Calling helmet deniers: Geraint alive and well
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Despite whacking the side of his head off a telegraph pole, he rode on just fine.
http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/watch-again-geraint-thomas-crashes-into-telegraph-pole
Try that without a helmet, especially the fragile temple area, makes your eyes water at the thought of it. Concussion? Brain damage? Death?
None of the above, according to the helmet denying crew, bike helmets are useless.
They'll tell us he just glanced it very, very gently, just like grazing a marshmallow, and a helmet would have made no difference, ha ha!
http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/watch-again-geraint-thomas-crashes-into-telegraph-pole
Try that without a helmet, especially the fragile temple area, makes your eyes water at the thought of it. Concussion? Brain damage? Death?
None of the above, according to the helmet denying crew, bike helmets are useless.
They'll tell us he just glanced it very, very gently, just like grazing a marshmallow, and a helmet would have made no difference, ha ha!
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i expected either a coma or a wheelchair as the outcome.
Watching was a sobering experience.0 -
They'll tell us he just glanced it very, very gently, just like grazing a marshmallow, and a helmet would have made no difference, ha ha!
Is that not what happened?0 -
Despite whacking the side of his head off a telegraph pole, he rode on just fine.
http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/watch-again-geraint-thomas-crashes-into-telegraph-pole
Try that without a helmet, especially the fragile temple area, makes your eyes water at the thought of it. Concussion? Brain damage? Death?
None of the above, according to the helmet denying crew, bike helmets are useless.
They'll tell us he just glanced it very, very gently, just like grazing a marshmallow, and a helmet would have made no difference, ha ha!
Wow.0 -
Well done for trying to prove a point.Despite whacking the side of his head off a telegraph pole, he rode on just fine.
http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/watch-again-geraint-thomas-crashes-into-telegraph-pole
Try that without a helmet, especially the fragile temple area, makes your eyes water at the thought of it. Concussion? Brain damage? Death?
None of the above, according to the helmet denying crew, bike helmets are useless.
They'll tell us he just glanced it very, very gently, just like grazing a marshmallow, and a helmet would have made no difference, ha ha!
Did anyone actually use the phrase in red?
No.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Not sure anyone would race without a helmet so whats your point?
Anyway, 5 pages......I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles0 -
Must be on drugs to survive that.0
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Disgraceful that Barguil didnt stop to check he was OK.0
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I will remember this post and the OP's timely reminder the next time I am hurtling down an alpine pass in a stage of the Tour de France without my helmet0
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But the helmet made his head bigger, without it his head wouldn't have touched the telegraph pole. ;-)0
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Because he came off the bike at a 60deg angle, centrifugal force threw his head further out that it would have went helmetless, ensuring it hit the post that it otherwise would have missed.
Helmets kill ,, remember that children.Trek,,,, too cool for school ,, apparently0 -
Was he given a new helmet to finish the stage? Couldn't spot any damage to one he was wearing during his interview... But to only lose 40 sec or so after that crash - legend...Job: Job, n,. A frustratingly long period of time separating two shorter than usual training rides0
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You ride slower without a helmet as your perception of risk increases which is a circular argument as it means your subconscious theorises that a helmet provides a level of safety that your conscious thought process denies.
Which really says more about you as an individual who could be sat alone in a room and still have an argument with yourself.......“Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”
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Well done for trying to prove a point.
None of the above, according to the helmet denying crew, bike helmets are useless.
They'll tell us he just glanced it very, very gently, just like grazing a marshmallow, and a helmet would have made no difference, ha ha!
Did anyone actually use the phrase in red?
No.
Yes, they actually did.
It was in the title of a thread you recently contributed to, but I was paraphrasing the general message of the helmet deniers.
The funny thing is that people like me are often seen as trying to force someone to wear a helmet, but we're not, we're merely pointing out the obvious, which is that wearing a helmet can save you from serious injury or death, whether you're a pro like Thomas, or not, because believe it or not amateurs have accidents too.0 -
I will remember this post and the OP's timely reminder the next time I am hurtling down an alpine pass in a stage of the Tour de France without my helmet[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19658348#p19658348]SloppySchleckonds[/url] wrote:Not sure anyone would race without a helmet so whats your point?
