the thing’s hollow -- it goes on forever -- and -- oh my god -- it’s full of wednesday!

Matthewfalle

Veronese68 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Well you would buy Shimano :roll:

Oh yes, Mr Campagnolo snob. Did you have a pop at MF a little while ago for abbreviating it to Campy? Probably preferring Campag. It would seem Campy is what they recognise as an abbreviation.

Yeah, what he said. Big up Veronese. Word to the Italian massif.

Absolutely spiffing day so far but tonight at work involves writing a 5 page risk assessment on a forthcoming exercise:

Risk: trip hazards
How to resolve risk: tell them not to trip over

Risk: people getting shot
How to resolve risk: tell them not to shoot each other

You get the gist

Re the fast/feast debate: natural weight of 71 kg at 6'1, currently 79 kg due to weights but the second I stop weights within 4 days of eating normally I'll be back at 72 with no effort involved.

Cut out the pies, chips, week day beers and pork scratching sand the weight will come off. Life will be incredibly boring, but you'll be skinny.....

Ciao

Right, I'm off to drink some coffee.

veronese68

Matthewfalle wrote:

Risk: people getting shot
How to resolve risk: tell them not to shoot each other

Is this an actual war or an exercise? If it's an exercise can't you just tell them not to use live rounds or use spud guns or something? I do believe actual wars are dangerous and there's not a tremendous amount that can be done about it. Not just in the "motorsport can be dangerous" sense.

Matthewfalle

Veronese68 wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Risk: people getting shot
How to resolve risk: tell them not to shoot each other

Is this an actual war or an exercise? If it's an exercise can't you just tell them not to use live rounds or use spud guns or something? I do believe actual wars are dangerous and there's not a tremendous amount that can be done about it. Not just in the "motorsport can be dangerous" sense.

Trust me, this lot could injure each each using splurge guns. I once had an officer break an ankle falling down a gopher hole chasing a gopher.

Live firing job unfortunately. I am tempted to take a tank to hide in.

veronese68

Matthewfalle wrote:

Trust me, this lot could injure each each using splurge guns. I once had an officer break an ankle falling down a gopher hole chasing a gopher.

Live firing job unfortunately. I am tempted to take a tank to hide in.

I think that sounds sensible. Vaguely recall a story about a large combined exercise with the Yanks that was cancelled at the last minute as they flew a couple of helicopters into each other. :roll:

Matthewfalle

I had to get another dude casevac'd out because he cut the top of all his fingers off cutting some duck tape off that held his spare boots together as a pair.

And they give these people the vote, pens and the opportunity to breed................

Flâneur

you gave them a knife... next time let him bleed out

pinno

homers double wrote:

Taken from this mornings ride... https://www.strava.com/activities/524420994

Speed 24.7km/h 63.0km/h
Heart Rate 154bpm 176bpm
Cadence 81 217
Calories 929
Temperature 3℃
Elapsed Time 1:26:35

I've tested my max HR to 191bpm, so Z3 (endurance) is, according to BR between 143 and 156bpm, my average was 154 so towards the top end but there or therabouts.

So far today I have eaten the following:-

A bowl of bran flakes (post ride)
A bowl of salad from Asda which also contained a slice of ham and an egg along with 200g's of cooked chicken again from asda, washed down with water and a snack pot of grapes.
Dinner will be a grilled chicken, about 60g (uncooked) of wholemeal rice and steamed brocolie.

Tea consumption so far has hit 5 cups as I've been out on the road (see asda salad).

Apologies if this is all too serious for this forum. [f*ck them - tell them to sod orf to mumsnet.]

TLDR:- HD wears XL.

Long and boring PM sent.

Flâneur

so what is the best way to crash your HR back down between intervals?

pinno

Flâneur wrote:

so what is the best way to crash your HR back down between intervals?

