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First Campag groupset build. What more do I need.

benjo09benjo09 Posts: 6
edited August 2015 in Workshop
I'm upgrading my BTwin 500SE and am nearly there with a Campy 10 speed groupset but I need some advice on what else I need. So far I have:

Record Ultra Shift Shifters
Record Titanium Front Derailleur
Veloce Medium Rear Derailleur
Centaur Carbon Compact Chainset
Campagnolo Cable Set
KMC Chain
Planet X Forged Brakes

I'm going to buy a Centaur 12-30 Cassette this week. I also assume I'll need a new Campag wheelset. What about the bottom bracket though? I've seen 2 types for Campag, cups and this type http://www.wiggle.co.uk/campagnolo-centaur-tapered-bottom-bracket/. Which will I need or is it both? Finally are there any specialist tools I may need? I have a full tool box from my day job and will be picking up a torque wrench.

Thanks for any help.

Ben

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  • 964cup964cup Posts: 1,362
    You'll need torx wrenches or bits. What you need for the BB depends; there are four Campag standards:

    Square taper - in which the axle is part of the BB and the cranks will have square holes in the ends.
    Power torque - in which the bearings go one on the driveside and one in the NDS cup, and the axle is part of the driveside crank. The crank will have Power-Torque written on it.
    Ultra-torque - in which the axle is split in the middle, with a bolt to join it.
    Comp - which is a 30mm axle otherwise much like Ultra-torque but for press-fit only. You won't have this as it wasn't made for Centaur.

    For square taper you'll need a crank puller for future removal - Park CCP-22 or CWP-7 - and a chunky 8mm allen for crank installation. You'll also need the right tool for installing the BB in the first place. Park BBT-4 (same as the cassette tool) for Record, BBT-5 for Centaur. There are others, depending on BB manufacturer.

    For Ultra-torque you need a special allen key (or a very long allen key bit) to reach the joining bolt. You will also need a bearing puller if you ever need to change the driveside bearing. Park Tool CBP-3.

    For Power Torque you need the bearing puller *and* a special Power Torque adapter both for removing the bearing but also for removing the NDS crank. Park CBP-3 and CBP-5.

    Assuming your bike uses external cups, you'll need the right cups (English or Italian thread); DON'T buy the Super Record cups as they're not compatible with anything other than Super-Record bearings. You'll also need a cup spanner - Park BBT-9 or similar.
  • keezxkeezx Posts: 1,319
    Centaur Carbon Compact will be Power Torque.
  • g00seg00se Posts: 2,221
    You said Record Ultra Shift levers? I thought the new shape ultrashift levers were only ever 11 speed for Record? Or do you mean the oldler shape 10 speed Record levers?

    With the chainset, the BB will depend on if they're new (powertorque); 2009/2010 (ultratorque) or earlier (possibly square taper).

    Some photos' will help.
  • benjo09benjo09 Posts: 6
    Thanks for the help so far. Do I need the Park CBP-3 and CBP-5 for installation or is that for maintenance?

    Here are the shifters I have

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  • Sirius631Sirius631 Posts: 991
    Thanks for the help so far. Do I need the Park CBP-3 and CBP-5 for installation or is that for maintenance?

    Here are the shifters I have

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    Those are the correct levers. Ultrashift levers were produced before 11-speed was introduced.

    I wonder about the front derailleur, though. They used to make front mechs specifically for compact chainsets, that had a tighter radius to match the smaller outer chainring. I see that Ribble are no longer titling any front mechs as being compact, but there was one which said about its suitability for use with compacts in the detail. I may have heard that compact specific mechs were dropped, but I can't say for sure.
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  • 964cup964cup Posts: 1,362
    Thanks for the help so far. Do I need the Park CBP-3 and CBP-5 for installation or is that for maintenance?
    You need them for maintenance (to change the driveside bearing) and for removal of a PowerTorque chainset. You need the special Ultratorque allen key (or a long 8mm IIRC allen key to go on your torque wrench) to install an Ultratorque chainset (although yours is almost certainly PowerTorque).

    You will need a hefty torque wrench, one that goes up to 45NM or thereabouts.
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