Aah, yes, the old "only racing cyclists have accidents" argument. Very convincing, lol.0 -
And yet for 100 years riders rode without helmets in some of the toughest races in the worst conditions and survived. Casartelli and Kivlev died but otherwise lots of others didn't. Wouter Weylandts died in 2011 getting smashed against a wall. Wearing a helmet can save your life but then again not riding a bike means you won't get killed but then you could be in a car and get stabbed/shunted - it's just luck of the draw.M.Rushton0
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It was used in a light hearted thread title but not in the text, or the linked article.
Well done for trying to prove a point.
None of the above, according to the helmet denying crew, bike helmets are useless.
They'll tell us he just glanced it very, very gently, just like grazing a marshmallow, and a helmet would have made no difference, ha ha!
Did anyone actually use the phrase in red?
No.
Yes, they actually did.
It was in the title of a thread you recently contributed to, but I was paraphrasing the general message of the helmet deniers.
The funny thing is that people like me are often seen as trying to force someone to wear a helmet, but we're not, we're merely pointing out the obvious, which is that wearing a helmet can save you from serious injury or death, whether you're a pro like Thomas, or not, because believe it or not amateurs have accidents too.
Please do carry on for another 6 pages........The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
.... - it's just luck of the draw.
You've missed the point.
The OP is suggesting that you can influence the odds on the luck of the draw.
It's called risk assessment and mitigation.
Geees! :roll:0 -
I will remember this post and the OP's timely reminder the next time I am hurtling down an alpine pass in a stage of the Tour de France without my helmet[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19658348#p19658348]SloppySchleckonds[/url] wrote:Not sure anyone would race without a helmet so whats your point?
Aah, yes, the old "only racing cyclists have accidents" argument. Very convincing, lol.
It would be too bleedin' obvious to post up some Dutch cycling images right now.
Either way going to vote on 4 pages.0 -
Someone falls off bike while wearing helmet - and survives.
Ergo - pro-helmet lobby has been correct all along.0 -
Someone falls off bike while wearing helmet - and survives.
Ergo - pro-helmet lobby has been correct all along.
Indeed.0 -
Saw the Geraint crash last night and couldn't help but think about my friend who crashed less than 2 weeks ago during a race, suffered a brain haemorrhage and spinal injury and is now facing over 12 months of neuro rehabilitation when he wakes from his current condition of a medically induced coma. Thankfully G was not as seriously injured but my friend was and is now paying an enormous price.
Each crash is different, but doctors have told the family that if he hadn't been wearing a helmet they are in no doubt he would not be here now. To all those who say that a helmet does not make a difference good luck to you - may I suggest you ensure your family are aware of the stupidity of your decision so that they understand the selfishness of your choice when they are left having to pick up the pieces.0 -
I'm sorry to hear about your friend but please re-read the thread. I don't see anyone advocating not wearing a helmet when racing.0
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Doesn't matter if racing or not you are taking part in a sport at whatever level which has serious potential consequences. We all know that often injuries can be worse in slow speed incidents and/or in non race situations.
Title of thread is "calling all helmet deniers". Denying a benefit is not worth a risk. As stated earlier, risk assessment is the issue. Ask your loved ones what their preference is.0 -
You are aware that crossing the road carries risks?Doesn't matter if racing or not you are taking part in a sport at whatever level which has serious potential consequences. We all know that often injuries can be worse in slow speed incidents and/or in non race situations.
Title of thread is "calling all helmet deniers". Denying a benefit is not worth a risk. As stated earlier, risk assessment is the issue. Ask your loved ones what their preference is.
Having a shower carries risks?
Living carries risks?
Carry on preaching to the converted
I'll live my life the way I please. Statistically, the odds are much, much higher that I will die from cancer. I am not going to worry about that, I won't worry about not wearing a helmet and I won't worry about other people's opinions.
6 pages.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Doesn't matter if racing or not you are taking part in a sport at whatever level which has serious potential consequences. We all know that often injuries can be worse in slow speed incidents and/or in non race situations.
