The Homeless
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Unless of course there is a programme of widespread social housing put in place.i see first time buyer purchasing of homes is down to 38% of homes bought and the amount of time it takes to raise a deposit needed for a mortgage, has gone from 4 years in the 90s to 23 years now.
So unless your rich/parents very rich, then renting is your only option, so rent rises need to be addressed and long term rent agreements for tenants need boosting or we are going to see more evictions and more homeless.
That will not happen. National house builders and developers do not like building 'social housing' as the costs to build them are punitive compared to building for the private buyer. I can see you are all scratching your heads. But the truth is that 'social housing' Eco building standards are higher than those of the private buyer. So in theory when buying a new private house you may well be getting one that has inferior 'Eco' standards.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
On the radio news yesterday evening they broadcast a brief speech made by David CaMoron regarding Syrian Refugees. He said that the first tranche had arrived in Northern Ireland and another into Stansted Airport.
Then stated "ALL WOULD BE HOUSED, given medical treatment and educated etc, etc. I fully understand that many are children and that they have fled a conflict zone and need help.
However over the last few weeks I have listened to and seen frequent advertisements from the likes of Shelter about helping the homeless over the festive period. Many of the homeless are ex-service personnel (many with mental illness), youngsters who have fled abusive households, vulnerable adults, mentally ill, or people who have fallen on hard times. We have all seen them and most probably ignored them. Can anyone square the circle of how a government can shelter and aid those from without, yet not do anything for those from within. Perhaps they do. If so can anyone explain?
It appears that it is more fashionable to take id some homeless in preference to others.Re: 20 odd pages on Labour and nothing on the refugee crisis
Postby Ballysmate » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:32 pm
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/06/nicola-sturgeon-and-yvette-cooper-offer-to-house-syrian-refugees
If there is no requirement to take Cooper, Sturgeon, Geldof etc up on their very generous offer to house refugees, perhaps they could take in some of our own homeless. Such as these guys.
http://www.soldiersoffthestreet.org/
Just wondering, like...
If Cooper, Sturgeon and Geldof still have house room, perhaps they could take in ex servicemen over the festive period...0 -
Contrary to what a lot of people think, homelessness is not caused by lack of houses. The issues are financial, social and psychological.0
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Contrary to what a lot of people think, homelessness is not caused by lack of houses. The issues are financial, social and psychological.
absolutely true but the supply of very cheap rent social housing is no more and mental health care services have long waiting lists.
Its the volume of homelessness that is shocking and amongst ex service men especially so.
fwiw Suggesting geldof etc taking in a few people is ridiculous, as if that is a long term solution.0 -
There is no need to make a big issue of this.0
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We can't blame Thatcher for everything. If those wankers Blair and Bush hadn't decided to be the worlds police and got us involved in countries affairs that were none of our business maybe we would have the money to educate and medically look after our own people. Also there would not have been this amount of refugees. So thank you Bush and his little poodle Blair.0
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With the help of a local people from birmingham we were able to feed and cloth 200 people on the 23rd. It was a short term fix, a hot meal, snacks to fill bags, as much as they could carry and warm jumpers, trousers, gloves, hats and socks but the day Very heart warming to assist but so sad at the same time.after it is the same. I don't have the answer, wished that I did really but I didn't realise just how some of the people we see in the streets of cities truly live in the UK.Living MY dream.0
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Chapeau to you sir for doing more than I did. Nice to see you back, VTechWith the help of a local people from birmingham we were able to feed and cloth 200 people on the 23rd. It was a short term fix, a hot meal, snacks to fill bags, as much as they could carry and warm jumpers, trousers, gloves, hats and socks but the day Very heart warming to assist but so sad at the same time.after it is the same. I don't have the answer, wished that I did really but I didn't realise just how some of the people we see in the streets of cities truly live in the UK.Ecrasez l’infame0 -
Chappeau indeed. Great stuff vtech.0
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Sigh, how come all of a sudden "Ex Services Heroes" are so prominent?
What about other groups who take on stressful and dangerous work? Where's the special consideration for ex-Mental Health nurses? Or former RNLI staff? Or anyone else of that ilk, who regularly put their lives at risk?
I appreciate that the homeless include ex-services folk. But they include lots of other groups, and frankly I'm sick of the right-wing pandering to one particular group.
It's just a hill. Get over it.0 -
Contrary to what a lot of people think, homelessness is not caused by lack of houses. The issues are financial, social and psychological.
absolutely true but the supply of very cheap rent social housing is no more and mental health care services have long waiting lists.
Its the volume of homelessness that is shocking and amongst ex service men especially so.
fwiw Suggesting geldof etc taking in a few people is ridiculous, as if that is a long term solution.[/quote]
I know it's a ridiculous solution and I wasn't for one minute suggesting in seriousness that they do it. I was just lampooning their reaction to the fashionable 'right on' cause. I had no expectation that they would actually take in refugees either.0 -
Sigh, how come all of a sudden "Ex Services Heroes" are so prominent?
What about other groups who take on stressful and dangerous work? Where's the special consideration for ex-Mental Health nurses? Or former RNLI staff? Or anyone else of that ilk, who regularly put their lives at risk?
I appreciate that the homeless include ex-services folk. But they include lots of other groups, and frankly I'm sick of the right-wing pandering to one particular group.
