Caruso + for EPO
Retrospective test
Katusha at risk of missing Vuelta
http://www.uci.ch/pressreleases/uci-statement-giampaolo-caruso/
Katusha at risk of missing Vuelta
http://www.uci.ch/pressreleases/uci-statement-giampaolo-caruso/
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
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From INRNG on twitterWill Katusha be suspended though? The actual offence predates the UCI team suspension rule. Usually sentencing has to be in line with law at the time of the offence (so he'll probably only get two years not four as well)Note the new UCI rule on collective team suspension says clock starts on notification, not the date of the test0 -
Oh my. I liked that guy.
8th overall at this year's Giro and 9th overall at last year's Vuelta.
Quite amazing that they are testing 2012 samples for EPO. Why couldn't they test it at the time.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Retesting in light of new technology isn't it? Least that's what the footnote implies.0
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New tech means can detect now what they couldn't back in 2012. I'm sure plenty of riders are squirming at the news.Oh my. I liked that guy.
8th overall at this year's Giro and 9th overall at last year's Vuelta.
Quite amazing that they are testing 2012 samples for EPO. Why couldn't they test it at the time.0 -
New tech to detect epo or is this some new generation epo?Contador is the Greatest0
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New tech to detect epo or is this some new generation epo?
As per the press release.The sample had been stored and was reanalysed in light of new scientific developments (*).
(*) As per the World Anti-Doping Code and the UCI ADR, the UCI has established a Storage and Reanalysis Strategy. The strategy, implemented by the Cycling Anti-Doping Foundation (CADF), provides that samples from the leaders of the Grand Tours, UCI World Championships and general rankings of all cycling disciplines will be stored for potential retesting. Other samples, based on risk assessment carried out by the CADF, laboratory recommendations, Athlete Biological Passport data, new detection methods and scientific developments, will also be retained for retesting. The standard time of storage and further reanalysis under this strategy is up to 10 years.0 -
Wouldn't the "B" sample come into play before any potential team suspension can be enforced?
Surely, Katusha can pull a Vino on this one."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
And that applies to tests since the rule came in. You can't backdate legislation - it has to be applied as it would at the time of the offence.
From INRNG on twitterWill Katusha be suspended though? The actual offence predates the UCI team suspension rule. Usually sentencing has to be in line with law at the time of the offence (so he'll probably only get two years not four as well)Note the new UCI rule on collective team suspension says clock starts on notification, not the date of the testTwitter: @RichN950 -
And that applies to tests since the rule came in. You can't backdate legislation - it has to be applied as it would at the time of the offence.
From INRNG on twitterWill Katusha be suspended though? The actual offence predates the UCI team suspension rule. Usually sentencing has to be in line with law at the time of the offence (so he'll probably only get two years not four as well)Note the new UCI rule on collective team suspension says clock starts on notification, not the date of the test
But the test has only just been carried out (i know you mean the date the sample was given, i'm just playing devil's advocate)"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
Just checked Caruso's 'history'. Not the first time he has been popped. Nandrolone in 2003 and Puerto involvement in 2006.Contador is the Greatest0
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And that applies to tests since the rule came in. You can't backdate legislation - it has to be applied as it would at the time of the offence.
From INRNG on twitterWill Katusha be suspended though? The actual offence predates the UCI team suspension rule. Usually sentencing has to be in line with law at the time of the offence (so he'll probably only get two years not four as well)Note the new UCI rule on collective team suspension says clock starts on notification, not the date of the test
Not so clear cut if you look at the rule.
http://inrng.com/2015/08/taking-one-for-the-team/0 -
It's pretty clear cut to anyone who understands how legal systems work
Katusha can't be expected to alter the events of the past in response to new legislation.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Oh my. I liked that guy.
8th overall at this year's Giro and 9th overall at last year's Vuelta.
Wrong Caruso. Your google-fu is not strong.
Correct Caruso: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giampaolo_Caruso0 -
Oh my. I liked that guy.
8th overall at this year's Giro and 9th overall at last year's Vuelta.
Quite amazing that they are testing 2012 samples for EPO. Why couldn't they test it at the time.
That was Damiano Caruso, this is Giampaolo Caruso who's been done.
