Hypothetical Question.
Clockworkmark31
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Could we be heading for another WW? WW3?
In the past five years, we have seen north and south Korea standing off (USA and UK showing force), Asian planes being shot down by Russian militants, Russia invading, the conflicts in Iraq etc, now Syria and ISIS and now terrorist attacks. Along with countless other incidents, How tolerant will governments be before it all comes apart?
Complete hypothetical question, but more and more violence is happening. and innocent people are loosing their lives. Once one country starts to retaliate then surely it will have a knock on affect.
Are we close to this?
In the past five years, we have seen north and south Korea standing off (USA and UK showing force), Asian planes being shot down by Russian militants, Russia invading, the conflicts in Iraq etc, now Syria and ISIS and now terrorist attacks. Along with countless other incidents, How tolerant will governments be before it all comes apart?
Complete hypothetical question, but more and more violence is happening. and innocent people are loosing their lives. Once one country starts to retaliate then surely it will have a knock on affect.
Are we close to this?
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I don't want to sound like I am paranoid. Or anything like that.
But more and more war related crimes seem to be occurring. Surely it is only a matter of time before one country strikes back. Or is my imagination running wild?
Would like to think a serious discussion could be had.0 -
I honestly don't believe there will ever be another world war. I think there needs to be a combined effort to neutralise ISIS but it won't turn in to a world war.
Russia and North Korea will continue to provoke the west but they know they can't afford a war.Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350 -
I honestly don't believe there will ever be another world war. I think there needs to be a combined effort to neutralise ISIS but it won't turn in to a world war.
Russia and North Korea will continue to provoke the west but they know they can't afford a war.
Slightly agree and disagree, my partner was Polish. And she used to keep me upto date on the relationships between Russian and Poland, it seems quite hostile.
After the recent goings on, there will be some counterstrike from France and supporting countries.
I too would like to think that we won't have another world war, but tensions seem to be getting stronger between countries and rebel forces taking actions. So far we are being protected by the diplomats, but I think it is a matter of time.
Just my thoughts, the cold war ended years ago, yet if a Russian plain enters out airspace we still react in the same way like in the cold war. Tensions between Russia and Poland seem as strong as they have always been.0 -
It's not just Russian planes entering our airspace that cause this reaction, any plane without authorisation will be escorted out.
The main problem I think you're missing is the media. I'm not saying things aren't bad in the world, it's just that the media make an absolute meal out of it. The tension between North and South Korea has been going on for years, and it's purely between them both. The North occasionally pokes Japan, but then China and Russia get involved.
Russia has a massive army, there's no denying that, however they cannot afford to do a full on invasion or war. What you're seeing at the moment is Putin flexing his muscles. He wants the world to see that he's not afraid to use his army, and that his army is very, very strong. A full on war would cripple the already fragile economy.
There won't be a war on the same scale as the World Wars, I think the West has agreed that it can't happen again. The UN and G8 wouldn't allow it, and the current world economy also couldn't allow it.It takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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TKM makes a good point. The media has a vested interest in keeping the population scared. They shout about how dangerous the world is so you have to buy their claptrap to keep yourself informed. Politicians need to keep us scared so we will vote for them as they say they can protect us. Putin flexes his muscles to make himself popular at home and distract the population from their woes. Look at what the Falklands did for Thatcher's popularity.
The likes of IS cannot afford a world war, it can only ever be terror attacks and guerrilla warfare.
You are more likely to die from a beesting than at the hands of IS. When one of the extremist groups gets hold of a nuke would be cause for concern.0 -
TKM does make a good point,
Yes I'm exaggerating and this is a hypothetical question.
But what would happen if one of the leaders decided to flex there muscles, how would the UN and G8 step in? Plus, I know it isn't a nice topic, but when 9/11 happened look at the outcome of that. If terror attacks keep happening then surely it would be a matter of time before soldiers are sent to that region.
With what happened on Friday plus all the recent events, it just made me curious.
Does Putin just flex his muscles to keep his country happy?0 -
On another hypercritical question,
Would someone like to hazard a guess as to what was before the big bang, space and time. Keep finding the answer of nothing. But energy etc cannot come from nothing.
And a Morgan Freeman documentary I watched on space and time made me ask.
Now that I just can't get my head around, that everything comes from nothing. Maybe we are space v0.1.0 -
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Well I would love to know what was before time, even if it is a paradox.
Everything comes from something. Big Bang materialised from something, and something materialised before that.0 -
Putin does it to make him look strong to his countrymen and to scare the ones nearby. Just look at the pictures and videos of him doing judo/hunting/lifting weights etc.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19743711#p19743711]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:TKM does make a good point,
Yes I'm exaggerating and this is a hypothetical question.
But what would happen if one of the leaders decided to flex there muscles, how would the UN and G8 step in? Plus, I know it isn't a nice topic, but when 9/11 happened look at the outcome of that. If terror attacks keep happening then surely it would be a matter of time before soldiers are sent to that region.
With what happened on Friday plus all the recent events, it just made me curious.
Does Putin just flex his muscles to keep his country happy?