In short, by being super fit. However:

Try and practice this: sit comfortably in an upright position. Try and slow your breathing rate down to 3 breaths per minute.
Initially, try 15 per minute and then work towards 14, 13, 12 etc. The heart rate will come down with it. It will teach you to breath very deeply thereby utilising as much of the lung as possible. It's amazing how much clarity you can achieve when doing this (after the dizzy stage). You can do it whilst driving or at the office. Initially, forget about he heart rate but be aware of the breathing rate and the heart rate reduction.
When you can consciously reduce the heart rate through breathing correctly, then transfer the 'art' to between the intervals. Obviously you won't be counting the breaths or be able to achieve 36 bpm but you will have the ability to control it a bit better.

Matthewfalle

Pinno wrote:

Flâneur wrote:

so what is the best way to crash your HR back down between intervals?

In short, by being super fit. However:

Try and practice this: sit comfortably in an upright position. Try and slow your breathing rate down to 3 breaths per minute.
Initially, try 15 per minute and then work towards 14, 13, 12 etc. The heart rate will come down with it. It will teach you to breath very deeply thereby utilising as much of the lung as possible. It's amazing how much clarity you can achieve when doing this (after the dizzy stage). You can do it whilst driving or at the office. Initially, forget about he heart rate but be aware of the breathing rate and the heart rate reduction.
When you can consciously reduce the heart rate through breathing correctly, then transfer the 'art' to between the intervals. Obviously you won't be counting the breaths or be able to achieve 36 bpm but you will have the ability to control it a bit better.

Sounds like "J" breathing used in diving and hypno birthing - normally you only use 3/4 of the lung capacity but you can train yourself to use the full capacity whilst slowing down the breathing rate and therefore HR.

Yoga, Pilates, meditation all use the same principle.

De-stress technique: generally called taking a Condor moment.

Matthewfalle

Flâneur wrote:

you gave them a knife... next time let him bleed out

You may joke, but yes, it was my knife and my last words before I handed it over to him were "be careful, this is my really, really sharp knife".

I kid you not - the majority of these people are very special indeed.

Stevo_666

Evenin All,

Hope you lot have been playing nicely while I've been out. Up early to get to Cheltenham way for 9.30am to try the new uplift that opened there. And good fun it was.

Consumed today:
Ham n cheese sarni
Sausage roll
Bag of crisps
Small pack of cocktail sausages
Banana
Pear
Bar of chocolate
Two cans of Monster

I'm dead healthy me. And you need lots of energy for this downhill malarky

pinno

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Flâneur wrote:

so what is the best way to crash your HR back down between intervals?

In short, by being super fit. However:

Try and practice this: sit comfortably in an upright position. Try and slow your breathing rate down to 3 breaths per minute.
Initially, try 15 per minute and then work towards 14, 13, 12 etc. The heart rate will come down with it. It will teach you to breath very deeply thereby utilising as much of the lung as possible. It's amazing how much clarity you can achieve when doing this (after the dizzy stage). You can do it whilst driving or at the office. Initially, forget about he heart rate but be aware of the breathing rate and the heart rate reduction.
When you can consciously reduce the heart rate through breathing correctly, then transfer the 'art' to between the intervals. Obviously you won't be counting the breaths or be able to achieve 36 bpm but you will have the ability to control it a bit better.

Sounds like "J" breathing used in diving and hypno birthing - normally you only use 3/4 of the lung capacity but you can train yourself to use the full capacity whilst slowing down the breathing rate and therefore HR.

Yoga, Pilates, meditation all use the same principle.

De-stress technique: generally called taking a Condor moment.

I got the technique from a martial arts instructor. He tries to teach people how to do it during a Kata!

Matthewfalle

I used to teach it to people when I helped run a dive school years ago - once you get the hang of it it's really quite nice and extends dive times loads.