Edit: As Colin just told you. Should read the whole thread before responding.0 -
New tech to detect epo or is this some new generation epo?
New tech to test for EPO. This was a re-test of a previously tested sample. They didn't wait 3 years to test it for the first time.0 -
This is the second anti-doping rule violation from the Katusha team this year, after Luca Paolini was informed of a positive test for cocaine while at the Tour de France. The test was taken as part of an in-compeition control on July 7 (stage 4). He was ejected from the Tour and has been provisionally suspended.
Katusha is a member of the Mouvement pour un Cyclisme Crédible (MPCC), and in accordance with those rules must agree to self-suspend their team for eight days, should two riders test positive within a 12-month period (according to the control dates), however, Carouso's and Paolini's controls were taken more than three years a part, leaving this rule to be somewhat vague.
The UCI will make the final determination with regard to a team suspension, and according to their rules, if the team is 'notified' of two anti-doping rule violations (Adverse Analytical Findings for a Prohibited Method or Prohibited Substance) with in a 12-month period they could be suspended from any international event for a period determined by the UCI.
This is Caruso's second anti-doping offense. He testetested positive for Nandralone on January 25, 2003 and received a six-month suspension.
Caruso was due to start the Vuelta a España behind team leader Joaquim Rodriguez.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giampaolo-caruso-returns-positive-epo-test/0 -
Obviously didn't take enough EPO in 2012.
Has been his weakest year in terms of results with all of a 3rd place in Trofeo Melinda as a notable placement to show for it.0 -
Somewhere within the UCI, there's a doping investigator proclaiming:
"Bring me the urine of Roman Kreuziger!"
How much?
"ALL OF IT!"
Horner will be pulling his hair out with worry. As will many others.0 -
Somewhere within the UCI, there's a doping investigator proclaiming:
"Bring me the urine of Roman Kreuziger!"
How much?
"ALL OF IT!"
I like this vision ver' ver' much0 -
Somewhere within the UCI, there's a doping investigator proclaiming:
"Bring me the urine of Roman Kreuziger!"
How much?
"ALL OF IT!"
Horner will be pulling his hair out with worry. As will many others.
Uh....this Horner?
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Somewhere within the UCI, there's a doping investigator proclaiming:
"Bring me the urine of Roman Kreuziger!"
How much?
"ALL OF IT!"
Horner will be pulling his hair out with worry. As will many others.
Uh....this Horner?
That's the one. He's in for a hairy few weeks.0 -
I cant stand Piti but Horner is on his own in the Pantheon of riders who really truly do make my skin crawl0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682681#p19682681]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:I cant stand Piti but Horner is on his own in the Pantheon of riders who really truly do make my skin crawl
I'm with you on that.0 -
Obviously didn't take enough EPO in 2012.
Has been his weakest year in terms of results with all of a 3rd place in Trofeo Melinda as a notable placement to show for it.
37th in the Tour with 1 top-10 stage finish that year. Riding as a domestique. Suspect he was on EPO that year and when he didn't get busted and/or get good enough results, upped his game in later years to bigger and better gear. Some good Classics results in following years.0 -
Because I'm too lazy to look myself, does anyone have info on how UCI go about choosing which sample to retest? Are there data points which have been flagged as suspicious on the BP which they use as a starting point, do they just go random, or is there some other method?Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0
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Because I'm too lazy to look myself, does anyone have info on how UCI go about choosing which sample to retest? Are there data points which have been flagged as suspicious on the BP which they use as a starting point, do they just go random, or is there some other method?
Could also be tip-offs.
And lets face it in Caruso's case, he has previous.0 -
good new test for EPO if it's catching people. Anyone know the details of this test ? I thought the glow time for EPO was only about 4 hours and so you had to be really stupid to get caught with it.0
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good new test for EPO if it's catching people. Anyone know the details of this test ? I thought the glow time for EPO was only about 4 hours and so you had to be really stupid to get caught with it.
There have been ongoing improvements in detection, including sensitivity and in the duration of the detection period. Its improvement in sensitivity that seems to have caught out Caruso. The detection period is rather more than 4 hours - things have moved on from The Secret Race tales. The Cologne lab in particular is one of the labs at the forefront of progressing detection methods. WADA also funds research projects, which themselves can pay off in terms of improved detection methods.0