If he flexed them too far, they'd lose all their funding from other countries and they'd be in trouble very quickly (It was funny how they were in the G8, yet were also receiving aid from the G8 like other countries such as Kenya). Russia is mostly rural, and the country relies on the major cities and ports for the entire income, but I think it would struggle to sustain itself.
Soldiers can't really be 'sent in' to that region, because 'that region' is so big and covers many countries. You can't really fight an ideology. The people you want dead can easily hide in crowds, in family homes, and then pull out guns when you have your back to them. They'll stand in crowds and blow the crowd up, just to draw your attention. It's an unfightable war, other than Putin and Hollande blowing the sh1t out of 'targets' and not really caring who is in the firing line. It may solve the problem for now, but in 20 years, where the innocent people currently being blown up have grown up, I think Russia and France may have problems.
Education is the key. You need to educate the current youngsters that what is happening is wrong, and why it is wrong, and how to have peace. The problem is that this will take decades to be effective, and it only ever takes one person to ruin a lifetimes work.It takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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Putin does it to make him look strong to his countrymen and to scare the ones nearby. Just look at the pictures and videos of him doing judo/hunting/lifting weights etc.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19743711#p19743711]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:TKM does make a good point,
Yes I'm exaggerating and this is a hypothetical question.
But what would happen if one of the leaders decided to flex there muscles, how would the UN and G8 step in? Plus, I know it isn't a nice topic, but when 9/11 happened look at the outcome of that. If terror attacks keep happening then surely it would be a matter of time before soldiers are sent to that region.
With what happened on Friday plus all the recent events, it just made me curious.
Does Putin just flex his muscles to keep his country happy?
If he flexed them too far, they'd lose all their funding from other countries and they'd be in trouble very quickly (It was funny how they were in the G8, yet were also receiving aid from the G8 like other countries such as Kenya). Russia is mostly rural, and the country relies on the major cities and ports for the entire income, but I think it would struggle to sustain itself.
Soldiers can't really be 'sent in' to that region, because 'that region' is so big and covers many countries. You can't really fight an ideology. The people you want dead can easily hide in crowds, in family homes, and then pull out guns when you have your back to them. They'll stand in crowds and blow the crowd up, just to draw your attention. It's an unfightable war, other than Putin and Hollande blowing the sh1t out of 'targets' and not really caring who is in the firing line. It may solve the problem for now, but in 20 years, where the innocent people currently being blown up have grown up, I think Russia and France may have problems.
Education is the key. You need to educate the current youngsters that what is happening is wrong, and why it is wrong, and how to have peace. The problem is that this will take decades to be effective, and it only ever takes one person to ruin a lifetimes work.
I agree, education is the key, and this should be fundamental. But said people would need to know the difference between right and wrong and to be able to make a judgemental decision.
Soldiers can and have been sent in to countries of dis resolve. It has happened and will continue to happen. Why would you say I am wishing people dead? I want the opposite. But it does not happen. Fact.
With regards to Putin, I think he could muster the strength to make the west think twice, and the people who he commands not bat an eye lid.
Think you have taken what I said out of context. I was mealy asking a hypothetical question not saying I want innocent people to suffer.0 -
TKM have you ever worked with people from Russia or Poland? They both have a mutual respect for each other. But they are also fiercely loyal to their country.
If I mentioned Tu-154 to my ex or any of my Polish friends, they blame the Russians straight away. And vice versa.
They will always be hostile to each other. And do not trust one another.
I was talking about the bigger picture that involves more than two countries.0 -
I think the OP is fretting too much. Yes there is considerable tension in a number of areas of the world.
Now, whilst major defence spending is good for the economies of many of the world's major powers (UK included), all out war certainly isn't. Economics will act to prevent.
Also the major agitants such as 'rogue states', IS and various other 'terrorist' organisations aren't looking for all out war as it simply doesn't fit with their M.O. 'Better' for them to inflict the atrocities of 9/11, London, Madrid, Paris, etc. Awful as they are, they are not WW3 (and I mean no dis-respect by that)
When I was growing up in the late 70s and early 80s there were regular 'public information films' on TV telling you how to build a nuclear shelter in your terraced house. As a teenager then, we used to talk of what we would do if the 3 minute warning, if such a thing exists, sounded (sh@g someone if you could being the general answer!). To me, the world seems 'safer' than that now.
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No, you've taken what I said out of context. I never said you want people dead or to suffer, I was referring to whoever sent soldiers in, ie USA. If you send soldiers in, you want someone dead quite frankly.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19743974#p19743974]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:
I agree, education is the key, and this should be fundamental. But said people would need to know the difference between right and wrong and to be able to make a judgemental decision.
Soldiers can and have been sent in to countries of dis resolve. It has happened and will continue to happen. Why would you say I am wishing people dead? I want the opposite. But it does not happen. Fact.
With regards to Putin, I think he could muster the strength to make the west think twice, and the people who he commands not bat an eye lid.
Think you have taken what I said out of context. I was mealy asking a hypothetical question not saying I want innocent people to suffer.
