Modern UK Politics

slowmart

Does anyone else think the bar and calibre of individual is at a new time low?

Guido Fawkes, now there was a chap I'd have voted for.

orraloon

For the prosecution I give you: Michael Gove.

ballysmate

Not really. Throughout our history, political greats have been thinly spread. Today is no different to any other era really.

cycleclinic

The last post is quite true.

The problem with politics is the people who would do a good job would not get voted in. The current crop though is particularly weak which is why satire has died. Even the comedians dont find it funny anymore.

jawooga

The people who really care and want to do a good honest job are people like Jeremy Corbyn, whether or not you agree with his politics. They then get pilloried by the press, even those who are supposed to support him! We get the government we deserve - Pig Fucker Cameron.

pblakeney

Ballysmate wrote:

Not really. Throughout our history, political greats have been thinly spread. Today is no different to any other era really.

I'd agree with that with one exception, they are now zero. There a usually a couple that are worth a listen.
I can't think of a single M.P. that I could respect even if I disagreed with them, far less one I'd trust.

Stevo_666

jawooga wrote:

The people who really care and want to do a good honest job are people like Jeremy Corbyn, whether or not you agree with his politics. They then get pilloried by the press, even those who are supposed to support him! We get the government we deserve - Pig ****** Cameron.

Corbyn keeps us amused. I hope he sticks around for another few years so he can complete his good honest job of making Labour unelectable

slowmart

Stevo 666 wrote:

jawooga wrote:

The people who really care and want to do a good honest job are people like Jeremy Corbyn, whether or not you agree with his politics. They then get pilloried by the press, even those who are supposed to support him! We get the government we deserve - Pig ****** Cameron.

Corbyn keeps us amused. I hope he sticks around for another few years so he can complete his good honest job of making Labour unelectable

Corbyns currently going under the radar for obvious reasons and arguably his currency is at its lowest point. However with the Tories tearing themselves apart I'd suggest you have a vacuum and a increasingly negative view of the Tories.

Just as Trump resonates with the American electorate and let's forget the message for now, but he has connected I'd say the honest decency of Corbyn will be a bright light to the electorate and in stark difference to the self serving Tory MPs.

to clarify I don't agree with Corbyn but he comes across as principled and as a public servant

ballysmate

Slowmart wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

jawooga wrote:

The people who really care and want to do a good honest job are people like Jeremy Corbyn, whether or not you agree with his politics. They then get pilloried by the press, even those who are supposed to support him! We get the government we deserve - Pig ****** Cameron.

Corbyn keeps us amused. I hope he sticks around for another few years so he can complete his good honest job of making Labour unelectable

Corbyns currently going under the radar for obvious reasons and arguably his currency is at its lowest point. However with the Tories tearing themselves apart I'd suggest you have a vacuum and a increasingly negative view of the Tories.

Just as Trump resonates with the American electorate and let's forget the message for now, but he has connected I'd say the honest decency of Corbyn will be a bright light to the electorate and in stark difference to the self serving Tory MPs.

to clarify I don't agree with Corbyn but he comes across as principled and as a public servant

How can you be a public servant if your desire is to fcuk the country?

Stevo_666

I think he's learning that the best way to stop the Labour vote from collapsing is to keep his mouth shut.

ballysmate

My fear is that the Tories take the election for granted and Labour elect a new leader who is instantly popular for no other reason that he is not Corbyn

Stevo_666

Ballysmate wrote:

My fear is that the Tories take the election for granted and Labour elect a new leader who is instantly popular for no other reason that he is not Corbyn

Might be good fun if I get to vote again on who leads Labour. Its very easy, I will just pick the biggest Trotskyite tw@t on the ballot paper - again

ballysmate

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

My fear is that the Tories take the election for granted and Labour elect a new leader who is instantly popular for no other reason that he is not Corbyn

Might be good fun if I get to vote again on who leads Labour. Its very easy, I will just pick the biggest Trotskyite tw@t on the ballot paper - again

May invest a few quid myself. After all, it;s only the price of a pint.

Stevo_666

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

My fear is that the Tories take the election for granted and Labour elect a new leader who is instantly popular for no other reason that he is not Corbyn

Might be good fun if I get to vote again on who leads Labour. Its very easy, I will just pick the biggest Trotskyite tw@t on the ballot paper - again

May invest a few quid myself. After all, it;s only the price of a pint.

Best 3 quid I ever spent in terms of sheer entertainment value. I also like to think I have done my bit for Britain.

slowmart

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

My fear is that the Tories take the election for granted and Labour elect a new leader who is instantly popular for no other reason that he is not Corbyn

Might be good fun if I get to vote again on who leads Labour. Its very easy, I will just pick the biggest Trotskyite tw@t on the ballot paper - again

May invest a few quid myself. After all, it;s only the price of a pint.

Best 3 quid I ever spent in terms of sheer entertainment value. I also like to think I have done my bit for Britain.

Your focusjng on the wrong thing guys.

It's for the Tories to mess up and mess up they certainly will. They have no perception of a viable or electable threat to keep them in line.

Corbyn is a moral beacon compared to these guys and in the same way Trump has resonated ( for different reasons) with the electorate so will Corbyn.

And if this happens we have Stevo to thank :shock:

ballysmate

Moral beacon eh?
'Tis funny, I've never thought of him that way.

