view) their raison d'etre has vanished, and with Farage gone the loons will come out to play. As the Tories lurch right they will occupy UKIP's space.

However, the interesting question is who will mop up the Brexit voters from the lower socio-economic groups - assuming the new even more right wing Tories pick up the middle class, "we love the Daily Heil" mob.

What makes you think the Tories will lurch to the right? If May (the favourite) wins that is unlikely. Unlike Labour who have definitely lurched to the left already. This leaves a gap for UKIP to win support from disaffected ex Labour voters who don't think that Corbyns bunch of metropolitan socialists represent them.

RideOnTime

Where are the Liberal Democrats in all this?

Surely a time for them.

bendertherobot

RideOnTime wrote:

Where are the Liberal Democrats in all this?

Surely a time for them.

I was thinking of signing up. Nice conference venue as well. 8)

BelgianBeerGeek

bendertherobot wrote:

RideOnTime wrote:

Where are the Liberal Democrats in all this?

Surely a time for them.

I was thinking of signing up. Nice conference venue as well. 8)

The only party Stevo hasn't joined yet. He is a man of principle, after all

Stevo_666

BelgianBeerGeek wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

RideOnTime wrote:

Where are the Liberal Democrats in all this?

Surely a time for them.

I was thinking of signing up. Nice conference venue as well. 8)

The only party Stevo hasn't joined yet. He is a man of principle, after all

I'm from Yorkshire and don't like wasting my money

motogull

The UKIPS are nothing without Nige. He'll be back in good time to stir the pot and come out with made up facts as the exit negotiations don't go as fast or as 'well' as he decides they should. Gawd bless him.

BelgianBeerGeek

One of the good things about Farridge is he never said he was the party. There are many local councillors out there who are Kippers. There is one in our borough who is fairly proactive and a bit of a thorn on the side of the ruling mob. Sure, some are probably rubbish (same for any party), but a good test might be to see how many jump ship and/or quit in the next round of local elections. And how many take the Tory shilling.