The Dogma...
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Hi everyone - new on here and was looking for some information on the Dogma series.
There's supposed to be 8 generations of this monster and was hoping someone could tell me the chronological order they were introduced including dates. I cant find this anywhere .
Thank you for taking the time to read.
There's supposed to be 8 generations of this monster and was hoping someone could tell me the chronological order they were introduced including dates. I cant find this anywhere .
Thank you for taking the time to read.
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They are all over-priced for what they are and most are ridden by people I wouldn't want to ride with in a group. Shame you weren't at Ride London as there were several thousand to choose from.
That said, it's just a bike. If it makes you happy then don't let me stop you.English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg0 -
One second googling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinarello#Contemporary_road_models is that good enough?
As above +1 ...and also you called it 'this monster', it certainly looks ugly as sin and most people riding them outside of the professionals who are paid to do so fall into a category beginning with d.
The F8 is a massive improvement in the looks dept.0 -
One second googling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinarello#Contemporary_road_models is that good enough?
As above +1 ...and also you called it 'this monster', it certainly looks ugly as sin and most people riding them outside of the professionals who are paid to do so fall into a category beginning with d.
The F8 is a massive improvement in the looks dept.
The Wikipedia article misses the fact that the first use of the Dogma name was for a model with a magnesium frameset, which was sold as a top line model in parallel to the Prince.To err is human, but to make a real balls up takes a super computer.0 -
No - Im not in the market for one ; i have a Ribble which is a sheer pleasure to ride. I just wanted to understand what all the massive hype and fuss was about. Thanks for all your replies.0
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No - Im not in the market for one ; i have a Ribble which is a sheer pleasure to ride. I just wanted to understand what all the massive hype and fuss was about. Thanks for all your replies.
I think you've answered your own question. 'Hype' and 'fuss'.....0 -
No - Im not in the market for one ; i have a Ribble which is a sheer pleasure to ride. I just wanted to understand what all the massive hype and fuss was about. Thanks for all your replies.
Sky ride them, innit.0 -
Why do you need to know the data ? Overpriced, overhyped and great for Mamil Dentists.0
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No - Im not in the market for one ; i have a Ribble which is a sheer pleasure to ride. I just wanted to understand what all the massive hype and fuss was about. Thanks for all your replies.
It's the top model of the most successful manufacturer in the Tour de France since the 1950s, with 11 victories.To err is human, but to make a real balls up takes a super computer.0 -
No - Im not in the market for one ; i have a Ribble which is a sheer pleasure to ride. I just wanted to understand what all the massive hype and fuss was about. Thanks for all your replies.
It's the top model of the most successful manufacturer in the Tour de France since the 1950s, with 11 victories.
Does that include the wins taken by Pinarellos that were actually re-badged Pegorettis..??0 -
Blimey, what a bunch of snobby arseholes.
And no, I don't own a Dogma.0 -
No - Im not in the market for one ; i have a Ribble which is a sheer pleasure to ride. I just wanted to understand what all the massive hype and fuss was about. Thanks for all your replies.
It's the top model of the most successful manufacturer in the Tour de France since the 1950s, with 11 victories.
Does that include the wins taken by Pinarellos that were actually re-badged Pegorettis..??
You will find that Dario Pegoretti was not making frames under his own name in the days of Miguel Indurain, but would have been contracted by Pinarello to do so, so yes, I count those, as do Pinarello themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dario_PegorettiTo err is human, but to make a real balls up takes a super computer.0 -
And, no, I don't own a Dogma. I have an FP5, which is good enough for me.To err is human, but to make a real balls up takes a super computer.0
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No - Im not in the market for one ; i have a Ribble which is a sheer pleasure to ride. I just wanted to understand what all the massive hype and fuss was about. Thanks for all your replies.
It's the top model of the most successful manufacturer in the Tour de France since the 1950s, with 11 victories.
Does that include the wins taken by Pinarellos that were actually re-badged Pegorettis..??
You will find that Dario Pegoretti was not making frames under his own name in the days of Miguel Indurain, but would have been contracted by Pinarello to do so, so yes, I count those, as do Pinarello themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dario_Pegoretti
I know he was a contract builder back then - it makes no difference. So if someone ever won the tour on a PX Pro Carbon with a Pinarello sticker on it, that would also count as a Pinarello victory?0 -
I know he was a contract builder back then - it makes no difference. So if someone ever won the tour on a PX Pro Carbon with a Pinarello sticker on it, that would also count as a Pinarello victory?
Now you're being silly. Just sticking a label on something does not change the provenance. When a company contracts out work, there will be a design brief and a contract which stipulates intellectual property rights. Planet X, despite their good value for money, are not a patch on Pinarello, so they will never be contracted to create a Pinarello. And no, Chinarellos are not Pinarellos, despite what the label says.
I'll give you an analogy. There was an automotive company called Motor Panels. They did design work and manufacturing, but never produced anything under their own name. They were big suppliers to Rover, who wanted to revive the M.G. badge. As a first exercise, Motor Panels designed a successor to the M.G. GT, a limited production model called the M.G. RV8. The RV8 was built to body shell level at the Motor Panels Coventry works, and then transported to Longbridge for painting and final assembly. Exactly the same process was used for the MG T and the MG TF. Should they be called the 'Motor Panels T' and the 'Motor Panels TF'? No.To err is human, but to make a real balls up takes a super computer.0 -
Why does everyone hate the dogma and also dogma riders ?I may be slow going up but i will pass you going down !0
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Why does everyone hate the dogma and also dogma riders ?