Stevo_666

Slowmart wrote:

Corbyn is a moral beacon compared to these guys and in the same way Trump has resonated ( for different reasons) with the electorate so will Corbyn.

And if this happens we have Stevo to thank :shock:

In the end he's a politician so any perception of him being a moral beacon is down to a mixture of clever PR and the fact that he is not prepared to compromise in order to become electable.

Anyway, who's to say that this isn't a stunt by me to increase the demand for my services - just think how much taxes will go up if he ever did get into power

slowmart

Stevo 666 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Corbyn is a moral beacon compared to these guys and in the same way Trump has resonated ( for different reasons) with the electorate so will Corbyn.

And if this happens we have Stevo to thank :shock:

In the end he's a politician so any perception of him being a moral beacon is down to a mixture of clever PR and the fact that he is not prepared to compromise in order to become electable.

Anyway, who's to say that this isn't a stunt by me to increase the demand for my services - just think how much taxes will go up if he ever did get into power

Like Trump there's an authenticity about him which will cut through to the electorate, the question is how much and will the tories infighting make Corbyn look electable? Will the Trump effect and eventual outcome impact on style of politician Corbyn portrays....

Is this all drivel or will Dave royal shaft the electorate in readiness for providing Boris sloppy seconds...

Stevo_666

If there is an authenticity it hasn't been reflected in recent polls of support for the parties. It might help if he had policies that weren't a joke or a rehash of the 70's.

pinno

Stevo 666 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Corbyn...Corbyn.

And...thank :shock:

...he is not prepared to compromise in order to become electable.

Surely that is commendable?

I'll ask this:

How many politicians play politics instead of governing?
How much of politics is/has been influenced and distorted by the press in a way that has been very detrimental?
How many people are being sold the anti-Corbyn line through the above ^?

Stevo_666

Pinno wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Corbyn...Corbyn.

And...thank :shock:

...he is not prepared to compromise in order to become electable.

Surely that is commendable?

I'll ask this:

How many politicians play politics instead of governing?
How much of politics is/has been influenced and distorted by the press in a way that has been very detrimental?
How many people are being sold the anti-Corbyn line through the above ^?

In the end politics is about compromise in many ways. The tories reaslise this and this is part of why they are in power. There's no point being idealistic if you never get to put it into practice.

But as this is the BB, I'll say it's very commendable because it will mean the leftie fecker will never get elected

florerider

There is a fundamental problem - if the pay looks good then it attracts low achievers or career politicians with no experience of business and commerce, or the opposite happens, candidates have to be personally wealthy and that means they lack connection with most of the rest of us.

Stevo_666

florerider wrote:

There is a fundamental problem - if the pay looks good then it attracts low achievers or career politicians with no experience of business and commerce, or the opposite happens, candidates have to be personally wealthy and that means they lack connection with most of the rest of us.

Good pay normally attracts high achievers as well - then there''s a choice of low and high achievers.

slowmart

Stevo 666 wrote:

florerider wrote:

There is a fundamental problem - if the pay looks good then it attracts low achievers or career politicians with no experience of business and commerce, or the opposite happens, candidates have to be personally wealthy and that means they lack connection with most of the rest of us.

Good pay normally attracts high achievers as well - then there''s a choice of low and high achievers.

That's too narrow in the context of calibre of individual who is attracted to political office.

The Spotlight of the media is intense and dissuades many able and capable individuals for considering political office as does the salary. I don't see the salary of an MP being particularly high as opposed to what a capable person can achieve in business.

It Is more about perception and do they look good. I'm not a labour supporter but Brown seemed able and capable and much of the derision was personal to his appearance and image. WTF?

Which is why we have the majority of parliament made up of middle managers ( at best and probably lower to middle in performance when measured against their peers) who are self serving and are happy to be wooed by "think tanks" or lobbyists.

Not only is the standard of individual low but so is their life experience with too many career politicians who have never done a days graft in their lives.

Stevo_666

Slowmart wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

florerider wrote:

There is a fundamental problem - if the pay looks good then it attracts low achievers or career politicians with no experience of business and commerce, or the opposite happens, candidates have to be personally wealthy and that means they lack connection with most of the rest of us.

Good pay normally attracts high achievers as well - then there''s a choice of low and high achievers.

That's too narrow in the context of calibre of individual who is attracted to political office.

That's why I said 'normally'

slowmart

Stevo 666 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

florerider wrote:

There is a fundamental problem - if the pay looks good then it attracts low achievers or career politicians with no experience of business and commerce, or the opposite happens, candidates have to be personally wealthy and that means they lack connection with most of the rest of us.

Good pay normally attracts high achievers as well - then there''s a choice of low and high achievers.

That's too narrow in the context of calibre of individual who is attracted to political office.

That's why I said 'normally'

Accountants eh! Economical with words as well as cash and would never constitute good politician material when 50 words could be applied when one would do.

Stevo_666

That's all I needed to say

I'm sure a small businessman like yourself appreciates that offering good money attracts good candidates for jobs. Same for me when I'm fishing for minions...

peterbob

They're weeded through by the ranks of the party long before you ever get a vote for them. The options are restricted to start with.

Stevo_666

Stevo 666 wrote:

That's why I said 'normally'