Poll : EU
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Rick Chasey wrote:Poll seems a fair reflection.
I hope it does turn out to be the case, I'm voting to stay in but also hope it's a solid enough vote in order to put the issue to bed.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Poll seems a fair reflection.
We shall see.
As I said, I am minded to vote 'IN', not as any ringing endorsement of the EU, but because I think it would be difficult to extricate ourselves. The EU is a mess, but I'm afraid we're stuck with it.0 -
It will be interesting to see weather lycra clad mamawil's are representative of the main voting demographic.0
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Mr Goo wrote:At present I'm sat on the fence, which may surprise some of you given my anti EU stance in the past. The one real positive that I can only see for the average Joe in the UK is the protection the EU gives to employees ie; the working time directive. I do feel that if the UK were to divorce from the EU it could leave the average employee open to being taken advantage of without recourse.
On the flip side, the scaremongering about job losses is a complete smoke screen. Only 5% of UK businesses export to the EU trading block. This means that the other 95% are hamstrung by the Brussels bureaucratic nonsense imposed on them.
Not sure the working time directive is worth anything. Certainly in my sector if you get a job offer the contract you need to sign will contain a 'voluntary' opt out clause. Basically, if you want the job you have to drop out of the directive.0 -
Pross wrote:Mr Goo wrote:At present I'm sat on the fence, which may surprise some of you given my anti EU stance in the past. The one real positive that I can only see for the average Joe in the UK is the protection the EU gives to employees ie; the working time directive. I do feel that if the UK were to divorce from the EU it could leave the average employee open to being taken advantage of without recourse.
On the flip side, the scaremongering about job losses is a complete smoke screen. Only 5% of UK businesses export to the EU trading block. This means that the other 95% are hamstrung by the Brussels bureaucratic nonsense imposed on them.
Not sure the working time directive is worth anything. Certainly in my sector if you get a job offer the contract you need to sign will contain a 'voluntary' opt out clause. Basically, if you want the job you have to drop out of the directive.
You're probably right, but am sure it depends on the job type. I would imagine jobs in the 'city' have the mandatory opt out. But for shop, factory, and other mainstream jobs that have lower rates of pay, I would hope that it is upheld.
I did note that a recent job spec for a sales job that I was sent, the working hours were half an hour under the working time directive guidelines. I'm pretty sure that it was not a coincidence.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
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Mr Goo wrote:This means that the other 95% are hamstrung by the Brussels bureaucratic nonsense imposed on them.
Such as? Keep hearing this line but don't recognise. UK government imposed bureaucratic nonsense though I'm with you.Mr Goo wrote:Only 5% of UK businesses export to the EU trading block.
I run my own small business so I guess I fall into the other 95%, even though I have done some work in Europe I would not class myself as an exporter. However, instead of using a relatively meaningless number of businesses % stat maybe should think instead about % of UK GDP contributed by exports to the EU or similar. Means a helluva lot more.0 -
@the Op, ROT, why are people allowed 2 votes in the poll?0
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Ballysmate wrote:I actually voted for the 'Just about in but not convinced' option and that reflects my thinking at the moment.
Don't get me wrong, I think the EU is a crock of shite in many ways, but we are in too deep to extricate ourselves from the mire. We have been sold a pup when the Common Market morphed into the EU.
It has taken Cameron and the EU how long to agree very little really and bearing in mind that it takes Brussels 12 months to get to grips with imposing any trade tariff on Chinese steel, the withdrawal process would be tortuous.
To my mind we are in an organisation that we don't really want to belong to but the withdrawal period could be worse. What a choice!!
The concessions that 'Closer political union' won't apply to UK and that the Euro won't be foisted upon us is just enough to persuade me that the medicine would be worse than the disease.
If we vote to remain,I would hope that other members of the EU would look at Britain's actions and realise that one size does not fit all and strive for a looser arrangement than we have now.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... de-Juncker
Well well well.0 -
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EU losing its sparkle? Perhaps the whole project will implode or my own wish, that it revert to a trading bloc and stop trying to be a superstate.
http://inserbia.info/today/2016/02/vuci ... t-used-be/0 -
Ballysmate wrote:
Now if you're seeking refuge in Hungary things are bad...0 -
Ballysmate wrote:
Hardly, its not the same thing at all.
however it does go to show that EU cannot act in its own interests, rather a pull the ladder up jack attitude to immigration.
What these referendums show is a complete lack of leadership from Cameron and now the Hungarians.
i m no expert on History but i m sure Churchill didnt ask the UK public about going to war against the Nazi's, indeed if he had, the British would have voted NO, we need a leader who will do what he was voted into to do..... lead this country, instead of joking about at PMQ;s sometimes i think DC should be at the Apollo on a friday night, as a PM, he is an embarrassment both here and abroad.0 -
Aye, Shiny Faced Dave's mask slipped a bit yesterday.
Under pressure d'ye reckon? Aware there is a reasonable chance of him going down in history as the PM who was so weak and ineffectual he allowed the UK to drift into xenophobic isolation?0 -
Sterling devaluation is effectively everything the UK produces being worth less.
That's the cost of trying to win over UKIP voters and those swivel eyed loons in the Tory party.
They like to moan about Brussels profligate spending but I'd be curious to see the cost of this referendum and the acompnying uncertainty.0 -
Pross wrote:Mr Goo wrote:At present I'm sat on the fence, which may surprise some of you given my anti EU stance in the past. The one real positive that I can only see for the average Joe in the UK is the protection the EU gives to employees ie; the working time directive. I do feel that if the UK were to divorce from the EU it could leave the average employee open to being taken advantage of without recourse.