I have and yes, I know they are. That said, I work with French people too, and sometimes we have our own mini wars with each other. Yes it's in jest, but we're very loyal to our countries.Clockworkmark31 wrote:TKM have you ever worked with people from Russia or Poland? They both have a mutual respect for each other. But they are also fiercely loyal to their country.
They will always be hostile to each other. And do not trust one another.
Russia and Poland have a long history, and haven't got on for a long time. Recent unfoldings have definitely not helped any of this.It takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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Nuke the site from orbit... only way to be sure...0
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It might not be really humane.. but it would solve the issues to a large extent.. complete destruction of the countries it grows in..
Might cut the world population a bit too.0 -
When I was growing up in the late 70s and early 80s there were regular 'public information films' on TV telling you how to build a nuclear shelter in your terraced house.
Protect and survive ;-). I remember the leaflets at school - and some TV stuff. Ever see the film Threads?
I don't think we are close to a nuclear war, or even a threat of one. When a terrorist attack occurs, it seems to dent the very fabric of the country involved, and scares the many others who then show an outpouring of sympathy. Especially if it is a 1st world country - I think it resonates as is a little closer to home. If (France) had happened in some lesser known Asian or African country it would have probably been a small excerpt in the paper, a 30 second News 24 slot.0 -
No mention of the colosseum? your slipping.Nuke the site from orbit... only way to be sure...0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19743920#p19743920]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:42.
Well I would love to know what was before time, even if it is a paradox.
Everything comes from something. Big Bang materialised from something, and something materialised before that.
If we discount the theory that the Universe came into existence by the force of Chuck Norris's awesomeness, you're getting into the realm of some very mathematical reasoning to describe what's going on.
But to simplify . . .
Time and Space are aspects of the Universe, so there wasn't a "before" in the same way there's not a beginning of a line that hasn't been drawn yet.
The conditions immediately prior to the Big Bank were a "singularity", where everything is either infinite or zero. Without some mathematics that none of the cosmologists can agree on you can't figure out what is on the other side of one, so I'm afraid you're probably not going to find out. It might even not have involved Chuck Norris.Specialized Roubaix Elite 2015
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19743920#p19743920]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:42.
Well I would love to know what was before time, even if it is a paradox.
Everything comes from something. Big Bang materialised from something, and something materialised before that.
Time and Space are aspects of the Universe, so there wasn't a "before" in the same way there's not a beginning of a line that hasn't been drawn yet.
The conditions immediately prior to the Big Bank were a "singularity", where everything is either infinite or zero. Without some mathematics that none of the cosmologists can agree on you can't figure out what is on the other side of one, so I'm afraid you're probably not going to find out. It might even not have involved Chuck Norris.
Yes I am aware there wasn't a before as we use time as a measurement and we cannot measure before, so I believe it is a paradox.
But what the hell it's hard to get your head around this.
I salute you Chuck with your ninja skills.0 -
Nope not fretting over anything.
Just with all the recent things that have been happening, it does make you wonder. And I felt like a discussion about it.0 -
Quiet! He'll hear you!It might even not have involved Chuck Norris.It takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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Well, Turkey has shot down a Russian fighter jet in their airspace. I give it 24 hours before all out nuclear world war.Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350
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Well, Turkey has shot down a Russian fighter jet in their airspace. I give it 24 hours before all out nuclear world war.
It's well over 24 hours since they did that.Specialized Roubaix Elite 2015
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When I was growing up in the late 70s and early 80s there were regular 'public information films' on TV telling you how to build a nuclear shelter in your terraced house. As a teenager then, we used to talk of what we would do if the 3 minute warning, if such a thing exists, sounded (sh@g someone if you could being the general answer!). To me, the world seems 'safer' than that now.
Yep and weren't they terrifying. I think one of the film was 'Threads' set in Sheffield and the other one - The Day After(?).
If everything was flattened in this hypothetical WW3, would that mean Red Bull Rampage would be like some cycling event set in Lincolnshire?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Things are infinitely better these days - I remember recently discovering that teenagers have no idea what the phrase "four minute warning" refers to. Some of them think it refers to a sport, if anything. We spent most of the 80s convinced that WW3 was about to break out. And if the public at the time had known about such incidents as Able Archer 83 or Stanislav Petrov's snap judgement it would have overloaded the nation's sewage system.Specialized Roubaix Elite 2015
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No mention of the colosseum? your slipping.Nuke the site from orbit... only way to be sure...
Works well for crims and chavs... wiping out most of the middle easy requires a bit more work...0 -
No mention of the colosseum? your slipping.Nuke the site from orbit... only way to be sure...
Works well for crims and chavs... wiping out most of the middle east requires a bit more work...0 -
How Long before Putin snaps or flexes his muscles more.
Bombing of a Russian charter flight, shooting down of the SU-24, the other charter plane that was shot down in Russia plus the intervention in Ukraine.
Out of curiosity, the "news" are saying the latest event, the SU-24 was warned 10 times. I know commercial aircraft have to communicate in English, but is it the same for Military?0