According to that extreme right wing newspaper, the Daily Mirror, 1 in 10 of people sleeping rough are ex servicemen.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/9000-ex-service-personnel-homeless-after-2071049
I am quite surprised that you associate being a left winger as lacking compassion. I must say that I have never found it to be the case. People of all political persuasion can find compassion in their hearts,,, even lefties.
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Sigh, how come all of a sudden "Ex Services Heroes" are so prominent?
What about other groups who take on stressful and dangerous work? Where's the special consideration for ex-Mental Health nurses? Or former RNLI staff? Or anyone else of that ilk, who regularly put their lives at risk?
I appreciate that the homeless include ex-services folk. But they include lots of other groups, and frankly I'm sick of the right-wing pandering to one particular group.
According to that extreme right wing newspaper, the Daily Mirror, 1 in 10 of people sleeping rough are ex servicemen.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/9000-ex-service-personnel-homeless-after-2071049
I am quite surprised that you associate being a left winger as lacking compassion. I must say that I have never found it to be the case. People of all political persuasion can find compassion in their hearts,,, even lefties.
The people I met seemed to be a high mixture of foreigners, mainly Polish and Romanian and then drunk women and elderly. Of course you never get to know the truth, it would be rude to ask but there wasn't as many middle aged men as you would think to make it seem ex military and I was surprised at the amount of women.Living MY dream.0 -
Sigh, how come all of a sudden "Ex Services Heroes" are so prominent?
What about other groups who take on stressful and dangerous work? Where's the special consideration for ex-Mental Health nurses? Or former RNLI staff? Or anyone else of that ilk, who regularly put their lives at risk?
I appreciate that the homeless include ex-services folk. But they include lots of other groups, and frankly I'm sick of the right-wing pandering to one particular group.
Firemen, nurses, lifeboat men and other people in dangerous professions in this country tend to have housing and social connections. Servicemen are discharged from an organisation that houses them and provides a strict structure and routine to their lives into a society they are often disconnected from. They are often traumatised at the point of discharge and unable to build the social links necessary to get into work and good housing. Their is limited support, and once that runs out, they are dependent on charities when things go wrong.0 -
Sigh, how come all of a sudden "Ex Services Heroes" are so prominent?
What about other groups who take on stressful and dangerous work? Where's the special consideration for ex-Mental Health nurses? Or former RNLI staff? Or anyone else of that ilk, who regularly put their lives at risk?
I appreciate that the homeless include ex-services folk. But they include lots of other groups, and frankly I'm sick of the right-wing pandering to one particular group.
Firemen, nurses, lifeboat men and other people in dangerous professions in this country tend to have housing and social connections. Servicemen are discharged from an organisation that houses them and provides a strict structure and routine to their lives into a society they are often disconnected from. They are often traumatised at the point of discharge and unable to build the social links necessary to get into work and good housing. Their is limited support, and once that runs out, they are dependent on charities when things go wrong.
Fair point, hadn't thought of that angle. I was in a bit of a mood when I posted, if I'm honest...
It's just a hill. Get over it.0 -
Sigh, how come all of a sudden "Ex Services Heroes" are so prominent?
What about other groups who take on stressful and dangerous work? Where's the special consideration for ex-Mental Health nurses? Or former RNLI staff? Or anyone else of that ilk, who regularly put their lives at risk?
I appreciate that the homeless include ex-services folk. But they include lots of other groups, and frankly I'm sick of the right-wing pandering to one particular group.
Firemen, nurses, lifeboat men and other people in dangerous professions in this country tend to have housing and social connections. Servicemen are discharged from an organisation that houses them and provides a strict structure and routine to their lives into a society they are often disconnected from. They are often traumatised at the point of discharge and unable to build the social links necessary to get into work and good housing. Their is limited support, and once that runs out, they are dependent on charities when things go wrong.
Fair point, hadn't thought of that angle. I was in a bit of a mood when I posted, if I'm honest...
One of my old bosses returned to the Royal Navy as a civilian with rank, in order to assist long service Royal Marines who were entering civilian life. Because many enter service at such a young age, serving many years in a very structured society, those that have no family to return to have an inability to function. This is where the MoD and Authorities fail.Always be yourself, unless you can be Aaron Rodgers....Then always be Aaron Rodgers.0 -
Seeing as we have headed off into the ex-Forces area...
Yes, there are some homeless people who used to be in the forces. But there are lots of ex-forces who have left and got on with it.
The thing about joining the forces is (unless you give notice to leave) you know exactly when you are leaving. If you manage a full career, this is normally with a pension. I currently work with plenty of military personnel. The smart ones know that one day they will leave. So they plan, buy a house, get their kids into schools, think about a new job etc. There are some excellent services they can draw on to help them.
A depressing few put their head in the sand, and because they are well paid these days, spend it down the pub or on a new car. Hey-ho.
Of course there are plenty who have been discharged through ill-health. Such are the fortunes of war. There are also those who have been kicked out through ill-discipline, failing drug tests etc.
The point I'm making is every homeless person's story is different. Stating that homeless ex-forces persons are a special case is a generalisation, and that is just stupid.Ecrasez l’infame0 -
One size won't fit all but in my experience homelessness is often caused by mental illness and or drug problems.
Ergo the solution would be better mental health care (better at catching problems) and a new, less criminal approach to drugs.0 -
One size won't fit all but in my experience homelessness is often caused by mental illness and or drug problems.
Ergo the solution would be better mental health care (better at catching problems) and a new, less criminal approach to drugs.
There's always someone on here who ruins it by talking about dignified solutions, full of common sense and compassion
It's just a hill. Get over it.0