On the flip side, the scaremongering about job losses is a complete smoke screen. Only 5% of UK businesses export to the EU trading block. This means that the other 95% are hamstrung by the Brussels bureaucratic nonsense imposed on them.
Not sure the working time directive is worth anything. Certainly in my sector if you get a job offer the contract you need to sign will contain a 'voluntary' opt out clause. Basically, if you want the job you have to drop out of the directive.
Opt-outs contained within your main contract have been found to be non-binding when taken to court - if your company wants you to opt out you need to sign a separate declaration.
Not that most of us would bother taking our employers to court on that basis unless they were really taking the p!ss.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Sterling devaluation is effectively everything the UK produces being worth less.
That's the cost of trying to win over UKIP voters and those swivel eyed loons in the Tory party.
They like to moan about Brussels profligate spending but I'd be curious to see the cost of this referendum and the acompnying uncertainty.
Swivel eyed loons? Just because they don't automatically share your view of a land of milk and honey in the EU promised land?
BTW, do you honestly believe that the 4m people who voted UKIP hold right of centre views?0 -
Ballysmate wrote:BTW, do you honestly believe that the 4m people who voted UKIP hold right of centre views?
Swivel eyed lunatics used by that hard core leftie Peter Kellner in Evening Standard in October 1999 referring to then leader William Hague (remember him?) 's troubles with the anti Europe faction in the Tory party.
Anyroads here's a wee guide to the species
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sho ... -eyed-loon
admittedly from 2013 and admittedly from The Grauniad but entertainly accurate none the less.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Sterling devaluation is effectively everything the UK produces being worth less.
That's the cost of trying to win over UKIP voters and those swivel eyed loons in the Tory party.
They like to moan about Brussels profligate spending but I'd be curious to see the cost of this referendum and the acompnying uncertainty.
Swivel eyed loons? Just because they don't automatically share your view of a land of milk and honey in the EU promised land?
BTW, do you honestly believe that the 4m people who voted UKIP hold right of centre views?
Ah calm down. Tories themselves called the lot who get over-excited about Europe swivel eyed loons.That's where it comes from. Another classic description was those who 'foam at the mouth' about Europe. There's a decent sect within the Tory party who get the issues around Europe out of proportion with the rest of governance, hence the 'swivel eyed loons.'
It more or less tore the previous Tory gov't apart then, over something that the general populace seems broadly in favour - as the referendum will show.0 -
Another leading right wing Eurosceptic... er... Tony Benn
http://think-left.org/2015/07/06/tony-b ... democracy/
And Think Left
http://think-left.org/2011/07/21/red-la ... -the-room/
Yeah, all the Eurosceptics are right wing eh?0 -
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So they cost less and sell more.Rick Chasey wrote:Sterling devaluation is effectively everything the UK produces being worth less.
Swings and roundabouts.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Ballysmate wrote:Another leading right wing Eurosceptic... er... Tony Benn
http://think-left.org/2015/07/06/tony-b ... democracy/
And Think Left
http://think-left.org/2011/07/21/red-la ... -the-room/
Yeah, all the Eurosceptics are right wing eh?
I think Rick was making the point that it's the Tories who may well tear themselves to pieces over the EU and that the Tory leadership are petrified of losing too many voters to UKIP.
One interesting question (OK, not that interesting) is what will happen to UKIP after the referendum? If Britain votes out they'll lose their raison d'etre, if Britain votes in then the anti-EU cause will take a massive blow, particularly as younger voters tend to be more pro-EU.0 -
PBlakeney wrote:
So they cost less and sell more.Rick Chasey wrote:Sterling devaluation is effectively everything the UK produces being worth less.
Swings and roundabouts.
Depends what you're selling. If it's something that requires a whole load of imported parts or services, then the cost of importing these will soar.0 -
See you want to be all in eu together and you still want the value of the pound to be relatively high, you cant have it both ways.finchy wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
So they cost less and sell more.Rick Chasey wrote:Sterling devaluation is effectively everything the UK produces being worth less.
Swings and roundabouts.
Depends what you're selling. If it's something that requires a whole load of imported parts or services, then the cost of importing these will soar.0 -
Swings and roundabouts.finchy wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
So they cost less and sell more.Rick Chasey wrote:Sterling devaluation is effectively everything the UK produces being worth less.
Swings and roundabouts.
Depends what you're selling. If it's something that requires a whole load of imported parts or services, then the cost of importing these will soar.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
PBlakeney wrote:
Swings and roundabouts.finchy wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
So they cost less and sell more.Rick Chasey wrote:Sterling devaluation is effectively everything the UK produces being worth less.
Swings and roundabouts.
Depends what you're selling. If it's something that requires a whole load of imported parts or services, then the cost of importing these will soar.
So these exchange of currency issues effect just swings and roundabouts...
no other goods?0 -
No other industries left.RideOnTime wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
Swings and roundabouts.finchy wrote:PBlakeney wrote:
So they cost less and sell more.Rick Chasey wrote:Sterling devaluation is effectively everything the UK produces being worth less.
Swings and roundabouts.
Depends what you're selling. If it's something that requires a whole load of imported parts or services, then the cost of importing these will soar.
So these exchange of currency issues effect just swings and roundabouts...
no other goods?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
