MTB pedals + shoes on road bike?
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OP, some people like to get cross on the Internet. I have no idea why. In defence of this unusual behaviour, it can be said that it is less disruptive than a fight in a pub, but perhaps slightly more annoying.
As stated many times already, you'll be fine using MTB shoes and pedals on a road bike.
Many people do. Bicycles are for riding and enjoying.
As soon as a contributor to a thread starts getting geeky about which make and model of which type of shoe he (always he) considers the best, you can be pretty sure you are reading the words of one for whom cycling is not the unadulterated joy it might be.
Let them squabble. Use the pedals you want to use. I am right. End of thread.0 -
In Phil Burt's book
Bike Fit: Optimise Your Bike Position for High Performance and Injury Avoidance
There is a bit about pedalling:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wMgEBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=Barrat,+Martin+and+Bohm+and+Williams&source=bl&ots=fFTEIt2wp4&sig=lz0ZApkl29DWIX0VLujvRGI8V-Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAGoVChMI26W9_p_5xgIVZirbCh2GdQCI#v=onepage&q=Barrat%2C%20Martin%20and%20Bohm%20and%20Williams&f=false0 -
Well I certainly opened a can of worms didn't I !0
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I hope that you have been too busy cycling with your spds to have noticed.Well I certainly opened a can of worms didn't I !The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Just to add my tuppence worth on topic: I use SPDs and mountain bike shoes on my training bike, It helps with walking when I use it for popping to the supermarket. Otherwise, I use Look Keos.To err is human, but to make a real balls up takes a super computer.0
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The position of your foot relative to the pedal axle is identical with spd or road pedals. My shimano road shoes have holes for both and I have used them on spd and spd-sl pedals and they feel the same as the sole is so stiff you can't feel whats under it. If we are comparing like with like I think you'll find high end mtb shoes are basically road shoes with a tread attached. Some of them like Bont are road shoes with a tread.
Tosh. All of my shoes are carbon soles so guessing fairly stiff.
Riding around on eggbeaters today I am pretty sure I could feel where and how I was connected to the bike.
Feel of the connection was different too
To basically be saying that all pedals and cleats are the same. No matter how many fixings secure them, over what area, and where the engagement point is does not add up to me.
Things that are different, feel and act different IME.
Three (or four) fixing points spread wider apart are better then two right next to each other.
Having the tread (which is not needed for road cycling unless you want to walk around easily a lot) compromises a better connection.
I will put one pedal on each side soon to do a proper comparrison ;-)0 -
I will put one pedal on each side soon to do a proper comparrison ;-)
This is how I've always set my bicycle up. Is there another way?0 -
If Speedplay are right that their pedals give a 25% larger pedalling platform than Look types, it seems unthinkable that the old design should even be in production, let alone used by top cyclists, don't you think? The engagement is better, clipping in and out is better and they are much more adjustable; endorsed by bike fitting professionals... Road pedals give a much better connection than ... other road pedals.0
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I am currently on my first road bike (Caad 8) and I have been using Shimano mtb pedals for two years. Extremely easy to clip in and out of, can clip in both sides and doesn't cause discomfort to feet which i suppose might be down to quality of shoes. Plus you can walk around normally.At this moment in time i cannot see the advantage of road pedals. That being said i have never personally used road bike pedals, and i am getting my second bike this month, my first carbon frame. I have decided to get some road bike pedalsand see for myself if there is any noticeable difference but i really do doubt it.
I have two sets of friends when it comes to cycling...The serious group with the full gear and road bike pedals, and the relaxed group who dont bother using road bike gear and clip in pedals. Using mtb pedals on my aluminium frame has not hindered me at all when riding with the serious group. In fact i am one of the quickest in the group.I suppose what i am saying is that FITNESS is more important then any frame or pedal you will use.
My relxed group of friends who like cycling but are not majorly into it.( They dont use clip in system.) Sometimes we like to ride to events and then get out and walk around. In that case the mtb pedal is ideal.
Pros and cons on both sides.0 -
While those two continue their petty argument, :roll: let's get back on topic:
MTB pedals + shoes on road bike? Why not.
Indeed, as I've said before I did it for about two years and it was only because I "needed" a birthday present that I changed to road shoes.
So, after running them for about two months have I noticed anything?