What's a Kata?

pinno

'Kata' - fight. Breathing technique is where you hold the stomach muscles constantly whilst using 3/4 of the lung and never getting out of breath. Not something I can do but it's an art. When you start to explore the effect of breathing, it's quite amazing. I used it to control pain when I was in hospital. Now I do it sub-consciously.

tlw1

Stevo 666 wrote:

Evenin All,

Hope you lot have been playing nicely while I've been out. Up early to get to Cheltenham way for 9.30am to try the new uplift that opened there. And good fun it was.

Consumed today:
Ham n cheese sarni
Sausage roll
Bag of crisps
Small pack of cocktail sausages
Banana
Pear
Bar of chocolate
Two cans of Monster

I'm dead healthy me. And you need lots of energy for this downhill malarky

Worth going on a visit to my sister in laws and 'nipping' out for a day then

Matthewfalle

Stevo 666 wrote:

Evenin All,

Hope you lot have been playing nicely while I've been out. Up early to get to Cheltenham way for 9.30am to try the new uplift that opened there. And good fun it was.

Consumed today:
Ham n cheese sarni
Sausage roll
Bag of crisps
Small pack of cocktail sausages
Banana
Pear
Bar of chocolate
Two cans of Monster

I'm dead healthy me. And you need lots of energy for this downhill malarky

I had a double pepperoni pizza and two bottles of Cobra whilst watching the first series of X Files at 10:30 last night.

Breakfast is a pint of moka pot coffee before riding to work.

My body is a temple and I worship at that temple.

Matthewfalle

Pinno wrote:

'Kata' - fight. Breathing technique is where you hold the stomach muscles constantly whilst using 3/4 of the lung and never getting out of breath. Not something I can do but it's an art. When you start to explore the effect of breathing, it's quite amazing. I used it to control pain when I was in hospital. Now I do it sub-consciously.

I didn't't know you were a martialist artist - what do you do?

Stevo_666

TLW1 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Evenin All,

Hope you lot have been playing nicely while I've been out. Up early to get to Cheltenham way for 9.30am to try the new uplift that opened there. And good fun it was.

Consumed today:
Ham n cheese sarni
Sausage roll
Bag of crisps
Small pack of cocktail sausages
Banana
Pear
Bar of chocolate
Two cans of Monster

I'm dead healthy me. And you need lots of energy for this downhill malarky

Worth going on a visit to my sister in laws and 'nipping' out for a day then

Yep. They only have 3 runs so far, a blue, a red and a black but they are good fun and a a decent challenge. 2 more in the pipeline apparently. We will go back at some point.

seanoconn

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pinno wrote:

'Kata' - fight. Breathing technique is where you hold the stomach muscles constantly whilst using 3/4 of the lung and never getting out of breath. Not something I can do but it's an art. When you start to explore the effect of breathing, it's quite amazing. I used it to control pain when I was in hospital. Now I do it sub-consciously.

I didn't't know you were a martialist artist - what do you do?

He's a black belt in origami.

If I'm getting the gist of this breathing malarkey, I have the green light to belt you and Pinno in the whatsits and you won't feel a thing? Good to know.

Stevo_666

Forgot to say, google flyup 417, or flyup downhill. They operate at Forest of Dean and Gawton in Devon as well.

Flâneur

cheers ladies n gents n others.

Sounds like what I have to do when diving to get used to the reg and cold the moment I jump in

pinno

Matthewfalle wrote:

Pinno wrote:

'Kata' - fight. Breathing technique is where you hold the stomach muscles constantly whilst using 3/4 of the lung and never getting out of breath. Not something I can do but it's an art. When you start to explore the effect of breathing, it's quite amazing. I used it to control pain when I was in hospital. Now I do it sub-consciously.

I didn't't know you were a martialist artist - what do you do?

No, the gentleman concerned is one of my minions. He is extremely good for advice on stretching and breathing exercises, diet, fitness, strength training without weights etc. Fantastic knowledge on the inter-relationship of the human body. It opens up a whole new world. He had a dislodged retina after a Thai Boxing fight and so had to give up the contact side of things but is still fit as fook. If I get aches and pains from work or the bike, he's the first port of call.