No idea. They are clearly good bikes as they've won the TdF in 3 of the last 4 years.0 -
Actually the riders won the TdF, the bike was the tool they used to succeed but as we know had they been on Canyon/Trek/Cervelo etc they would still have wonM.Rushton0
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Why does everyone hate the dogma and also dogma riders ?
Because being the Sky bike, it is the obvious choice of many of the all the gear and no idea types that have taken up cycling recently.0 -
Why does everyone hate the dogma and also dogma riders ?
False premise; not everyone hates the Dogma or the riders thereof. As stated above, the Dogma maybe the purchase target of the 'more cash than clue' brigade, but I think that could be said of any halo bike, such as the Specialised Venge. When I was racing, I'd be scratching my head at those in 4th cat races who were riding a Pinarello Prince.
To my eye, they are beautifully designed and finished machines. If I had the money, one could be on my wish list. Until then, I'll probably hate all Dogma riders (except the pros), just down to pure jealousy.To err is human, but to make a real balls up takes a super computer.0 -
Bikes don't win tours.... Rappers do.One plays football, tennis or golf, one does not play at cycling0
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Why does everyone hate the dogma and also dogma riders ?
False premise; not everyone hates the Dogma or the riders thereof. As stated above, the Dogma maybe the purchase target of the 'more cash than clue' brigade, but I think that could be said of any halo bike, such as the Specialised Venge. When I was racing, I'd be scratching my head at those in 4th cat races who were riding a Pinarello Prince.
To my eye, they are beautifully designed and finished machines. If I had the money, one could be on my wish list. Until then, I'll probably hate all Dogma riders (except the pros), just down to pure jealousy.
To be fair, you definitely have a point here - the McLaren lines in their limitedly produced and exorbitantly priced glory are also up there. I don't find carbon road bikes that exciting myself (I tend to lust after 753, shiny chrome, Cinelli bars and Campag bits), but a Bolide wouldn't go amiss...0 -
I actually own a dogma and the only reason was that the frame set was such a good price it was hard to say no and couldn't understand why the owners and bikes get a bashing .
The dogma replaced a cube and the difference if noticeable , however I still love riding my steel genesis !
I'm not a mamil and not a dentist !I may be slow going up but i will pass you going down !0 -
Bikes don't win tours.... Rappers do.
From Bristol Zoo to B&Q0 -
How many of the haters on this thread have ridden one?
I understand the stigma, its fast becoming akin to what I feel to Passoni/Legend et al and perviously Serotta.0 -
It's just ok which for the outlay doesn't work for me. I commuted into Mcr recently with someone on a Cervelo S5, not a bike I've really noticed. But it seemed to just float along (I was on fixed) and you could see the aero features and just high level stuff about it. If I go to Cyclefit in Mcr, I can see an S5 or the new Madone, some gorgeous Passoni or Sevens and if you look at those then go and look at the F8 in the Pinarello shop I think you'd be dubious about buying the Dogma. It has the pedigree but if you want aero it isn't. If you want custom it isn't, if you want ultra mod, then compared to the Madone it isn't. However, if someone gave me a free one then I'd part-ex it and go for one of the others mentioned above (not the Madone - too much for me in terms of shapes).M.Rushton0
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Bikes don't win tours.... Rappers do.
From Bristol Zoo to B&Q
You have a clear lyrical talent, makes me wonder if you're indeed a tour winning rapper?!One plays football, tennis or golf, one does not play at cycling0 -
I have a ride London photo with me just in front of a one with the owner in full sky kit... I look very pro to be in his company0
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It's just ok which for the outlay doesn't work for me. I commuted into Mcr recently with someone on a Cervelo S5, not a bike I've really noticed. But it seemed to just float along (I was on fixed) and you could see the aero features and just high level stuff about it. If I go to Cyclefit in Mcr, I can see an S5 or the new Madone, some gorgeous Passoni or Sevens and if you look at those then go and look at the F8 in the Pinarello shop I think you'd be dubious about buying the Dogma. It has the pedigree but if you want aero it isn't. If you want custom it isn't, if you want ultra mod, then compared to the Madone it isn't. However, if someone gave me a free one then I'd part-ex it and go for one of the others mentioned above (not the Madone - too much for me in terms of shapes).
You'll have to be really going some speed on your commute to get any benefit from the aero features of the frame."The Prince of Wales is now the King of France" - Calton Kirby0 -
Actually just chaging to an 18t or 17t will ramp up the speed but that S5 just looked fast. The new Madone even more so but certainly not for 12 miles thro' Mcr and 50 sets of lightsM.Rushton0
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Why does everyone hate the dogma and also dogma riders ?
I think they are great but I've only seen one in the last 5 years. No idea about the riders.
I wouldn't buy second hand without being sure of the provenance, in fact I wouldnt' buy at all as I don't think I could make use of such a bike.
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