Title of thread is "calling all helmet deniers". Denying a benefit is not worth a risk. As stated earlier, risk assessment is the issue. Ask your loved ones what their preference is.
Mine would probably prefer I didn't commute, by bike, 40 miles a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year (excluding days off, of course).
I don't think I've had a conversation with them about just how potentially dangerous it is. I wear a helmet, of course
, but, is my choice to cycle selfish? My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
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Doesn't matter if racing or not you are taking part in a sport at whatever level which has serious potential consequences. We all know that often injuries can be worse in slow speed incidents and/or in non race situations.
Title of thread is "calling all helmet deniers". Denying a benefit is not worth a risk. As stated earlier, risk assessment is the issue. Ask your loved ones what their preference is.
Mine would probably prefer I didn't commute, by bike, 40 miles a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year (excluding days off, of course).
I don't think I've had a conversation with them about just how potentially dangerous it is. I wear a helmet, of course, but, is my choice to cycle selfish?
This, in September I'll be back in Wales looking after my folks place in the Breacon Beacons, I'm looking forward to takeing the MTB over some big hills.
I had a head injury with two subdural hemotomas, and the brain injury that entails, doing the mundane rather than high speed crash, of which I've had a few! I have had a "good recovery" but I'm not what I was.
Does my wife worry? Yes! But life isn't with out risks.
One of the striking things about meeting other folks with traumatic brain injurys is that while do get few high speed etc, plenty are slips/falls and so on.
As ever you learn new and wounderful ways to get harmed!0 -
Doesn't matter if racing or not you are taking part in a sport at whatever level which has serious potential consequences. We all know that often injuries can be worse in slow speed incidents and/or in non race situations.
Riding to the corner shops, getting a Boris bike etc.?
http://tinyurl.com/p5q6scr
Each to their own.0 -
This is a fun argument to wheel out every few years. I ride sans casque, but sometimes wear one when pressured by my offspring , when planning a fast descent or when doing a club TT or similar. I usually forget I have it on, but still prefer a casquette in warm weather and a woolly hat in cold.
Thomas had a real humdinger of a dismount yesterday. It was Maximum Ouch and he was lucky he wasn't hurt too badly.
Clearly the UCI helmet regulations (introduced '03?) have made a huge difference. Thingds are much safer now that they were. This is borne out by statistics.
Prior to 2003, riders were dying on the mountain descents at a rate of thirteen per GT. Three GTs a year makes 36 fatalities. If we add to that figure the serious arm and leg injuries resulting from the non-wearing of a helmet, we are quickly into the high hundreds. It doesn't take too much brainwork and extrapolation to suggest that the UCI helmet rules have saved thousands of lives since 2003.
One might argue that the TdF is 'less dangerous' than the other two GTs. Nonetheless... contrary to the absurd nonsense I wrote above, deaths on the TdF have been few, bearing in mind the risks taken. I recall reading of Casartelli in '95 (I was a long way from a TV or a radio at the time). My memory is not all it might be, but have there been others since (TdF)? I know the Giro is more of a killer.
And riders continue to die even in hats. I am on the fence in this discussion, but I have not seen a remarkable change in injury statistics since the rule change in 2003. Happy to be proved wrong on this... I don't wear a helmet and am more afraid of spousal disapproval than attacks from the Internet.0 -
Descents? Why pick just descents. Although it's a lesser figure, about 5-6 were dying on ascents as well per GT. In fact, in one anomalous year, -7 riders completed one of the Grand Tours due to dying.My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
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Facebook? No. Just say no.0 -
Doesn't matter if racing or not you are taking part in a sport at whatever level which has serious potential consequences. We all know that often injuries can be worse in slow speed incidents and/or in non race situations.
Riding to the corner shops, getting a Boris bike etc.?
http://tinyurl.com/p5q6scr
Each to their own.
Most Boris Bike people probably don't wear helmets because they've seen the mess Boris's hair is in after he takes one off. Oh, erm...Job: Job, n,. A frustratingly long period of time separating two shorter than usual training rides0
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