Yes, my feet feel lighter and a bit more connected to the pedals because as a Mountain bike rider I prefere a looser cleat for those emergency foot dabs.
Feet are cooler in the heat (I'm yet to test this on more than one ride though
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My average speed on the same loop has dropped, so does this mean MTB is more effecient? Who knows as the differing variables between rides haven't been recorded.
With road shoes and pedals https://www.strava.com/activities/351385679 (avg 25.4 km/h)
With MTB shoes and pedals https://www.strava.com/activities/325807094 (avg 25.7km/h)
I suggest those arguing the subject get off the internet and do some testing, at least that way we will have less pathetic wittering about the place.Advocate of disc brakes.0 -
Why measuring speed in km/h?0
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Why measuring speed in km/h?
Because imperial measuring fell off the edge of the world in the dark ages.Advocate of disc brakes.0 -
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So, after running them for about two months have I noticed anything?
Yes, my feet feel lighter and a bit more connected to the pedals because as a Mountain bike rider I prefere a looser cleat for those emergency foot dabs.
Feet are cooler in the heat (I'm yet to test this on more than one ride though )
Yes that's why I prefer road shoes and pedals - my foot feels more connected to the pedal - I reckon it might help slightly in sprinting and stuff but I don't like road cleats with a lot of float for the same reason yet people seem to sprint fine on stuff that does have float so it's probably more of a case of feeling better to me than an actual performance difference.
As for the pedal stroke/wattbike stuff - it's amazing the amount of riders who do think wattbike is offering far more in terms of assessing pressure throughout the pedal stroke than it actually is.
I do think there *may* be gains to be made if a proper assessment of pedalling could be made but it'd require a lot more in terms of strain gauges/pressure plates - I say may because I haven't seen enough research done on the topic for anyone to provide definitive answer. The research I have seen though backs up the argument that pros do not pedal in circles any more than amateurs - I seem to remember something about getting the power on early over the top of the pedal stroke was something good riders tended to do more than less good but I can't remember the source for that so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't know if modern crank and pedal based power meters might provide the tools to research that.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
The source could have been Graeme Obree's book.
If ever there was a person who has studied cycling, rather than lab tests, then it is Graeme.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I like Obree and he's brilliant, but I can't help but be a bit sceptical of some of his crackpot theories; like his special breathing system, for example.0
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I must admit that it is not a technique that I have tried, far less use on the bike.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19673326#p19673326]Simon Masterson[/url] wrote:I like Obree and he's brilliant, but I can't help but be a bit sceptical of some of his crackpot theories; like his special breathing system, for example.
On the other hand, I don't doubt it would work as it was a technique that I had already developed myself when suffering an asthma attack.
Maybe I should give it a go on the bike after all.......The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/09/news/book-excerpt-the-biomechanics-of-pedaling-from-andy-pruitts-complete-medical-guide-for-cyclists_137556
http://www.bicycling.com/training/fitness/perfect-pedal-stroke
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/fitness/training/power-symmetry-128109
https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/pedalling-technique-what-is-best/
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I noted, earlier in the thread, that I've changed back. Since then I've changed from Empire shoes to Rapha GT ones.
I perceive that I have more power and feel more comfortable. I have no evidence that either of these things are the case.
Shoe fit is probably more important than the interface.My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
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Ive just changed over to SPD and bought some Giro Privateer mtb shoes. They look pretty good and the price was fair.
For the summer and longer rides I probably prefer using SL's but as others have said on daily commute I do get fed up of sometimes slipping upon connection as the pedals flipped a bit.
Never used SPD, but other uses swear by it and it only takes a few minutes to switch pedals should I wish. Shimano do a wide fit and I found these better than going a full size up. I have R170's but the straps can fall apart after a few years of use. Ive luckily restitched these with some fishing wire so will last a little longer.
Hope this helps
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As the OP, I've just gone and got a pair of Giro Clipless road shoes and clipless road pedals.
I found the MTB shoes a little heavy and cumbersome - the road shoes are much lighter and more adjustable - and I was getting hotspots on my feet as the MTB pedals had a very small surface area.
Will it make any difference? I don't know as haven't been out yet with the bike yet but after fitting the clips and trying the fit on the pedals, theres much more float and movement.0
